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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
If the Downfall/"Hitler finds out..." meme has taught me anything, it's that Hitler is comically inept. So, probably stupid.
Plus... I mean, what sort of moron opens up a second front in a war when he doesn't have to? Didn't he learn anything from Napoleon?
If the Downfall/"Hitler finds out..." meme has taught me anything, it's that Hitler is comically inept. So, probably stupid.
Plus... I mean, what sort of moron opens up a second front in a war when he doesn't have to? Didn't he learn anything from Napoleon?
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Is it in the best interest of the IRS staff? The VP of Buggy Whips would put up a pretty strong case for why their division must still exist. Have to believe there are plenty of people in DC that wouldn't want to see federal depts start getting cut by 75%.
I don't think anybody but tax lawyers will argue against simplicity.
Is it in the best interest of the IRS staff? The VP of Buggy Whips would put up a pretty strong case for why their division must still exist. Have to believe there are plenty of people in DC that wouldn't want to see federal depts start getting cut by 75%.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Well, if the conservatives are right, none of those people would have trouble finding another job when the economy magically expands after federal jobs are cut. DC's by far the most educated workforce in the country. So by all means, fire everybody -- then meet your new boss.
Well, if the conservatives are right, none of those people would have trouble finding another job when the economy magically expands after federal jobs are cut. DC's by far the most educated workforce in the country. So by all means, fire everybody -- then meet your new boss.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
No worries. The federal govt seems to be the only business that's in full-bore hiring mode right now.
No worries. The federal govt seems to be the only business that's in full-bore hiring mode right now.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
If they're so smart they shouldn't have a problem finding a new job. Might have a hard time getting used to actually working but..
Well, if the conservatives are right, none of those people would have trouble finding another job when the economy magically expands after federal jobs are cut. DC's by far the most educated workforce in the country. So by all means, fire everybody -- then meet your new boss.
If they're so smart they shouldn't have a problem finding a new job. Might have a hard time getting used to actually working but..
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Just like Coulters comments about just how much 9/11 widows enjoyed their husbands deaths at WTC, I'd have to see the law that was broken before I'd advocate jail time.
Just like Coulters comments about just how much 9/11 widows enjoyed their husbands deaths at WTC, I'd have to see the law that was broken before I'd advocate jail time.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
One of the great myths (which to be fair I bought before I moved to the area and actually learned something about it from observation). A lot of their work is wasted by the inefficiency of the bureaucracy, but they work hard. They are to your local DMV what the CATO Institute is to the Tea Party.
I'd much rather have 12 randomly-chosen federal bureaucrats working for me than 12 randomly-chosen private citizen C-SPAN callers.
One of the great myths (which to be fair I bought before I moved to the area and actually learned something about it from observation). A lot of their work is wasted by the inefficiency of the bureaucracy, but they work hard. They are to your local DMV what the CATO Institute is to the Tea Party.
I'd much rather have 12 randomly-chosen federal bureaucrats working for me than 12 randomly-chosen private citizen C-SPAN callers.
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Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
There is inefficiency in the private and public sector, but there is little doubt that the majority of all of us work hard at our jobs. The reason it is so easy to scrutinize the government workers is because there is no competition and the government has unnecessary overlap all over the place. There are reports that my company has to submit to the government in a timely manner (timing is typically less than a month after getting final data). The government entity takes its time reviewing and commenting (sometimes as long as 4 to 6 months) and then they require my company to review the comments, make the changes and resubmit the final report within 2 weeks.One of the great myths (which to be fair I bought before I moved to the area and actually learned something about it from observation). A lot of their work is wasted by the inefficiency of the bureaucracy, but they work hard. They are to your local DMV what the CATO Institute is to the Tea Party.
I'd much rather have 12 randomly-chosen federal bureaucrats working for me than 12 randomly-chosen private citizen C-SPAN callers.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Speaking of... CATO has a paper out on cutting off the empire before it bankrupts us.
Speaking of... CATO has a paper out on cutting off the empire before it bankrupts us.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
not f ing likely, my job requires that results are produced...therefore, nobody in DC has the relevant experience to be my boss.
Take the smartest person in the world, put them in an environment where nobody works hard, poor performance is rewarded to the same degree as top performance, benefits and pension are guaranteed as long as they put in their time, nobody ever gets fired and pay them 140% of what they'd earn in a real job and they won't want to work in the private sector, not that they could.
Well, if the conservatives are right, none of those people would have trouble finding another job when the economy magically expands after federal jobs are cut. DC's by far the most educated workforce in the country. So by all means, fire everybody -- then meet your new boss.
not f ing likely, my job requires that results are produced...therefore, nobody in DC has the relevant experience to be my boss.
Take the smartest person in the world, put them in an environment where nobody works hard, poor performance is rewarded to the same degree as top performance, benefits and pension are guaranteed as long as they put in their time, nobody ever gets fired and pay them 140% of what they'd earn in a real job and they won't want to work in the private sector, not that they could.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Mostly myths, although the bolded charge is in my experience a problem, but not in the way you think. The 25% elite performers do 75% of the work -- same as in the private sector -- but they are not rewarded commensurately. That plus low salaries relative to education drives elite performers out into the private sector because they can't push up higher into the government faster (or start a competitor ). Beginning with Reagan the feds recognized this and started special efforts to recruit and retain the best people, but the fundamental problem of logjam is unsolvable.
In my business, people move between the government and the private sector all the time with no problem with skills, experience, drive -- the main attraction of the feds is stability; of the private sector, salary. That's why there are so many mixed couples -- people in DC hedge their bets by covering both bases. The selection of which spouse goes into which side is arbitrary.
The huge frustration of working with the government is one noted by a poster below -- they hold contractors to deadlines which they themselves miss. Basically, they are an enormous, unwieldy client who can roll over and accidentally crush you in their sleep.
Mostly myths, although the bolded charge is in my experience a problem, but not in the way you think. The 25% elite performers do 75% of the work -- same as in the private sector -- but they are not rewarded commensurately. That plus low salaries relative to education drives elite performers out into the private sector because they can't push up higher into the government faster (or start a competitor
). Beginning with Reagan the feds recognized this and started special efforts to recruit and retain the best people, but the fundamental problem of logjam is unsolvable.In my business, people move between the government and the private sector all the time with no problem with skills, experience, drive -- the main attraction of the feds is stability; of the private sector, salary. That's why there are so many mixed couples -- people in DC hedge their bets by covering both bases. The selection of which spouse goes into which side is arbitrary.
The huge frustration of working with the government is one noted by a poster below -- they hold contractors to deadlines which they themselves miss. Basically, they are an enormous, unwieldy client who can roll over and accidentally crush you in their sleep.
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Don't assume you are the only one that knows people in DC...I've worked closely enough to have plenty of personal experience, and for an inside view, my sister-in-law was a senior level person in one of the top agencies down there...I could tell stories for hours that would make a working person want to grab their pitchfork. Little stuff, big stuff, stuff that would make people say "you must be kidding"...I think it was 8 years, so I'm not talking about one or two observations.
As Michael Penn would say...it's no myth.
Don't assume you are the only one that knows people in DC...I've worked closely enough to have plenty of personal experience, and for an inside view, my sister-in-law was a senior level person in one of the top agencies down there...I could tell stories for hours that would make a working person want to grab their pitchfork. Little stuff, big stuff, stuff that would make people say "you must be kidding"...I think it was 8 years, so I'm not talking about one or two observations.
As Michael Penn would say...it's no myth.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that the oft-repeated narrative you're once more repeating is, in my experience, inaccurate in some major details (though to be fair accurate in others).
I think that what happens is if you tell a story about, say, somebody at Bank of America being an idiot, people think, "wow, that guy's an idiot," whereas if you tell a story about somebody at the FBI being an idiot, people think, "wow, government workers are idiots."
To put it another way, if I made a list of all the things I would change about government work, the quality* and dedication of the personnel wouldn't even make the first page.
(* except the political appointees. They're complete morons. )
I'm not assuming anything. I'm saying that the oft-repeated narrative you're once more repeating is, in my experience, inaccurate in some major details (though to be fair accurate in others).
I think that what happens is if you tell a story about, say, somebody at Bank of America being an idiot, people think, "wow, that guy's an idiot," whereas if you tell a story about somebody at the FBI being an idiot, people think, "wow, government workers are idiots."
To put it another way, if I made a list of all the things I would change about government work, the quality* and dedication of the personnel wouldn't even make the first page.
(* except the political appointees. They're complete morons. )
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
And even group to group. It's all a mixed bag, contrary to the cliche criticisms of each. There are hard working people in government, smart people in the private sector, practical people in academia. It happens.
And even group to group. It's all a mixed bag, contrary to the cliche criticisms of each. There are hard working people in government, smart people in the private sector, practical people in academia. It happens.
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Since Congress decided not to declare war on North Vietnam, then Ms. Fonda was not guilty of treason in the legal sense. In the moral sense, she's guilty as hell.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Treason would work, but that is defined as "aiding and abetting an enemy in a time of war."
Since Congress decided not to declare war on North Vietnam, then Ms. Fonda was not guilty of treason in the legal sense. In the moral sense, she's guilty as hell.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Jeez, why do we have to refight some things endlessly? The overwhelming weight of the evidence is that John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam.
There are, however, some things that should be explained, like claiming that he spent Chistmas Eve of '68 in Cambodia because President Nixon sent him there. Nixon wasn't president yet. Typo? Honest mistake? Proof reader error? Or guilding the anti-Nixon lilly? No one will ever know since Kerry guards his military records with great enthusiasm.
Whether any of his Purple Hearts were close calls that someone else might not submit, is another subjective matter. it's well known that officers "help" each other out when it comes to medals. LBJ wore a valor medal (silver star?) in his lapel. The award was given for taking one flight through a combat area. No shooting, no enemy, no danger, just an airplane flight. Your call as to whether he deserved it.
Kerry rose to prominence and started on the road to being a nominee for president with his anti-war activities upon his return. He testified before the senate, out of uniform, wearing his medals. He entered into the record stories of alleged GI abuse in Vietnam. Subsequently we learned many of the "winter soldiers" who gave this testimony weren't ever in Vietnam, and in fact, had never served at all. No apologies from Kerry for smearing a generation of American fighting men.
Kerry claimed to have "thrown away his medals" in a giant photo-op. Subsequently he crawfished by saying he'd only thrown away the ribbons, not the medals, as though the lowest PFC wouldn't know the difference. He said he threw away his medals. That statement became, uh, "inoperative."
IMO his behavior was dishonorable because he was willing to dishonor the service of tens of thousands of others in order to advance his own career. And it's only slightly hypocritical for a big deal anti-war activist to open his acceptance speech at the Democratic convention by saying: "John Kerry, reporting for duty." He certainly wasn't the first politician to capitlize on his service and he wasn't the last. To my knowledge, he was the only one who wanted it both ways: war hero and anti-war.
Jeez, why do we have to refight some things endlessly? The overwhelming weight of the evidence is that John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam.
There are, however, some things that should be explained, like claiming that he spent Chistmas Eve of '68 in Cambodia because President Nixon sent him there. Nixon wasn't president yet. Typo? Honest mistake? Proof reader error? Or guilding the anti-Nixon lilly? No one will ever know since Kerry guards his military records with great enthusiasm.
Whether any of his Purple Hearts were close calls that someone else might not submit, is another subjective matter. it's well known that officers "help" each other out when it comes to medals. LBJ wore a valor medal (silver star?) in his lapel. The award was given for taking one flight through a combat area. No shooting, no enemy, no danger, just an airplane flight. Your call as to whether he deserved it.
Kerry rose to prominence and started on the road to being a nominee for president with his anti-war activities upon his return. He testified before the senate, out of uniform, wearing his medals. He entered into the record stories of alleged GI abuse in Vietnam. Subsequently we learned many of the "winter soldiers" who gave this testimony weren't ever in Vietnam, and in fact, had never served at all. No apologies from Kerry for smearing a generation of American fighting men.
Kerry claimed to have "thrown away his medals" in a giant photo-op. Subsequently he crawfished by saying he'd only thrown away the ribbons, not the medals, as though the lowest PFC wouldn't know the difference. He said he threw away his medals. That statement became, uh, "inoperative."
IMO his behavior was dishonorable because he was willing to dishonor the service of tens of thousands of others in order to advance his own career. And it's only slightly hypocritical for a big deal anti-war activist to open his acceptance speech at the Democratic convention by saying: "John Kerry, reporting for duty." He certainly wasn't the first politician to capitlize on his service and he wasn't the last. To my knowledge, he was the only one who wanted it both ways: war hero and anti-war.
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
As I've posted before, I'd be happy to stop lighting candles at my "Fry In H**l Jane" altar if she'd just apologize. Not one of those "I'm sorry if anybody was offended by what I said and did apologies." A real apology. "I'm sorry for supporting an enemy in time of war and for that fact that some of our POW's were abused for not wanting to participate in a dog and pony show with me. I was wrong. And I'm sorry."
Fat chance. The first line of her obituary is already written. Just like Bette Midler's is: "Bette Midler, who got her start in the Continental Baths, died today. . . "
If Pollard is in jail, why not her? Her war record speaks for itself.
As I've posted before, I'd be happy to stop lighting candles at my "Fry In H**l Jane" altar if she'd just apologize. Not one of those "I'm sorry if anybody was offended by what I said and did apologies." A real apology. "I'm sorry for supporting an enemy in time of war and for that fact that some of our POW's were abused for not wanting to participate in a dog and pony show with me. I was wrong. And I'm sorry."
Fat chance. The first line of her obituary is already written. Just like Bette Midler's is: "Bette Midler, who got her start in the Continental Baths, died today. . . "
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
So there you admit it: Sen. Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. Why are you still belittling him?
If you must, belittle another politician, like one who dodged teh draft by arranging a cushy National Guard position.
So there you admit it: Sen. Kerry served honorably in Vietnam. Why are you still belittling him?
If you must, belittle another politician, like one who dodged teh draft by arranging a cushy National Guard position.
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