Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
And accountants
I don't think anybody but tax lawyers will argue against simplicity.
And accountants
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Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
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Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Yeah, keeping the tax code complicated is a lot like keeping the Bible in Latin. Once you translate it to the vernacular, somebody is bound to ask, "why am I still giving half my wheat to the abbot?"
If we're ever going to have real reform, we're probably going to have to take the hint from Cade's Rebellion in Henry VI Part 2, Act IV Scene 2.
And accountants
Yeah, keeping the tax code complicated is a lot like keeping the Bible in Latin. Once you translate it to the vernacular, somebody is bound to ask, "why am I still giving half my wheat to the abbot?"
If we're ever going to have real reform, we're probably going to have to take the hint from Cade's Rebellion in Henry VI Part 2, Act IV Scene 2.
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WeWantMore
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
And, evidently, Congress.
And accountants
And, evidently, Congress.
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Skipping the fair tax discussion, because I'm not aware of anybody running on that this year, there have been a couple of instances of the 23% Flat Tax crowd now running away from that declaration now that they're the party nominee. Seems if its own advocates won't stand by the idea, its kinda hard to win over the skeptics.
Skipping the fair tax discussion, because I'm not aware of anybody running on that this year, there have been a couple of instances of the 23% Flat Tax crowd now running away from that declaration now that they're the party nominee. Seems if its own advocates won't stand by the idea, its kinda hard to win over the skeptics.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
The reasons politicians don't want to do it is because it removes alot of their power.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Or it ****es off a lot of their contributors.
This may not be breaking news to some, but there is a gap between what candidates promise to voters to get votes and what they promise to contributors to get money.
You can't do the former unless you do the latter. But while voters may not always be swayed by hand-waving and emotionalism when you break promises, contributors never are, so guess who wins when those promises come into conflict?
Or it ****es off a lot of their contributors.
This may not be breaking news to some, but there is a gap between what candidates promise to voters to get votes and what they promise to contributors to get money.
You can't do the former unless you do the latter. But while voters may not always be swayed by hand-waving and emotionalism when you break promises, contributors never are, so guess who wins when those promises come into conflict?
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Without them and those like them, people like us would not have the freedom to be discussing this right now.
Part of their job description is to deal with dangerous situations that the vast majority of the population never faces - and if it does face them, it doesn't do so willingly. These people choose to run into burning buildings to try to save people like us. They choose to pursue armed criminals who have little to no regard for the lives and property of the innocent. Why you would choose to undermine what they do and why they do it is beyond me.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
(Incidentally, my deductions go to 11)
Don't forget taxpayer X, who's been accustomed to deductions Y and Z, which the simplified tax code will remove. He'll fight those "simplifications" to the grave - without ever bothering to do the math and figure out that he'd actually pay less tax. "I just want my deductions!!!!!"And accountants
(Incidentally, my deductions go to 11)
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Tundra says something stupid* (I'd like to see him try to get through basic, much less deal with what our servicemen have to put up with day in day out... In the interst of not being redundant, I don't feel the need to pile on it any more than the rest of you already have), and gets called out for it on all fronts on this board.
Repeat: all fronts. As in "even those sub-human, filthy progressives on this board, with our non-conservative ways and their using the American flag as toilet paper# were appalled by it".
Of course, Tundra said that because he's a liberal. Not because he's an ignorant boob.
*In the interst of not being redundant, I don't feel the need to pile on it any more than the rest of you already have.
#Or however it is that you view the 98% of this country that are further to the left than you are. It's hard to tell.
Oh, Old Pio, you rapscallion. Who else but you could respond to Tundra's idiocy and turn it into such a polarized
Tundra says something stupid* (I'd like to see him try to get through basic, much less deal with what our servicemen have to put up with day in day out... In the interst of not being redundant, I don't feel the need to pile on it any more than the rest of you already have), and gets called out for it on all fronts on this board.
Repeat: all fronts. As in "even those sub-human, filthy progressives on this board, with our non-conservative ways and their using the American flag as toilet paper# were appalled by it".
Of course, Tundra said that because he's a liberal. Not because he's an ignorant boob.
*In the interst of not being redundant, I don't feel the need to pile on it any more than the rest of you already have.
#Or however it is that you view the 98% of this country that are further to the left than you are. It's hard to tell.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Very true. You talk to people about this kind of stuff and a lot of people don't connect the dots well, if at all.
huskyfan
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
I'm late to the argument, but I'd like to throw down anyway.
The all volunteer military works. It works very very well. Its the best the world has ever seen. Why would we ******* with it?
No one enlists in the military for the paycheck. Its not all that much, even for Generals. No one enlists in the military for the housing. It ranges from adequate to miserable. The costs vs the benefits are seriously skewed - getting killed vs no taxes on a bag of chips. Even if your career field is non combat you still endure long separations from family, home, friends. You are held to a code of honor civilians can only guess at.
The military enables every single one of us to shoot our mouths off, to run a business, to travel safely, to read what we want, to live in a Democracy.
On a day where our nation awards a Medal of Honor to Richard Etchberger, thank a vet today. They and the all volunteer army and the money we spend on them make our lives possible.
I'm late to the argument, but I'd like to throw down anyway.
The all volunteer military works. It works very very well. Its the best the world has ever seen. Why would we ******* with it?
No one enlists in the military for the paycheck. Its not all that much, even for Generals. No one enlists in the military for the housing. It ranges from adequate to miserable. The costs vs the benefits are seriously skewed - getting killed vs no taxes on a bag of chips. Even if your career field is non combat you still endure long separations from family, home, friends. You are held to a code of honor civilians can only guess at.
The military enables every single one of us to shoot our mouths off, to run a business, to travel safely, to read what we want, to live in a Democracy.
On a day where our nation awards a Medal of Honor to Richard Etchberger, thank a vet today. They and the all volunteer army and the money we spend on them make our lives possible.
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Frankly I don't know that what Tundra said was idiotic. He took a slightly extreme position...but no more extreme than Pio's 'everyone in the military is more American than anyone else' stance. Both could be better said.
I think you can have admiration for those who do a service that puts themselves at risk for the greater good. Additional veteran services and perks go a ways towards filling those gaps. But on the flipside, there is no reason to extend any preferential treatment beyond admiration of service...to think of those in the military as greater Americans. Unlike claims of folks opinions of Obama, there is actual stated worship of those in the military here. So Tundra has an opinion and Pio has an opinion and you and I also have opinions. None are stupid nor idiotic. The only opinions that are just wrong in my book are those that belittle or degrade others for having a different opinion.
Frankly I don't know that what Tundra said was idiotic. He took a slightly extreme position...but no more extreme than Pio's 'everyone in the military is more American than anyone else' stance. Both could be better said.
I think you can have admiration for those who do a service that puts themselves at risk for the greater good. Additional veteran services and perks go a ways towards filling those gaps. But on the flipside, there is no reason to extend any preferential treatment beyond admiration of service...to think of those in the military as greater Americans. Unlike claims of folks opinions of Obama, there is actual stated worship of those in the military here. So Tundra has an opinion and Pio has an opinion and you and I also have opinions. None are stupid nor idiotic. The only opinions that are just wrong in my book are those that belittle or degrade others for having a different opinion.
huskyfan
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
there is a great difference, in my mind, between those who talk and those willing to lay down their lives.
there is a name for all opinions being valid (perhaps you think Stalin's or Hitler's were not stupid or idiotic?) : moral relativism. its not pretty.
there is a great difference, in my mind, between those who talk and those willing to lay down their lives.
there is a name for all opinions being valid (perhaps you think Stalin's or Hitler's were not stupid or idiotic?) : moral relativism. its not pretty.
Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
Exactly, So when the subject of John Kerry's war service comes up, conservatives stand.....where on that one? Seems its okay to disparage a vets service if they run as Democrats, right?
Exactly, So when the subject of John Kerry's war service comes up, conservatives stand.....where on that one? Seems its okay to disparage a vets service if they run as Democrats, right?
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Having served in the military I can say that very few people signed up for the money. That being said, there are some people at the 15 year mark of service who stayed in 5 more years to get military retirement. I think there are changes that could be made in the system to make it more reasonable in the long run. I would prefer that we just paid people more while they are serving allowing them to put more away for retirement rather than having the pension plan that is currently in place.
Having served in the military I can say that very few people signed up for the money. That being said, there are some people at the 15 year mark of service who stayed in 5 more years to get military retirement. I think there are changes that could be made in the system to make it more reasonable in the long run. I would prefer that we just paid people more while they are serving allowing them to put more away for retirement rather than having the pension plan that is currently in place.
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You should tell that to your fellow conservatives. Seems they didn't get the message. When you wonder why the military isn't held in the esteem that it should be, perhaps you can take a look at some of these campaigns your ideological ilk have run against vets on the other side of the aisle.
Or you could chat with the Bush campaign about their treatment of McCain in the 2000 elections.
You should tell that to your fellow conservatives. Seems they didn't get the message. When you wonder why the military isn't held in the esteem that it should be, perhaps you can take a look at some of these campaigns your ideological ilk have run against vets on the other side of the aisle.
Or you could chat with the Bush campaign about their treatment of McCain in the 2000 elections.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
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Re: Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!
That would require politicians to get off their high horse and be consistent and/or objective for a change.
Regardless of which side of the aisle we're talking about, that's just too much to ask for.
That would require politicians to get off their high horse and be consistent and/or objective for a change.
Regardless of which side of the aisle we're talking about, that's just too much to ask for.
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Not many ideas are idiotic...and I don't know that I would use stupid to describe Hitler.
But your general point is valid.
Frankly I don't know as much about Kerry's position and actions as I probably should. But if he just protested the war...that's totally fine, if not even positive for the country to push the debate. If his position was 'those guys are baby killers' then he was definitely not honorable.
Not many ideas are idiotic...and I don't know that I would use stupid to describe Hitler.
But your general point is valid.
Frankly I don't know as much about Kerry's position and actions as I probably should. But if he just protested the war...that's totally fine, if not even positive for the country to push the debate. If his position was 'those guys are baby killers' then he was definitely not honorable.
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