Obama XVI: Muslin curtains in the White House!!!

[Red Cloud]

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McDonalds is saying that the initial report is in error, they aren't dropping healthcare for their hourly employees. Which is fine - I support whatever decision it is that they have to make in order to maintain their profitability.

Obozo's dumb sow Sebelius had to butt in on the conversation as well, though. You already had your say when you rammed this crap down the public's throat despite widespread opposition. What McDonalds does is its own business. The only thing Sebelius is missing are the pom-poms and the pleated skirt.

 

[Kepler]

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I find it odd that so many liberal-leaning folks fully accept the evolutionary theories of Darwin with regards to biology, but despise the same concepts at work within an economy

You find it odd that what we encounter in nature we try to ameliorate? I guess you aren't big on medicine.

 

[5mn_Major]

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You find it odd that what we encounter in nature we try to ameliorate? I guess you aren't big on medicine.

Better analogy. Comparing evolution or survival of the fittest to the business world would say...don't subsidize businesses. In a normal operating economy, liberals don't advocate subsidizing business (ie big oil).

On the other hand, liberals don't necessarily like survival of the fittest when people are concerned. They don't necessarily advocate...'youre on your own'. And both sides these days largely don't advocate indefinite free money (note that free 'welfare' is no longer a national debate). To Keps point, just as we would push for medicine to ensure we can take care of our own...liberals are fine with some consideration of those in deep trouble financial trouble.

The difference is being fairly heartless regarding corporate entities vs. human beings.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Better analogy. Comparing evolution or survival of the fittest to the business world would say...don't subsidize businesses. In a normal operating economy, liberals don't advocate subsidizing business (ie big oil).

On the other hand, liberals don't necessarily like survival of the fittest when people are concerned. They don't necessarily advocate...'youre on your own'. And both sides these days largely don't advocate indefinite free money (note that free 'welfare' is no longer a national debate). To Keps point, just as we would push for medicine to ensure we can take care of our own...liberals are fine with some consideration of those in deep trouble financial trouble.

The difference is being fairly heartless regarding corporate entities vs. human beings.

You know people do this stuff outside of the government...this is where liberals fail. We should all care about other people and help those that we think deserve our help. Its not the governments job to decide whom we should help. Non-profits are great and people donate their time and money to them all the time and they do a much better job of spending their donations on fruitful endeavors. The problem with the government getting involved is its wasteful and inefficient. I'd rather give to United Way than ask my government to fund something similar to what United Way does...who can argue with that?

 

[pirate]

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You find it odd that what we encounter in nature we try to ameliorate? I guess you aren't big on medicine.

I find it odd that they do so with no consideration for frequency, cost of prevention or unintended consequences.

Some look at the benefit, such as no kids ever scraping themselves on the plastic key in a fisher price toy, and decides that any cost is acceptable. So, the product must be recalled, redesigned etc. 7 kids need stitches from banging into a high chair...1 million products need to be recalled. That is before the lawyers get involved. Think the cost of toys and high chairs will go down from this type of nanny-state policy making? When does it stop?

Nobody wants to see kids get hurt. The idea that any cost whatsoever is acceptable in order to prevent every bad thing we discover and that every bad thing requires a regulation, a government agency and lawsuits is a bad idea.



edit: so all charity is performed by private citizens and businesses don't ever contribute to the general welfare of the public via donations, executive volunteers, discounted products etc? I did not know that. I thought businesses and corporations made significant contributions to charities, schools, hospitals etc. Well, learn something new every day.

 

[Kepler]

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I find it odd that they do so with no consideration for frequency, cost of prevention or unintended consequences.

Some look at the benefit, such as no kids ever scraping themselves on the plastic key in a fisher price toy, and decides that any cost is acceptable. So, the product must be recalled, redesigned etc. 7 kids need stitches from banging into a high chair...1 million products need to be recalled. That is before the lawyers get involved. Think the cost of toys and high chairs will go down from this type of nanny-state policy making? When does it stop?

Nobody wants to see kids get hurt. The idea that any cost whatsoever is acceptable in order to prevent every bad thing we discover and that every bad thing requires a regulation, a government agency and lawsuits is a bad idea.

Typically, companies order their own recalls because of a simple cost-benefit analysis on law suits. It might be a sign of litigiousness, but not Mommy Statism.

 

[Rover]

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"If, um, you you you like your c-c-current, um coverage, aaahh, YOU CAN KEEP IT IDIOTS!" Unless the meaningless, expensive, overbearing regulation encourages your employer to drop it. Then feel free to vote for repeal, known to progressives as "the same failed policies" of liberty, growth and success.

Sooo.....yet again knuckledraggers are caught posting fake news stories. Gee, never seen that before.

I'm going to give you righties some advice, and I want you to read slowly (well, even slower than usual) and I won't use any big words:

Sometimes, conservative media outlets, from the WSJ to Breibert, put out sensational, anti-Obama news stories without fully verifying them. In fact, I would say this happens often. You might in the future want to give it a couple of days just to make sure the story is actually true before posting it and looking like a total idiot. This happened recently to huskyfan I believe, who posted a link to a story about how the Obama admin had secrety lobbied for the Lockerbie bomber's release from a Scottish prison. Turns out that one was the opposite of the truth also.

Just a public service announcement from your good friend Rover.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Sooo.....yet again knuckledraggers are caught posting fake news stories. Gee, never seen that before.

I'm going to give you righties some advice, and I want you to read slowly (well, even slower than usual) and I won't use any big words:

Sometimes, conservative media outlets, from the WSJ to Breibert, put out sensational, anti-Obama news stories without fully verifying them. In fact, I would say this happens often. You might in the future want to give it a couple of days just to make sure the story is actually true before posting it and looking like a total idiot. This happened recently to huskyfan I believe, who posted a link to a story about how the Obama admin had secrety lobbied for the Lockerbie bomber's release from a Scottish prison. Turns out that one was the opposite of the truth also.

Just a public service announcement from your good friend Rover.

welcome to the opposite side of things from the 8 years with bush

 

[Red Cloud]

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Rover still displaying his ineptitude. Yeah, it was a fake news story from that fake outlet called the Wall Street Journal.

Then, when it turned out that McDonalds was denying it, none of us mentioned that too... oh wait, I brought it up.

Climb back under your rock.

 

[Red Cloud]

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I see Rover's maxing out his cell phone again.

The author-publisher of "The Tea Party Coloring Book for Kids" says he has received death threats over its publication.

Wayne Bell, publisher of Clayton, Mo.-based Really Big Coloring Books, said in an interview with CBS that his $3.59 coloring book is not political. But some critics think the book was designed for politically conservative adults, and not for children.

"We're not really making a political statement," Bell told CBS, adding that his company also publishes coloring books on the Rockettes, Cirque du Soleil and President Obama.

Bell told FoxNews.com on Thursday that his office began receiving "odd" phone calls and e-mails five days after the release of the coloring book on Sept. 5. Bell said he did not report those incidents to authorities.

"We don't want to be overly dramatic about what's happening," Bell said. "We just kind of let it slide."

Bell said he has received messages containing "horrible, nasty, vitriolic stuff," including a desire for someone to place him in a "chloroform headlock" since its publication.

"It was like a crescendo," Bell said of the messages. "We've locked our front door and put a sign on the door that says, 'please knock.'"

 

[geezer]

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Sooo.....yet again knuckledraggers are caught posting fake news stories. Gee, never seen that before.

I'm going to give you righties some advice, and I want you to read slowly (well, even slower than usual) and I won't use any big words:

Sometimes, conservative media outlets, from the WSJ to Breibert, put out sensational, anti-Obama news stories without fully verifying them. In fact, I would say this happens often. You might in the future want to give it a couple of days just to make sure the story is actually true before posting it and looking like a total idiot. This happened recently to huskyfan I believe, who posted a link to a story about how the Obama admin had secrety lobbied for the Lockerbie bomber's release from a Scottish prison. Turns out that one was the opposite of the truth also.

Just a public service announcement from your good friend Rover.

I don't feel like an idiot at all on this story. Whether or not McD's finds a way to continue offering some form of coverage in spite of these laws, it's become clear all across the country that the unintended consequences of the Barry takeover are driving up costs far faster than the free market for insurance ever did. Which is the overriding theme of these stories, whether or not some are rectified or retracted. and why am I trying to reason with Rover?

 

[Red Cloud]

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I don't feel like an idiot at all on this story. Whether or not McD's finds a way to continue offering some form of coverage in spite of these laws, it's become clear all across the country that the unintended consequences of the Barry takeover are driving up costs far faster than the free market for insurance ever did. Which is the overriding theme of these stories, whether or not some are rectified or retracted. and why am I trying to reason with Rover?

Good question. This guy's never heard of Mary Mapes and Bill Burkett either.

 

[5mn_Major]

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welcome to the opposite side of things from the 8 years with bush

Big difference.

Bush did fail. Iraq, big spending (when the economy didn't need it) and was manning the shop when the economy blew up. The media actually gave him too much leeway until it was too late on all the above.

Obama has not failed...there's no solid evidence that he definitely will. Many initiatives are preferences...tax cuts, spending help buttress weak demand, health care. But there is no hard evidence that any are strictly bad. The media has been overly harsh based not on outcomes...but rather on their opinions of what they think is 'right' and what they think will be outcomes. Indeed, if the economy recovers, govt revenues increase, spending is peddled back...he could yet become a top quartile president and a media that hammered him would just walk away from years of far reaching opinions that turned out to be wrong.

 

[Red Cloud]

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So it was OK when the media lied about Bush, because you didn't like him. Gotcha.

There are mistaken reports that cross the wire ALL THE TIME.

But guess what? Just because it was wrong this time, doesn't mean it's not happening all across the country. Premiums ARE skyrocketing thanks to your beloved Obama's initiatives. Companies ARE making difficult decisions on whether they can afford to continue providing health benefits to their employees.

But as is your norm, you'll just keep clapping your hands over your ears LA LA LA LA LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU

 

[Rover]

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I don't feel like an idiot at all on this story. Whether or not McD's finds a way to continue offering some form of coverage in spite of these laws, it's become clear all across the country that the unintended consequences of the Barry takeover are driving up costs far faster than the free market for insurance ever did. Which is the overriding theme of these stories, whether or not some are rectified or retracted. and why am I trying to reason with Rover?

I'll cut you some slack since you work for the company in question and were clearly in a tizzy about losing your health benefits. However, even you must realize that *any* company seeking to raise the cost of their health care whether its justified or not is going to use the "its the gumbint's fault" excuse and a good portion of dumb sheep will buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Fortunately for all of us, we do in fact have a test case for how this might work! Sticking to the subject at hand before someone goes off on a tangent, did you know that a state in the union actually implemented universal health care? Did you also know that as a result of its full implementation, fears of massive drops in employer based coverage never materialized? Furthermore, this particular state in question has by far the highest % of coverage for its citizens in the US, AND has managed a lower than the national average unemployment rate, thus also dispelling fears of this being a job killer.

Sounds like pretty sound evidence to me, as opposed to a fake news story discredited within hours.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I'll cut you some slack since you work for the company in question and were clearly in a tizzy about losing your health benefits. However, even you must realize that *any* company seeking to raise the cost of their health care whether its justified or not is going to use the "its the gumbint's fault" excuse and a good portion of dumb sheep will buy it hook, line, and sinker.

Fortunately for all of us, we do in fact have a test case for how this might work! Sticking to the subject at hand before someone goes off on a tangent, did you know that a state in the union actually implemented universal health care? Did you also know that as a result of its full implementation, fears of massive drops in employer based coverage never materialized? Furthermore, this particular state in question has by far the highest % of coverage for its citizens in the US, AND has managed a lower than the national average unemployment rate, thus also dispelling fears of this being a job killer.

Sounds like pretty sound evidence to me, as opposed to a fake news story discredited within hours.

Are we talking about Massachusetts here? You do realize that most of us don't really care how Mass does things, that doesn't mean the feds should decide how the other 49 states do things?

 

[WeWantMore]

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I think he's talking about Hawaii, but isn't that a fantastic argument for federalism then? If you want health care like that, move to Hawaii.

 

[Rover]

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Are we talking about Massachusetts here? You do realize that most of us don't really care how Mass does things, that doesn't mean the feds should decide how the other 49 states do things?

Lets leave the state in question's name out of it as its not terribly relevant. One of the 50 states has a universal coverage law, and as a result 1) has the greatest % of its population covered, 2) has lower unemployment than average, and 3) has not seen massive dumping of employer coverage onto the state system (in effect a "public option"). This would seem to refute all fear mongering about what universal coverage, as in Obamacare, would do for the rest of the country, no?

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Lets leave the state in question's name out of it as its not terribly relevant. One of the 50 states has a universal coverage law, and as a result 1) has the greatest % of its population covered, 2) has lower unemployment than average, and 3) has not seen massive dumping of employer coverage onto the state system (in effect a "public option"). This would seem to refute all fear mongering about what universal coverage, as in Obamacare, would do for the rest of the country, no?

It still doesn't change the fact that it is not the roll of the FEDERAL government to mandate that ANY OF US buy health care.

 

[Rover]

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It still doesn't change the fact that it is not the roll of the FEDERAL government to mandate that ANY OF US buy health care.

Yes it is, because the federal govt is on the hook for it when uninsured people need medical care. Unless you're one of those "barter for health care coverage with live chickens" conservatives, it costs money when careless idiots try to game the system but then crash the emergency room for every illness. If you want to pass a law barring the uninsured from medical treatment, be my guest, but short of that the only fair thing to do is everybody having insurance.