Obama XIV: President VISTA with SP2

[Tundra]

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Tolerance starts at home. If they won't tolerate my views, they should not expect to have theirs tolerated either.

I understand. but it's illogical and self-refuting like most religions and their leaders and arguments based on religious grounds.

"If I won't tolerate their views, I should not expect mine to be tolerated either"

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/tolerance.html

The new definition of 'tolerance' makes the Christian claims to exclusivity 'intolerant', which supposedly justifies much of the anti-Christianity in the media and the education system.

But this argument is glaringly illogical and self-refuting. That is, if these 'tolerance' advocates reject Christianity, then they are not treating this belief as 'equal'. So, in practice, to paraphrase George Orwell in Animal Farm, all beliefs are equal, but some beliefs are more equal than others. The result is extreme intolerance towards Christianity from people who talk so much about tolerating all views. In short, they are intolerant of intolerance, so logically they should be intolerant of themselves!

Our conclusions must be based on the foundation of God's Word, not on fallible human opinion!

 

[rufus]

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Come on, rufus, show us your outrage over important stuff like this Pew poll that says 1 in 5 Americans think Obama's a Muslim.

Won't see it, as I haven't posted anything about it. It's not my fault that people are friggin' stupid, although I do find it a bit of an oddly amusing coincidence that those numbers roughly equal George Bush's approval ratings for the last years of his presidency.

Make of that what you will.

 

[TimP]

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Goodness sake. NO ONE is saying they don't have the right to do so. That's not the argument here.

Are you nuts? Have you heard most of the anti-religious freedom ravings by the likes of Palin and Limbaugh lately?

 

[rufus]

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Are you nuts? Have you heard most of the anti-religious freedom ravings by the likes of Palin and Limbaugh lately?

Or Krauthammer?

 

[WeWantMore]

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Are you nuts? Have you heard most of the anti-religious freedom ravings by the likes of Palin and Limbaugh lately?

Evidence?

Maybe I'm wrong, and if so credit to you for bringing me up on it, but I'm not sure Palin and Limbaugh have ever said they don't have the right to build there.


Show me where they have said that.

 

[Bakunin]

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Or Krauthammer?

His argument has been this:
- Ground Zero is hallowed ground
- Building a mosque there would be like building a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor
- While Americans are free to build on their property as they see fit, there are numerous restrictions (based on aesthetics, building codes, and decency)
- A commercial viewing tower was wrong for Gettysburg, a convent was wrong for Auschwitz, and a mosque is wrong for Ground Zero
- If the imam is serious about reaching out to non-Muslims, he should take up the NY governor's offer to find an alternate site and build there

 

[Handyman]

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uh. under Sharia law there is no separation of church and state.

I love when you throw out BS that has nothing to do with anything in an attempt to sound intelligent. It is like when Lynah and Kepler use really big words in their posts to show off their Cornell educations. The only difference is they actually make a point and make sense, you spout drivel that would make Dubya go ***?!?!?!?

 

[rufus]

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His argument has been this:
- Ground Zero is hallowed ground
- Building a mosque there would be like building a Japanese cultural center at Pearl Harbor
- While Americans are free to build on their property as they see fit, there are numerous restrictions (based on aesthetics, building codes, and decency)
- A commercial viewing tower was wrong for Gettysburg, a convent was wrong for Auschwitz, and a mosque is wrong for Ground Zero
- If the imam is serious about reaching out to non-Muslims, he should take up the NY governor's offer to find an alternate site and build there

It's not at Ground Zero
So?
What zoning codes, etc., are being broken? moot argument
His opinion
Again, his opinion.

 

[WeWantMore]

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It's not at Ground Zero
So?
What zoning codes, etc., are being broken? moot argument
His opinion
Again, his opinion.

Fine. But you're ignoring the point. He's never said they don't have a right to do so. Which is what many on the left seem to be suggesting.

 

[Patman]

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It's not at Ground Zero
So?
What zoning codes, etc., are being broken? moot argument
His opinion
Again, his opinion.

So, we're cool with this building even if the imam related to this say... apologizes for bin Laden, calls for the ending of Israel, and defends Whabbi Islam?

 

[walrus]

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It's not at Ground Zero.

Didn't a wing from one of the planes fall on this building?

 

[ColbyWMHB]

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Grow up, and get over it. Nothing anyone builds there can upset anyone if you don't let it. But if that was their dastardly plan, as Patman and Old Pio and the rest of the uberpatriots believe, then they've already succeeded, and they haven't even turned the first shovel over yet.

I see. "Grow up and get over it." Me, I'm well over it. Like I said in my post, I don't really have a stake where this or any mosque goes.

However, what on earth makes you think you're at all entitled to tell the people who were affected by 9/11 and the horrible things that went on on/around that piece of land how they should be feeling? (You don't have to answer that: it's rhetorical. All who read your posts know how much more advanced you are as a human being than everyone else. Had you been directly affected by 9/11--you weren't of course, but hypothetically--we all know you'd have "gotten over it" by the following Thursday).

If this was truly about building bridges and outreach, BOTH sides of this idiotic political urination competition would have been a lot more sensitive to the idea that there are still thousands of people who haven't been able to "get over it" (presumably, if you believe Rufus, this is due to the inability to "grow a pair"). They wouldn't have come to the party making Nazi comparisons and using their grief as a poker chip, and they wouldn't be trumpeting about ideals when they have no clue to the reality facing the people who don't go a day without thinking about 9/11 and how it directly and severely affected them.

 

[Patman]

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Didn't a wing from one of the planes fall on this building?

landing gear

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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So, we're cool with this building even if the imam related to this say... apologizes for bin Laden, calls for the ending of Israel, and defends Whabbi Islam?

Uhm, people have a right to say stupid things in this country, even if it make your blood boil. Thats what the first amendment is all about....

 

[Patman]

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Uhm, people have a right to say stupid things in this country, even if it make your blood boil. Thats what the first amendment is all about....

not what was said... you are right... they do have every right to do as such... not what was asked.

 

[Bill]

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I love when you throw out BS that has nothing to do with anything in an attempt to sound intelligent. It is like when Lynah and Kepler use really big words in their posts to show off their Cornell educations. The only difference is they actually make a point and make sense, you spout drivel that would make Dubya go ***?!?!?!?

Actually, huskyfan is correct. Under Islam/Sharia law, church, state and culture are all rolled together, and Sharia law is the big stick. It's not something you want to see gaining any type of legal foothold in this country, even in a small way.

 

[pardonme]

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Actually, huskyfan is correct. Under Islam/Sharia law, church, state and culture are all rolled together, and Sharia law is the big stick. It's not something you want to see gaining any type of legal foothold in this country, even in a small way.

And this has what to do with building a mosque in lower manhattan? I don't think anyone building the mosque was advocating sharia law having any legal foothold in the US, and frankly it would be shot down as being unconstitutional immediately, just like trying to prevent the mosque from being built is unconstitutional.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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And this has what to do with building a mosque in lower manhattan? I don't think anyone building the mosque was advocating sharia law having any legal foothold in the US, and frankly it would be shot down as being unconstitutional immediately, just like trying to prevent the mosque from being built is unconstitutional.

The Imam does advocate this for the US. In fact, he said that the US is one of the most sharia-compliant nations in the world. Which somewhat befuddles me.

But whatever. I agree with pardonme, even if they tried to do this, it would be hammered down so quickly, with such force that it would carry a TV-MA rating.

 

[WeWantMore]

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The Imam does advocate this for the US. In fact, he said that the US is one of the most sharia-compliant nations in the world. Which somewhat befuddles me.

But whatever. I agree with pardonme, even if they tried to do this, it would be hammered down so quickly, with such force that it would carry a TV-MA rating.

I think so too, but then you take a look at what's happened in Britain, and I'm not so sure.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I think so too, but then you take a look at what's happened in Britain, and I'm not so sure.

What's that? I can't say I'm familiar with this...

(Although, I think the two countries are quite different in their approach to freedoms.)