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Obama XIV: President VISTA with SP2

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WeWantMore said:
I think so too, but then you take a look at what's happened in Britain, and I'm not so sure.
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Exactly. Muslim Tribunal courts legally handle civil cases involving Sharia Law in Great Britain. I think if the British were asked 5 or 10 years ago if that could ever happen in their country, the answer would have been a big No.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
What's that? I can't say I'm familiar with this...

(Although, I think the two countries are quite different in their approach to freedoms.)
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article4749183.ece

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3522

I think the first two links are pretty fair, the 3rd one is a little partisan obviously.


Basically, around two years ago, the Archbishop of Canterbury said that Sharia law was coming to Britain, that it was inevitable. That was met with the usual responses. "Racist." "Islamophobe." "Fear monger." And all that.

Fast forward a little ways, and now there's a bunch of Sharia courts all over Britain.
 
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Hmm.... Interesting. I guess I just don't see that happening here. It would get beaten back immediately. It would make this GZ mosque issue look like a two sentence blurb on the back of the local news section if a government official sponsored it.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Hmm.... Interesting. I guess I just don't see that happening here. It would get beaten back immediately. It would make this GZ mosque issue look like a two sentence blurb on the back of the local news section if a government official sponsored it.
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I thought we already had this. There was a movie based on orthodox Jewish court and several TV episodes based on various denominations.

Plus how about tribal courts, and religious compounds doling out their own justice and laws. IE polygamy, underage marriage etc...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html
Sharia courts are classified in the same way as arbitration tribunals - with rulings binding in law provided both parties in the dispute agree to give them the power to rule on their case.

However, a Muslim couple must still be divorced in the British courts for it to recognised under British law. The same provision in the Arbitration Act applies to Jewish Beth Din courts, which resolve similar civil cases.
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Tundra said:
I thought we already had this. There was a movie based on orthodox Jewish court and several TV episodes based on various denominations.

Plus how about tribal courts, and religious compounds doling out their own justice and laws. IE polygamy, underage marriage etc...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...m-dispensing-justice-side-British-courts.html
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and of course the two are equivalent... oh, and by the way... it used to be that liberals frowned upon those Jewish specific courts as well... the usual deal... sexism and all that stuff.

BTW, do you know what Sharia is and how it is applied? I bet you don't. Do you think its another one of them cute one-off extra-legal law codes?
 
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Red Cloud said:
What an elegant argument. Once again... we're used to nothing less from you.
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Golden rule: do unto others as you would have done unto you.
Treat others like you want to be treated.

Red Cloud rule: do unto others as they would do unto you.
Treat others like they treat you.

I'm partial to eye for eye rule and golden rule. and I'm even partial to this rule in some cases but it's being totally misused and overused to hide ism and bigotry.
 
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Patman said:
and of course the two are equivalent... oh, and by the way... it used to be that liberals frowned upon those Jewish specific courts as well... the usual deal... sexism and all that stuff.

BTW, do you know what Sharia is and how it is applied? I bet you don't. Do you think its another one of them cute one-off extra-legal law codes?
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I guess the point was that just because it's "legal" under sharia law doesn't mean it's legal under our law. Hence my comment about polygamy and underage marriage and those religious leaders getting charged and arrested for statutory rape etc...

And if we allow one type of religious civil courts we have to allow the rest was the gist of the point.
 
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Tundra said:
I guess the point was that just because it's "legal" under sharia law doesn't mean it's legal under our law. Hence my comment about polygamy and underage marriage and those religious leaders getting charged and arrested for statutory rape etc...

And if we allow one type of religious civil courts we have to allow the rest was the gist of the point.
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great thing we're not the United Kingdom where the queen is the head of the state religion, the crown prince has a fetish for being a universalist empty head, and they have with bigotry against "asians" because its easier to lump the Islamist freaks from Pakistan with those Hindus from India (yes, I know there's overlap) as opposed to calling out Islam itself.

Under sharia law the woman isn't much more than a pet object. Remember... her word is half that of a man's word and that if she gets raped then 4 men have to have witnessed it to be able to convict the man for it... and she'll probably still get stoned for adultery. Islam is a complete law code... there's only certain laws they know they'll be able to shoe horn in with a western society... for now.
 
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Bill said:
Actually, huskyfan is correct. Under Islam/Sharia law, church, state and culture are all rolled together, and Sharia law is the big stick. It's not something you want to see gaining any type of legal foothold in this country, even in a small way.
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Jesus, you dont think I know she is right about that...but the fact is it has zero to do with discussion at this time. She is notorious for throwing out BS for no reason to try and get a rise out of them and looking stupid while doing it.

If you are really worried it is going to get a foothold here (let alone that it will because of a mosque built in NYC 2 blocks from another mosque) you are more paranoid than the Area 51 freaks in their tinfoil hats. Thanks ranks up there with the Protestants that thought by electing Kennedy we as Americans would be under control of the Pope.

edit: there is a big difference between Muslims being allowed to police their own and sharia law gaining any foothold in America.
 
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England is headed down a very bad road by allowing sharia law to gain a foothold there. Let's hope we avoid such a wrong-headed course of action in this country. One can hope.
 
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Tundra said:
I guess the point was that just because it's "legal" under sharia law doesn't mean it's legal under our law. Hence my comment about polygamy and underage marriage and those religious leaders getting charged and arrested for statutory rape etc...

And if we allow one type of religious civil courts we have to allow the rest was the gist of the point.
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We may not need Sharia Law to eventually see polygamy or underage marriage. The current court system seems to be doing a good job using the US and the various State Constitutions to enforce their interpretation of "marriage".
 
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joecct said:
We may not need Sharia Law to eventually see polygamy or underage marriage. The current court system seems to be doing a good job using the US and the various State Constitutions to enforce their interpretation of "marriage".
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Rabble rabble rabble!
 
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joecct said:
We may not need Sharia Law to eventually see polygamy or underage marriage. The current court system seems to be doing a good job using the US and the various State Constitutions to enforce their interpretation of "marriage".
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All too true. But, such is the decline of our nation that we have become so susceptible to such things.
 
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joecct said:
We may not need Sharia Law to eventually see polygamy or underage marriage. The current court system seems to be doing a good job using the US and the various State Constitutions to enforce their interpretation of "marriage".
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What is this... definition of "marriage" that you speak of?
 
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Patman said:
Islam is a complete law code... there's only certain laws they know they'll be able to shoe horn in with a western society... for now.
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I'm sure this isn't intended to be the latest doomsday scenario...this time its not North Korea but rather the US is under seige by Islam's culture.

But no. American cultures and values are a juggernaut. Europe, China, India...they all look much more American than they did decades ago. And the internet and the English language is pushing that at ever accelerating amounts. For every one step that US culture takes towards international culture...the world takes five towards US culture. The one step the US takes is so subtle that we don't even recognize it.

So what about Islam in the US. We need to keep an open marketplace of ideas...that's what makes the US what it is. But all I can say to Islam is...if you think you've got a chance to influence American society, good luck. The best Muslims will get is a middleman industry that pops up in the US to position existing services to make them Sharia compliant. The rest of the ideas don't have a chance in our hypercompetitive idea marketplace.

So you can sleep easy.
 
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