Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

[Bob Gray]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

And this is only 1/3 of Obamacare

Doesn't matter, though it should. People either oppose Obama's healthcare bill or they support it and just assume that all the details will work out and they'll be better off.

 

[Jon]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Well, see, here's the thing. Glenn Beck has been saying things about Obama that are actually true... nobody wants to believe him though.

The messenger sucks?

 

[Tundra]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

so you're OK with this spending but not the spending to enforce the border?

Point is we don't need to be funding off-shore jobs... we get no benefit for it. Don't defend this stuff.

Hey I want to play the spin game.

So you're NOT OK with this spending but OK with spending $billions$ on jobs overseas.

Point is business need to compete and only way to do that is sending jobs overseas or bringing qualified workers here. We get plenty of benefits from cheap goods and higher corporate taxes not to mention stable foreign governments.

 

[Tundra]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Moreover, I don't really see you defending the proposition that US tax dollars should be used to train people for jobs overseas. So step up and do it ...

Isn't that (Bush) and current military policy in Afghan, Iraq. spending $billions$ of US tax dollars to train troops and foreign workers in reconstruction and job creation. Maybe you can distinguish the difference....or perhaps enlighten us where the US aid money should be spent teaching a man to fish.... jump to it.

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

A more relevant item about the Health Care Law:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/health/policy/06medicare.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Seems Obamacare has extended the solvency of Medicare for another 12 years. Now lets be good little knuckledraggers and remember to thank the President for doing, you know, what he promised he would.

A good day for America.

 

[WeWantMore]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

A more relevant item about the Health Care Law:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/health/policy/06medicare.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Seems Obamacare has extended the solvency of Medicare for another 12 years. Now lets be good little knuckledraggers and remember to thank the President for doing, you know, what he promised he would.

A good day for America.

Excerpt from Paul Ryan's statement on this happy day.

“The Administration has launched an aggressive campaign to spin the alarming report as good news for our fiscal future. Make no mistake about it – this Administration and this Congress are exacerbating our looming fiscal crisis, as these programs, our Federal government, and our economy are accelerating toward bankruptcy. Despite the Administration’s claims of Medicare savings from the new health care law, Medicare’s Chief Actuary has made clear that the over half-trillion dollars in Medicare cuts, which he doubts will fully materialize, would be used to fund the overhaul’s new entitlement. The Administration bases its claim of good news by double-counting the savings from these Medicare reductions, once to extend the life of the Hospital Insurance Trust Fund and a second time to cover the cost the new entitlement in the health care law. Manipulation of the books does not change the grim outlook for these programs or the Federal budget.

 

[ScottM]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

A more relevant item about the Health Care Law:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/06/health/policy/06medicare.html?_r=1&partner=rss&emc=rss

Seems Obamacare has extended the solvency of Medicare for another 12 years. Now lets be good little knuckledraggers and remember to thank the President for doing, you know, what he promised he would.

A good day for America.

Before you break your arm patting yourself on the *** too fast ...

But here’s where the asterisk comes in. Those improvements to the trust fund and to the financial health of the Medicare Part B program “depend in part on the long-range feasibility of the lower increases in Medicare payment rates [for some goods and services]. Moreover, in the context of today’s health care system, these adjustments would probably not be viable indefinitely into the future,” the trustees write. (In other words, unless we change how health care is delivered and reimbursed for, it’s going to be tough to keep all this on track and achieve the projected savings.)

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/08/05/trustees-say-medicare-fund-will-now-run-out-in-2029-with-caveats/?KEYWORDS=medicare

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Whine whine whine. I haven't seen this much crying since those rumors of Sarah Palin's Playboy pictorials turned out to be false.

No kidding the govt will have to keep the savings in place to achieve solvency. That was kinda the point of the legislation.

What's your next post going to be ScottM - that if you go outside in the rain without an umbrella there's a good chance you'll get wet?

 

[ScottM]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

What's your next post going to be ScottM - that if you go outside in the rain without an umbrella there's a good chance you'll get wet?

Maybe I'm a bit more cynical about government "accounting" and projections, especially from an administration which seems to grasp at any straw as good news. You can almost smell the desperation coming from 1600.

Keep spinning ... you probably need the exercise.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Yeah, Rover, even if we can take this at face value and accept it as good news, there's no denying that the overall spending has just been comically absurd.

Only the most far flung liberal (admittedly, I don't lean that far left) can deny that there's really no way that Obama can positively spin his performance of the past year or so. Same goes for Congress (both sides of the aisle as far as I'm concerned).

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

For good reason. Interspersing truth into his unhinged rants doesn't do a lot to change who he is. He's closer to a radio shock jock than he is to being an honest intellectual pundit. (Of course, just try to name someone on cable who isn't these days...)

I used to watch Glenn Beck back when he was on CNN. It somehow kept him in check (at least to some extent). I quit listening to him when he moved to fox and, like people have described, he became unhinged. He went nuts.

Your OP about him was spot on. Obama is fulfilling the beliefs of the insane.

 

[Rover]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Maybe I'm a bit more cynical about government "accounting" and projections, especially from an administration which seems to grasp at any straw as good news. You can almost smell the desperation coming from 1600.

Keep spinning ... you probably need the exercise.

Cynical is fine. Delusional is another thing. Adding 12 years to the solvency of the program is what it is. At some point arguing with you is like arguing whether rain is wet or not. If you're not going to acknowledge basic facts, one has to wonder what sort of evidence will convince you that your position was incorrect.

Exile,

What's to spin? We're well into the 3rd year of a jobless recession. I personally think they've done about all they can do to keep the country afloat, and while they may want to do more, at this point the best thing to do is ride it out. Once confidence/hiring picks up, a lot of other things will follow. In the meantime though, that will overshadow all else.

Remember the Clinton years, with all the apocalyptic predictions about where he'd lead the country? Those years are looking pretty good in hindsight, no?

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Cynical is fine. Delusional is another thing. Adding 12 years to the solvency of the program is what it is. At some point arguing with you is like arguing whether rain is wet or not. If you're not going to acknowledge basic facts, one has to wonder what sort of evidence will convince you that your position was incorrect.

Exile,

What's to spin? We're well into the 3rd year of a jobless recession. I personally think they've done about all they can do to keep the country afloat, and while they may want to do more, at this point the best thing to do is ride it out. Once confidence/hiring picks up, a lot of other things will follow. In the meantime though, that will overshadow all else.

Remember the Clinton years, with all the apocalyptic predictions about where he'd lead the country? Those years are looking pretty good in hindsight, no?

You can't compare the clinton years with the obama years. The big difference? We had someone who actually knew what (and who I suppose) he was doing in the oval office. Someone who compromised on issues. Man, I loved Clinton. The two jokers after him? Not so much.

 

[ScottM]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Cynical is fine. Delusional is another thing. Adding 12 years to the solvency of the program is what it is. At some point arguing with you is like arguing whether rain is wet or not. If you're not going to acknowledge basic facts, one has to wonder what sort of evidence will convince you that your position was incorrect.

12 years ... sure, conditioned on a "best case" number set. Perhaps they hired some of the quants on the Street who modeled housing values that would never drop. Arguing? I didn't know I was arguing ... I was just musing at your "HOPE-Colored" glasses. Again.

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

What ever happened to trying to fix a problem instead of sticking the finger in the dam and crapping all over the next generation?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

What ever happened to trying to fix a problem instead of sticking the finger in the dam and crapping all over the next generation?

FDR

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

FDR

No, he just had the government build a bigger dam

 

[Handyman]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

Yeah, Rover, even if we can take this at face value and accept it as good news, there's no denying that the overall spending has just been comically absurd.

Only the most far flung liberal (admittedly, I don't lean that far left) can deny that there's really no way that Obama can positively spin his performance of the past year or so. Same goes for Congress (both sides of the aisle as far as I'm concerned).

The thing that is going to keep Obama in office is that no one will vote in the next presidential election. Unless the GOP puts forth a decently moderate candidate (which at this point seems unlikely since they have none that could unite the party) the Independents like myself will stay home. Basically it will be an electoral fight and with California and NY in his back pocket he is getting a huge head start. Then we will get all the rhetoric from the True Believers about how now he will do all the good he said he would because he doesnt have to worry about getting elected again

Then 4 years after that we will get the next Dubya in response and it will just keep getting exponentially worse.

 

[ScottM]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

The thing that is going to keep Obama in office is that no one will vote in the next presidential election. Unless the GOP puts forth a decently moderate candidate (which at this point seems unlikely since they have none that could unite the party) the Independents like myself will stay home.

At this point, I think that's probably right, and the GOP will probably get/have control of at least one chamber of Congress too. So, you have the potential for gridlock, or you have the chance that people will be willing to get off their partisan *****es and work along common ground. I don't see anyone in the GOP camp who could knock Obama out without some serious support from Indies. However, I really doubt Obama can count on the Indie support he had in '08. Certainly not from this Indie right now.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

At this point, I think that's probably right, and the GOP will probably get/have control of at least one chamber of Congress too. So, you have the potential for gridlock, or you have the chance that people will be willing to get off their partisan *****es and work along common ground. I don't see anyone in the GOP camp who could knock Obama out without some serious support from Indies. However, I really doubt Obama can count on the Indie support he had in '08. Certainly not from this Indie right now.

Yeah but he doesnt need it now...he needed it to beat out Hillary and that momentum basically slaughtered any shot McCain had at beating him. As long as the Indies dont go GOP (and they wont for Palin, Mittens, Huckabee or anyone else with name recognition) it is a win for Obama.

Gridlock is our best hope, I would rather the partisan bickering actually prevent things not just make everyone look like schmucks.