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Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

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Re: Obama XIII: It's all Bush's fault.

geezer said:
This is all hearsay. You people can't prove this so-called "Jefferson" ever walked on this earth, let alone read his mind 200 years later. Plus, if he had been a real person he would have been an idiot compared to the more advanced species we are today. We have "American Idol" and MLE!
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dxmnkd316 said:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/98042584.html

I don't know if I should be surprised or not...

Florida Gov calls special session to get a constitutional ban on offshore drilling off of florida put on the ballot.
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Maybe get Obama to designate it national wild life sanctuary. FNWR and save it like ANWR when domestic production is 20% + and we have no enviromental damage from drilling. per some enviros.

I read other day that we have 30,000+ wells temporary and permanently capped since the 50's. And this blow up was caused when they were doing temp cap. the writer also mentioned that some of these capped wells leak on land, so more than likely it also leaks in the ocean but we (gov or corp) never check it.

So cheap polluting energy that has high enviromental damage potential like fossile fuel or direct opposite with solar/wind renewable. going nuclear has 2 positives of cheap and non polluting energy so both sides should be able to get on board and we should be building them like crazy. And I never understood our policy of not recycling the waste like they do in France.
 
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Rover should like this, New Brunswick already has one Nuke plant and is in the planning stages to build another, why, to export electricity to New England
 
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ScottM said:
Which would probably be as useful as trying to ban hurricanes from hitting Florida. :rolleyes:
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It's all political. Crist has greatly used this BP spill to his advantage and by trying to make that into a law, he gets Rubio to come out on where he stands on offshore drilling (he's for it I think), and hopes to see another bump in the polls.
 
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walrus said:
Rover should like this, New Brunswick already has one Nuke plant and is in the planning stages to build another, why, to export electricity to New England
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but... but... they're so cost ineffective... in the presence of the glorious mountain of red tape.
 
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I wonder why people are for offshore drilling but not ANWR. From the current fiasco in the gulf, it seems like there will be less enviromental damage drilling in the arctic. You have enviromental damage data from prudhoe bay and the area they want to drill in ANWR is fairly close to the current drilling rigs.

The oil output from the gulf of mexico is 1.5million bpd. Alaska Northslope is about 900k bpd although at the peak in 1998 it was 2million bpd. Sounds like we should save GMWR (gulf of mexico wildlife refuge) for future needs and drill ANWR (artic national wildlife refuge). cheaper and less enviromental damage.

Crude output from the Gulf of Mexico was pegged at 1.5-1.6 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2009, with this level seen edging up to 1.6-1.7 million bpd this year, data from the IEA's Oil Market Report published in May showed
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Cumulative North Slope oil peaked in 1998 at 2 million barrels per day.
As of August 2006, BP estimated that 2 billion barrels (320×10^6 m3) of recoverable oil remain and can be recovered with current technology
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Tundra said:
I wonder why people are for offshore drilling but not ANWR. From the current fiasco in the gulf, it seems like there will be less enviromental damage drilling in the arctic. You have enviromental damage data from prudhoe bay and the area they want to drill in ANWR is fairly close to the current drilling rigs.

The oil output from the gulf of mexico is 1.5million bpd. Alaska Northslope is about 900k bpd although at the peak in 1998 it was 2million bpd. Sounds like we should save GMWR (gulf of mexico wildlife refuge) for future needs and drill ANWR (artic national wildlife refuge). cheaper and less enviromental damage.
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I'm not sure ANWR oil is cheaper. In fact a big problem I believe is the frozen...tundra that its under. It may in fact be cheaper to extract oil from the Gulf.

Regardless, we can never extract oil as cheaply as the Saudi Arabia's or Iran's of the world, so lets try to find other energy sources and get away from oil.
 
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Rover said:
I'm not sure ANWR oil is cheaper. In fact a big problem I believe is the frozen...tundra that its under. It may in fact be cheaper to extract oil from the Gulf.

Regardless, we can never extract oil as cheaply as the Saudi Arabia's or Iran's of the world, so lets try to find other energy sources and get away from oil.
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No, it's definitely cheaper since infrastructure is already built. Although with tax incentives for drilling offshore it might be close. I read that after tax subsidy/incentives oil companies pay 9% taxrate in the US. And since people point out the oil companies pay around 40-45% tax average...USA is basically subsidizing drilling in other nations with higher taxrate.

Plus the guestimate on ANWR is around 5-40billion. Northslope (11Billion produced + 2-4billion reserve left) and it took 20years to peak and will runout after about 40years drilling. The estimate for offshore is something like 100-300billion reserve if you include arctic waters that's opening up due to global warming.

So if you're saving oil for future needs. maybe we shouldn't drill offshore with tax incentives when we can actually make money in ANWR for everyone and create jobs.

I'm all for clean nukes and renewable solar/wind/hydro ... and even heavily taxed cheap oil to get us there............ fire/air/water/earth

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MinnFan said:
I'm pretty sure that offshore drilling is already banned off Florida's coast.
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Am I right in saying that I recall reading that we've in essence banned ourselves from drilling in our own waters that others have been allowed to drill within at their heart's content? I remember reading something of this vein and being a bit annoyed by the information.
 
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I'm suprised noone tagged Obama as flipflopper. He was against the war but we'll continue Bush policy. He didn't want to reward bank greed but he'll just follow Bush lead and reward them handsomely. He was against offshore drilling but changed his mind and wanted to drill till we had the gulf spill.

I had such high hopes for this president, and he has been Bush league at every turn.


Wednesday, 18 June 2008

Republican John McCain favours offshore oil drilling, whereas his Democratic rival, Barack Obama, opposes it.

In a news conference at the White House, Mr Bush told Congress there was "no excuse for delay" in lifting the ban.

"Families across the country are looking to Washington for a response," he said.

Environmentalists have reacted with alarm to Mr Bush's call, arguing that off-shore drilling would take at least a decade to have any effect on oil supply and would exacerbate climate change.

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Since 1981, a congressional moratorium has prohibited oil and gas drilling along the east and west coasts and in the eastern Gulf of Mexico, an area accounting for some 80% of the US's Outer Continental Shelf.

Mr Bush's father, George Bush, imposed a moratorium on coastal oil exploration in 1990.

Since then offshore drilling and exploration have only been allowed in the Western and Central Gulf of Mexico regions plus parts of Alaska.

The federal bans were enacted in part to protect tourism and lessen the chance of oil spills washing on to beaches.
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I thought the range was 100 to 300billion but according to us survey it's around 115billion total.

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Tundra said:
I'm suprised noone tagged Obama as flipflopper. He was against the war but we'll continue Bush policy. He didn't want to reward bank greed but he'll just follow Bush lead and reward them handsomely. He was against offshore drilling but changed his mind and wanted to drill till we had the gulf spill.

I had such high hopes for this president, and he has been Bush league at every turn.
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I don't hear 'drill baby drill' much anymore either (ie enthusiasm being dampened). Our country is full of flipfloppers. :mad:
 
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