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Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper

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Bob Gray said:
Probably true, though they have some competition in the generations that followed them.
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They learned from the best. It started with them. Their parents sacrificed everything for them and they ****ed it all down the drain.
 
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geezer said:
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are you drinking the "fiscal responsibility" kool-aid... er, tea?
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Always have. What you would buy, pay for. Education, health care, modernization, even that boogeyman "wealth redistribution" are all perfectly defensible from a fiscal responsibility perspective as long as you pay for it.

Fiscal responsibility doesn't map to the liberal-conservative spectrum -- it's a completely different dimension.

Spending isn't irresponsible. Debt is.
 
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One thing always confuses me. If the Boomers are so awful, why don't we say the Greatest Generation were the worst parents in history? :confused:
 
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Kepler said:
Always have. What you would buy, pay for. Education, health care, modernization, even that boogeyman "wealth redistribution" are all perfectly defensible from a fiscal responsibility perspective as long as you pay for it.

Fiscal responsibility doesn't map to the liberal-conservative spectrum -- it's a completely different dimension.

Spending isn't irresponsible. Debt is.
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It always spends easier when it is somebody else's money.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Liberal academic: "Hey you Republicans, become more like me!!!"
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Partly. But partly it's you have to go where the votes are, or you're toast. You can't be the angry old straight white southern fundamentalist male party forever. :p
 
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Kepler said:
Partly. But partly it's you have to go where the votes are, or you're toast. You can't be the angry old straight white southern fundamentalist male party forever. :p
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I'm sure I'm being a little unfair to the guy, as it's probably pretty tough to water down a paper like that into 4 talking points. But really, points 2 and 3 seem like common sense. "Hey these people aren't voting for you as much as they used to, you should change that".

Point 1 is a favorite hobbyhorse of people on the left, but really, where has it worked in practice? He may have something with point 4, but I think that point is hardly groundbreaking.
 
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WeWantMore said:
Point 1 is a favorite hobbyhorse of people on the left, but really, where has it worked in practice? He may have something with point 4, but I think that point is hardly groundbreaking.
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The problem with Point 1 is the overgeneralization of statements like "move to the center on social issues." It encompasses far too much territory -- some of which the GOP is going to need to move on, some of which they should stand their ground to stay coherent.

Do they need to stay hysterically anti-gay and anti-choice? Absolutely, given the huge fundy base. Staunchly pro-military and pro-Empire? Absolutely, given their strongest region's banana-republic-like equation of military aggression with personal machismo and national prestige. Do they need to stay hard-line anti-immigration? Not unless they finally jettison their Country Club Republican contributors and become a true Populist party, unleashing the teabaggers' anger towards their hitherto corporate elite puppeteers. Do they need to stay hard-line anti-environmental and pro-oil? Meh -- they'd be better served to play that regionally, the way the Dems pitch contradictory industrial priorities to the yokels of each cabbage patch.
 
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great news! Our senators admit they have no friggin clue what they're doing:
"It's a great moment. I'm proud to have been here. No one will know until this is actually in place how it works." - Chris Dodd (D-Conn)
But I guess the most important thing is, they did something. Right? Who cares about consequences?

Throw 'em all out.
 
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geezer said:
great news! Our senators admit they have no friggin clue what they're doing:
"It's a great moment. I'm proud to have been here. No one will know until this is actually in place how it works." - Chris Dodd (D-Conn)
But I guess the most important thing is, they did something. Right? Who cares about consequences?

Throw 'em all out.
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There's a plan for everything, but things don't always go according to plan. You know how anything will work before it starts working?

Men plan. God laughs.
 
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