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Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
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Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
Why should I "get over it"? It's the classic empty liberal rebuttal: If you're against their agenda, it's because you hate minorities/women/homosexuals. It couldn't possibly be on the grounds of principles.....no, it must be due to a deep hatred of who the person is.
As much as you'd like to color a portion of conservatives and Republicans as haters, you can't. The vast, VAST majority of conservatives/Republicans only want people to be judged on their character and qualifications. We should be striving to have nine of the brightest impartial legal minds on the bench of the SCOTUS, not attempting to craft a demographic mirror image or some convoluted variation thereof.
That's the big difference between conservatives and liberals--conservatives try to look past people's differences, while liberals continue to persistently point them out.
Edit: Kepler, nice link.....I'm sure there are groups that support her nomination solely because she might be gay.
Why should I "get over it"? It's the classic empty liberal rebuttal: If you're against their agenda, it's because you hate minorities/women/homosexuals. It couldn't possibly be on the grounds of principles.....no, it must be due to a deep hatred of who the person is.
As much as you'd like to color a portion of conservatives and Republicans as haters, you can't. The vast, VAST majority of conservatives/Republicans only want people to be judged on their character and qualifications. We should be striving to have nine of the brightest impartial legal minds on the bench of the SCOTUS, not attempting to craft a demographic mirror image or some convoluted variation thereof.
That's the big difference between conservatives and liberals--conservatives try to look past people's differences, while liberals continue to persistently point them out.
Edit: Kepler, nice link.....I'm sure there are groups that support her nomination solely because she might be gay.
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Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
I think the word you're looking for there is libertarians -- not conservatives.
I think the word you're looking for there is libertarians -- not conservatives.
Kepler
Cornell Big Red
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
And the same tactic is used when one criticizes military policy (you're against the troops) or tries to keep church and state separate (you're against faith) or has the temerity to question the predations of empire (blame America first).
There are empty heads on both sides. Moral: don't be one.
You realize you included this in a post decrying knee-jerk generalizations, right?
And the same tactic is used when one criticizes military policy (you're against the troops) or tries to keep church and state separate (you're against faith) or has the temerity to question the predations of empire (blame America first).
There are empty heads on both sides. Moral: don't be one.
You realize you included this in a post decrying knee-jerk generalizations, right?
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rufus
rock and roller
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Why should I "get over it"? It's the classic empty liberal rebuttal: If you're against their agenda, it's because you hate minorities/women/homosexuals. It couldn't possibly be on the grounds of principles.....no, it must be due to a deep hatred of who the person is.
As much as you'd like to color a portion of conservatives and Republicans as haters, you can't.
I don't "like" to do anything of the sort, and your response is another diversion from the fact there will be opposition based upon her sexual preference. I repeat - that obeservation is not a defense of those that will use it as a catch-all rebutall to legitimate opposition to her qualifications, but pretending one obfuscation is better than the other calls for a legitimate, "get over it" remark.
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Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
SSI = Social Security Insurance
SSDI = Social Security Disability Insurance
SSI = Social Security Insurance
SSDI = Social Security Disability Insurance
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
This must be a liberal site.
http://americansfortruth.com/news/i...ay-so-because-public-has-a-right-to-know.html
This must be a liberal site.
http://americansfortruth.com/news/i...ay-so-because-public-has-a-right-to-know.html
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Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
Abnormal? Oh yeah, this will be a high-minded, intellectual debate.
Abnormal? Oh yeah, this will be a high-minded, intellectual debate.
Terrierbyassociation
Fight Cancer, Wherever You Find It
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
You need to be drug tested, stat.
Conservative != libertarians. Treating everyone equally is not a conservative dogma.
You need to be drug tested, stat.
Conservative != libertarians. Treating everyone equally is not a conservative dogma.
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
That wouldn't work unless you're shifting the savings from these taxes into the general funds. Bush really did a number by including ss in the budget. It was making it look better till ss went red, now it's making it look a bit worse.
The current estimate is that medicare trust will run out earlier than expected in 2017 and ss trust in 2037. so lets say we eliminate these programs or cut the benefits... we still havne't solved the yearly budget deficit from other gov programs nor the $12trillion national debt and the interest payment.
If you noticed we've extended when the trust runs out several times by increasing the fica/medi tax or by increasing eligibility requirements etc..
That wouldn't work unless you're shifting the savings from these taxes into the general funds. Bush really did a number by including ss in the budget. It was making it look better till ss went red, now it's making it look a bit worse.
The current estimate is that medicare trust will run out earlier than expected in 2017 and ss trust in 2037. so lets say we eliminate these programs or cut the benefits... we still havne't solved the yearly budget deficit from other gov programs nor the $12trillion national debt and the interest payment.
If you noticed we've extended when the trust runs out several times by increasing the fica/medi tax or by increasing eligibility requirements etc..
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
The Fair Tax, as pointed out, means that the rich pay a FAR smaller percentage of their income in taxes. If that's cool by you, fine, but it ain't cool by me. Would it be fair to argue that all 300 million of us should get an equal split of the bill? Why is the Fair Tax just enough to that end of the spectrum and not further?
In the end the Fair Tax is an idealist mechanism. Worse, it surely must exempt certain things which either are not consumable (stocks) or very much consumable (houses). It would also mean that for you to have any real value you'll have to buy stocks or houses... which means moving up in stature becomes harder for those below upper class.
Give me the Flat Tax... get rid of the excuses... if you want to go to an absolutist system. The Fair Tax is impractical and worse, flawed.
The Fair Tax, as pointed out, means that the rich pay a FAR smaller percentage of their income in taxes. If that's cool by you, fine, but it ain't cool by me. Would it be fair to argue that all 300 million of us should get an equal split of the bill? Why is the Fair Tax just enough to that end of the spectrum and not further?
In the end the Fair Tax is an idealist mechanism. Worse, it surely must exempt certain things which either are not consumable (stocks) or very much consumable (houses). It would also mean that for you to have any real value you'll have to buy stocks or houses... which means moving up in stature becomes harder for those below upper class.
Give me the Flat Tax... get rid of the excuses... if you want to go to an absolutist system. The Fair Tax is impractical and worse, flawed.
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
Actually, when you include the prebate that everyone gets to cover basic necessities, the Fair Tax has a progressive nature to it. Your effective tax rate would increase as your income and spending go up. Someone who is poor and lives below the poverty level would have an effective tax rate in negative territory.
ScottM
**** it feels good to be a bankster
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
And neither has anything to do with retirement.
And neither has anything to do with retirement.
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
How many would actually pay federal income tax? Since half the country pay any, I'm going to say not many.
Patman
Rodent of Unusual Size
Re: Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper
Considering how little these low-educated workers make I'd doubt they'd be taxed at all. Currently they are a tax drain... legalize them and they become a worse tax drain. Further, companies wouldn't hire them because they'd lose their leverage. You want unemployment to shoot up? Grant amnesty. Assuming 9 million illegals then that's 9 million people out of and looking for work.
Why don't people realize this when we talk about illegals. We are talking about importing a large number of low-skilled workers for a nation which has a much smaller need for low-skilled workers.
Considering how little these low-educated workers make I'd doubt they'd be taxed at all. Currently they are a tax drain... legalize them and they become a worse tax drain. Further, companies wouldn't hire them because they'd lose their leverage. You want unemployment to shoot up? Grant amnesty. Assuming 9 million illegals then that's 9 million people out of and looking for work.
Why don't people realize this when we talk about illegals. We are talking about importing a large number of low-skilled workers for a nation which has a much smaller need for low-skilled workers.
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