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Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper

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I'd lose by something like 10-90.

Now for a different tack, but what if the problems are not a crisis of leadership, but a crisis of followership???

We followers are not holding the leaders accountable for their actions, we are expecting less and less from them when we should be demanding more. We expect them to be corrupt when we should be demanding that they be honest.

We expect them to be mediocre when we should demand excellence.

Until we demand more, this country is not well served.

You'd lose in the primary :p

Yes, if people understood the issues and held elected officials more accountable, that would be great. The winning ticket for Saturday's Powerball would be nice, too.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it."
 
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This happens without any comment on the board. Than in itself is a sign of improvement. Hopefully nobody will be able to win an election on this old chest-thumper in 20 years, no even in Virginia.
 
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DADT is stoopid. Hey, guys, lets create a policy that pointlessly allows us or our enemies (even better!) to blackmail members of the armed forces.

The question is: do or don't. The answer is: do.

End of story.
 
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Where's Pirate? He needs to tell us how he's going to balance the budget without soaking the rich.

I await with baited breath.
 
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If these people had term limits...would they be less influenced by lobbyists/corps/etc ? or more influenced?
 
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If these people had term limits...would they be less influenced by lobbyists/corps/etc ? or more influenced?

No and no.

There might be a reason to have term limits, but limiting corporate influence isn't it. Likewise, limiting corporate influence might be a good thing, but term limits aren't how you get there.
 
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Where's Pirate? He needs to tell us how he's going to balance the budget without soaking the rich.

I await with baited breath.
For today's lexicography lesson, the word you're actually looking for is "bated," from the same root as abated, meaning lessened or reduced. When you're waiting "with bated breath" it's basically saying that you're holding your breath.

We now return you to your wait for pirate....
 
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For today's lexicography lesson, the word you're actually looking for is "bated," from the same root as abated, meaning lessened or reduced. When you're waiting "with bated breath" it's basically saying that you're holding your breath.

We now return you to your wait for pirate....

Baited, bated. Either way I want the master to spin his balanced budget.
 
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For today's lexicography lesson, the word you're actually looking for is "bated," from the same root as abated, meaning lessened or reduced. When you're waiting "with bated breath" it's basically saying that you're holding your breath.

We now return you to your wait for pirate....

You're taking the fun out of it. "Baited breath" has a certain internet chat room charm.
 
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Baited, bated. Either way I want the master to spin his balanced budget.

I didn't say I would.

Our SoS is blaming the rich for the budget deficit. That is my point.

They are taking the time and effort to get out in front of the public and make sure the message is being heard...you still don't have a job, you won't have money for retirement, we aren't solving any of those issues and the rich are to blame. They pay 75% of all the net taxes but they aren't paying their fair share...really? What does the administration think is their fair share? If 15% pay 100% of all the taxes is that the fair share?

My closing was how short-sighted that is...their is no way we should be spending time and effort to convince people it is the fault of the rich that we don't have more industry, less spending etc.

It is the classic "look over there" tactic. Don't blame us...we have charts showing it isn't our doing at all, it is all a guy who was a lame duck for his last two years and a party that was clearly going to lose very early in the election year. We have control of congress and the whitehouse but it is somebody else's fault...either Bush or the rich. I don't recall the campaign being "there is nothing we can do for the next few years, it is all pre-ordained".

I don't like Bush, agree he screwed things up royally, but for god's sake, when does Obama start taking responsibility for the economy?

As for the deficit itself. I've posted dozens of things I'd do, never promising they'd balance the budget nor ever get enacted. There is enough fraud and waste in the government to reduce the ddeficit significantly. I had several posts outilining the fraud in welfare and medicare (which brings the knee-jerk "so you want to pull money out of the mouths of starving children" response) No, I'd like to stop giving it to people who don't need it.

I'd never have gone into Iraq but I would suggest we get the hell out. Complicated, yes. Again, I don't remember the campaign being, we'll keep spending the money and lives and just raise taxes to cover it.

I'd increase taxes on behavior that hurts the country, like smoking...I've pointed out the billions a year spent on cigarettes, insurance, lost productivity and other health care due to smoking...I think the total is $400 billion a year at roughly $100B for each of those four items. I've pointed out that in one gov't agency, when they hired a new director, 1,700 people already making more than $170k/yr got automatic raises since their salary is linked to the salary of the top person who was paid more than the last director.

I've pointed out that government salaries are 175% of the average private salary (and that includes the fat cat execs). Google government jobs, see what comes up. And they NEVER GET FIRED...they don't get paid for performance (obviously or they'd all be starving too).

I've pointed out trivial stuff like multiple service academies. I've pointed out that we have more military bands than we probably need, specifically noting the navy steel drum band as a possible opportunity for some saving. Nothing against the Navy, nor steel drum bands but do we need to have both at the same time?

What I wouldn't do is blame the rich...I might tell people that we need to raise the rate for the good of the country but I wouldn't blame them...I wouldn't say they don't pay their fair share, they already pay multiple times their percentage of the populace...they pay way more than their fair share.

She can say she isn't speaking for the administration...because they want to watch out how they try to pit the majority against the minority. But they have found a minority they can pound and they are doing it. And the mindless masses are eating it up cause it ain't their ox. My real point is that will be a failed strategy.
 
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No and no.

There might be a reason to have term limits, but limiting corporate influence isn't it. Likewise, limiting corporate influence might be a good thing, but term limits aren't how you get there.

Agreed 100%. Limiting terms just moves the center of knowledge and thus power more to the people who aren't term-limited: lobbyists and civil servants.

The best way to limit the influence of the lobbyists is publicly funded elections, and which won't happen in the foreseeable future because of both sincere concerns and cynical ideological manipulations on the part of the special interests that would lose influence. Even then lobbyists can still buy votes by promising cushy, well-paying "advisory" positions after their puppet leaves office. Big money is like water, it always finds its own level.

Oddly enough, the strongest firewall against corporate corruption of politics is the very thing most of us hate: a strong party system. A strong whip takes away the voting authority of the individual member who is thus no longer a worthwhile target for bribery. Since bribery never sleeps, that means it moves on to the party apparatus (this is already true to some extent, oil and pharmaceutical companies, or unions and trial lawyers, have already bribed at least one party to their will), but from the democratic perspective we then go to the ballot box knowing that a vote for Party X is a vote for Exxon, and adjust our vote according to how we feel about that.
 
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For today's lexicography lesson, the word you're actually looking for is "bated," from the same root as abated, meaning lessened or reduced. When you're waiting "with bated breath" it's basically saying that you're holding your breath.

The word you're looking for is lexicology, the study of words, not lexicography, the art of writing dictionaries.
 
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I didn't say I would.

Our SoS is blaming the rich for the budget deficit. That is my point.

They are taking the time and effort to get out in front of the public and make sure the message is being heard...you still don't have a job, you won't have money for retirement, we aren't solving any of those issues and the rich are to blame. They pay 75% of all the net taxes but they aren't paying their fair share...really? What does the administration think is their fair share? If 15% pay 100% of all the taxes is that the fair share?

Nobody's a big fan of blame. But the GOP does it also...all the time. This is a bipartisan issue which should be obvious.

As far as the rich paying taxes, its probably pretty close to what it should be. Remember there ridiculous writeoffs and very low capital gains taxes so someone with a couple million in the bank can sit around and make more money than someone working 70 hours a week. Many of very rich pay little or no taxes. Its those that are paying too little taxes.

I don't like Bush, agree he screwed things up royally, but for god's sake, when does Obama start taking responsibility for the economy?

As for the deficit itself. I've posted dozens of things I'd do, never promising they'd balance the budget nor ever get enacted. There is enough fraud and waste in the government to reduce the ddeficit significantly. I had several posts outilining the fraud in welfare and medicare (which brings the knee-jerk "so you want to pull money out of the mouths of starving children" response) No, I'd like to stop giving it to people who don't need it.

This will be Obama's recession about 4 years after he entered office. Just how many times has our economy been hit by the type of financial crisis and halving of the stock market...and recover 100% in a year and a half? I'd say never. Its just natural to take time to dig out of the hole.

Regarding spending, again, our current spending is extemely serious. But much of that ramp up occurred last decade...and with the nasty recession, its not surprising many are concerned that cutting govt spending and jobs just as consumers and businesses are doing likewise would be terrible. If, if the economy turns around...increases in govt revenues and reductions in unemployment alone should wipe out much of the problem.
 
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We have both here in Maine: Publicly paid elections and term limits. The publicly paid elections work really well because many of the people running for the Legislature would never have been able to afford to run before - it has really boosted interest in the job.

Unfortunately we also have term limits, This, coupled with the public elections, means we have a lot of novices in the State House. In a recent session, about 30% (~500) of the bills submitted to conference consideration were duplicative or nearly exact replicas of bills that had been submitted before. It also means lobbyists know the system much better than the Legislators themselves. Our current state rep admitted that she basically votes however the lobbyists tell her. When I told my state senator he said that's SOP in Augusta now. :eek: :o

I wish we still had an independent media in this state, because I'd love some reporters to do a little legwork and tell us how many former legislators are now "consultants" after they get term-limited. And it's a bipartisan problem, I'm not just attacking Republicans here. If most people knew the real story behind how the last tax reform proposal got killed, our governor would be recalled. Instead he won re-election with a whopping 36% of the vote. If I were a betting man I'd bet after his term ends this year he'll be a "consultant" in the tourism industry.

Publicly-funded campaigns: Yes.
Term limits: No.
 
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The word you're looking for is lexicology, the study of words, not lexicography, the art of writing dictionaries.
That must be one of the most pedantic things I've ever read on a message board.

Frickin awesome - love it!!!!!
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Cue huskyfan saying how liberals are all ultra racist/sexist in 3..2..1..

Then she most likely will find some article in the National Enquirer that says Obama had an affair with a Taliban warlord and cite how they got the John Edwards story right so this could be true as well :p ;)

On the Bill Maher comment...remember when this country had a friggin sense of humor?
 
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