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Obama XII: The shine is off the glass slipper

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amherstblackbear said:
Clear away all the ideological noise, there's an actual disagreement here.

The President of the USA and the (still, for now) leader of the free world has an enormous job to do. It doesn't bother me in the least if he (or maybe she) doesn't spend valuable time taking seriously folks who are fundamentally unserious.

Do your job. That may or may not include swallowing your pride and working with Roger Ailes or . . . uhh . . . whoever's running MSNBC these days. But it doesn't include responding to everything that comes out of the mouth of comedians and demagogues from the opposite side of the political spectrum.

For those folks to even think about getting a private audience with the President is presumptuous in the extreme, and, frankly, I think it deserves the sort of curt response that Rahm gave (or that Palin's CoS gave in my hypothetical).
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Absolutely agree with you on this.

As P, or even VP, there is no upside to engaging every fool that comes calling, but there is substantial risk to your reputation, the appearance of your priorities, your time and the exposure to some blindside attack.

Or if you are hunting with cheney, the attack might be going in the other direction.:p
 
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There are good points calling mine out. Obama didn't admit to saying it himself; maybe it's just as likely they were the words of his aide. Rush isn't a "political adversary"; I should have said "critic". Of course he shouldn't have to engage with every fool that spouts off; it's a waste of his time.
My only complaint was with the U.S. prez (or his aide) telling ANYONE to "go play with yourself". It's juvenile, petty, name calling politics. Just keep your mouth shut.
Amazing as it may seem, he makes Limbaugh look classy in this story.
Is common decency and good manners too much to ask?

edit: yes, I'm old fashioned and yes, I also strongly disapprove of Barry's recent giggling-in-the-hand use of "The Teabaggers". Grow up, Mr. President.
 
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pirate said:
Or if you are hunting with cheney, the attack might be going in the other direction.:p
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The poor guy has one small drinking accident and subverts one Constitution and now it's nothing but complaints. Leave the man alone to plot that putsch from his jail cell, for God's sake! :(
 
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amherstblackbear said:
For those folks to even think about getting a private audience with the President is presumptuous in the extreme, and, frankly, I think it deserves the sort of curt response that Rahm gave (or that Palin's CoS gave in my hypothetical).
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So, what you're saying is, it's OK for the President of the United States and/or his staff to be vulgar toward a private citizen as long as they don't agree with them.

Gotcha.
 
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Red Cloud said:
So, what you're saying is, it's OK for the President of the United States and/or his staff to be vulgar toward a private citizen as long as they don't agree with them.

Gotcha.
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It's not like we're talking about Joe Blow, here. I think any president gets a little more leeway when the victim of the supposed etiquette breach is a known blowhard. Hell, if I ran into Rush (or Olbermann, or Maher) somewhere, I'd tell them all to go f' themselves. So yeah, not a big deal to me.

Sorry, but can we turn back from poor little Limbaugh's feelings to you know, things that matter? Like that trillion dollar deficit? health care? military overseas?
 
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unofan said:
Sorry, but can we turn back from poor little Limbaugh's feelings to you know, things that matter? Like that trillion dollar deficit? health care? military overseas?
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At the rate he's been going, I'd much rather he focus exclusively on Golf-gate for the next couple years. :p
 
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unofan said:
It's not like we're talking about Joe Blow, here. I think any president gets a little more leeway when the victim of the supposed etiquette breach is a known blowhard. Hell, if I ran into Rush (or Olbermann, or Maher) somewhere, I'd tell them all to go f' themselves. So yeah, not a big deal to me.

Sorry, but can we turn back from poor little Limbaugh's feelings to you know, things that matter? Like that trillion dollar deficit? health care? military overseas?
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EARTH TO EVERYONE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT WAS LIMBAUGH THAT HE SAID IT TO. THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE FROM THE BEGINNING. I don't care if he said it to Karl Marx himself, if Karl Marx was a private citizen, I think he should expect a little bit more class from the office of the President.

For the love of God. But it's OK, because it was "a blowhard." First post-partisan President, yup!
 
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Red Cloud said:
First post-partisan President, yup!
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The funny part for me is that anyone actually believed that when Bush II or Obama said it.

It made me laugh. Really hard.

Another reason I didn't vote for him. Oh, and for those that are shocked by this look at who his Chief of Staff is for a second. Nuff said.
 
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Red Cloud said:
EARTH TO EVERYONE.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT IT WAS LIMBAUGH THAT HE SAID IT TO. THAT'S THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE FROM THE BEGINNING. I don't care if he said it to Karl Marx himself, if Karl Marx was a private citizen, I think he should expect a little bit more class from the office of the President.
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(With due apologies to Republican women)

I think the right needs to grow a pair.
 
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This smacks of the "when did you stop beating your wife" scenario...does anybody know if the President actually said that, does anybody know that anyone actually said that (other than Rush providing the 3rd party summary that just so happens to put him out in the public eye even further and increase his listeners).

This seems like a B list starlet linking herself to Brad Pitt to get in the rags.

Even if it did happen, the last guy in the world that should boo-hoo because somebody was insensitive to him is Rush...he makes his entire living in that genre...granted he spends a lot of it on Big Macs and Vicodin but what he has left he owes to making these same kind of comments.

He is more like the guy who just traveled Europe with the male escort massuese on behalf of the anti-gay establishment - so hypocritical it is humorous.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
(With due apologies to Republican women)

I think the right needs to grow a pair.
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It doesn't matter if it was Obama or if it had been Bush or a politician of ANY stripe. Remember when Bush referred to a reporter as a "major league a-hole?" It was before he was elected, but he was running for the office and he was rightly chastised for it.

Are you trying to say that the Office of the President doesn't need to have respect for anyone?
 
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pirate said:
Even if it did happen, the last guy in the world that should boo-hoo because somebody was insensitive to him is Rush...
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I know you're not paying attention... it was already mentioned that he didn't, as you put it "boo-hoo." He said he fully expected it.
 
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pirate said:
(other than Rush providing the 3rd party summary that just so happens to put him out in the public eye even further and increase his listeners).

This seems like a B list starlet linking herself to Brad Pitt to get in the rags.

Even if it did happen, the last guy in the world that should boo-hoo because somebody was insensitive to him is Rush...
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This is officially gone way off the tracks. You completely missed the original story we're talking about, go back a few pages.
 
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Red Cloud said:
I know you're not paying attention... it was already mentioned that he didn't, as you put it "boo-hoo." He said he fully expected it.
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OK, the last guy that needs consoling for somebody being an itsy bit mean to him is Rush...if anybody actually said what he claims they said.

Is that better?


Just like the starlet knows that she isn't really dating Brad Pitt, it is just getting the attention that counts when you are a media whore.

As you said, he expected it, so why did he ask? Just so he could say he was 1) ignored 2) treated rudely 3) some other manufactured scenario that would drive attention.

Paris Hilton has better tactics. At least she makes no pretense that she is a legitimate anything.
 
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pirate said:
some other manufactured scenario that would drive attention
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Bing. We have a winner.

Rush will cry all the way to the bank. In their own warped, tragic, creepy way, the echo chamber has produced some truly brilliant people. How else could these guys wring, literally, millions of dollars from legions of unemployed arm chair rebels and retiree revolutionaries living on fixed federal incomes? They invented a machine to spin envy, paranoia and hatred into gold -- their footnote in the annals of demagoguery will read, "made a fortune."
 
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I honestly think Rush would have rather gone golfing with the guy than have him brush him off like this and have to chase that controversy.

Imagine the hours and hours of Golfing with Barry stories he could tell.
 
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pirate said:
As you said, he expected it, so why did he ask?
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Kepler said:
Rush will cry all the way to the bank.
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I'm going to try just once more to clear this up, then I promise to go away.
Rush Limbaugh had no involvement with golf-gate. He never asked to golf with Barry. He never cried about being rejected.
What happened was that some guy in the press may or may not have talked to some guy in the white house, and the white house guy reportedly told him, "Limbaugh can go play with himself", reportedly passing along the pres's response. Rush himself didn't hear about this alleged conversation until a year later.
Again, he didn't ask, he didn't cry. His only involvement was to receive a presidential aide's request that he bugger himself.
 
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pirate said:
OK, the last guy that needs consoling for somebody being an itsy bit mean to him is Rush...if anybody actually said what he claims they said.

Is that better?
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No, because you're still obfuscating the point.

And he wasn't the one that made the claim. Strike two.
 
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