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Obama XI: Turn And Face The Strange

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a question on the gay woman who died and her partner wasn't allowed to see her. why weren't the chidlren allowed in?

Because they were adopted, not her "natural" children. Presumably, had she been straight and adopted the hospital would have responded the same way.

But does anyone actually believe that?
 
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How to determine your political persuasion

Q1: Do you have five (or more) kids?
Q2: Do any of them have Down Syndrome?

If you answered No to either of the above questions, you are not a conservative.

I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting this (and you actually have some decency). Will you clarify?

edit: oh wait, Palin joke, right? I guess that's OK then.
 
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I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting this (and you actually have some decency). Will you clarify?
Watch the end of the daily show video.

Someone also argued it in the last thread how liberals would abort a baby if they knew it had down syndrome.
 
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I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting this (and you actually have some decency). Will you clarify?

edit: oh wait, Palin joke, right? I guess that's OK then.

See, when it's on Fox News it's OK. When I make fun of them for saying it on Fox News, then it's not OK... :rolleyes:
 
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I'd like to think I'm misinterpreting this (and you actually have some decency). Will you clarify?

edit: oh wait, Palin joke, right? I guess that's OK then.

Did you watch the Daily Show clip?
 
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See, when it's on Fox News it's OK. When I make fun of them for saying it on Fox News, then it's not OK... :rolleyes:

sorry, I haven't watched Fox or the Daily Show for quite some time. I'll just assume it's a joke.
It's a bit of a sore spot, like the brother of a gay person who takes offense to gay bashing.
 
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How much of that 50% are disappointed liberals though, upset because he hasn't delivered them single payer, halted global warming in its' tracks, etc.?

Splits are listed. 54% of independents say he should be a one-termer, more Democrats want to give him the heave than Republicans want to keep him around.
 
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Splits are listed. 54% of independents say he should be a one-termer, more Democrats want to give him the heave than Republicans want to keep him around.

Hmm, thanks. I always wonder about the 10% of Republicans who think he should get another term, similar to the 6% of Democrats who approved of Bush to the very end. What goes through those peoples minds?
 
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sorry, I haven't watched Fox or the Daily Show for quite some time. I'll just assume it's a joke.
It's a bit of a sore spot, like the brother of a gay person who takes offense to gay bashing.

The crux of it was that someone on Fox (Bernie Goldman I believe) said that Liberals would never have five kids including one with downs syndrome, a liberal would never allow that. This was showed after Bernie and the rest of Fox demonized the media for painting the Tea Party people with a broad brush and generalizing about them.

It is the usual Daily Show clip where they take what the Faux News crowd says and then shows how big of hypocrits they are using old quotes and clips.
 
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Good question. Maybe if they were adopted, but only under her partner's name?

That is usually the problem...it basically makes one of the partners the "real" parent and the other just a live in nanny. It is archaic to say the least.
 
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Try the political class on for size.

If you're referring to the staffers, reporters and researchers who work on the Hill (in the interests of disclosure, my wife is one), or even the members, I think they are in actuality even more sincere in their beliefs than the average person, which is one reason they made politics a career. I meet those people all the time, R, D and I. They've got advanced degrees and would be making far more money on Wall Street or Main Street or as attorneys. Sure, some percentage of them are there for cynical motives (a certain northwestern ex-governor comes to mind), but no more nor less than any other profession.

One of the worst things to happen to my political cynicism was moving to the DC area and actually meeting the people I thought I knew all about. Politics is by nature "unidealistic" in that it's about getting things done, and that means creating coalitions and compromising promises and values, but it isn't the people who are dirty. Put the CEOs of the Fortune 500, or the managing partners of the top 100 law firms in the country, or the USCHO Forum, or the membership of the Major League Players Association in Congress, and you'll wind up with exactly the same thing. I have met the enemy and, what an anti-climax, he's us.

That's why Congress after Congress is unpopular but everybody loves their member. It's not the members of Congress, it's the consequences of a representative form of government that are so frustrating. People believe in it to the degree that the things they want happen. Anybody else's ideas make headway and that's (enter ideologically charged Mad Lib exaggeration here). We are now so sensitive to the people that nothing can get done, because the force against is always stronger than the force for. (And, since I do have some cynicism left, because there are powers who have feathered their nest with the status quo and don't want to see any change). It's bad enough that the Senate, which used to at least be somewhat above the fray, is now just nearly as bad as the House, which is why the majority is tempted to really make it just like the House and run it by majority rule. We have both sides' intransigence to thank for that. Or, maybe, it's the next step in the evolution of the Senate, and it will be a way to get things moving again -- first by one side, then the other. I'm old and stodgy enough to think it's not a good direction to move in.
 
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