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Obama XI: Turn And Face The Strange

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Rover and Kepler are delusional (again).

Their Lord is tied with Ron Paul.

...oh, and he thinks being a mighty military power is a burden.

This chump and his cronies are so underqualified, I'd take a substitution of a bakers dozen of crash test dummies at this point.

Surely you're not opposed to the Obama Doctrine, right?
1. Was your country friendly with the United States during the Bush years?
2. If the answer to number 1 is yes, go away.
3. If the answer to number 1 is no, (bow) what can we do for you?
 
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So I went to the Tea Party today in Madison, WI. Talk about a Bizzaro world, walking down to the capital and seeing Republican pins and stickers, had to double check and make sure I was still in Madison.

There were a few funny signs there, you had your usual run of the mill "birther" types, "Obama the Usurper" and that line of crap. One guy dressed up as a pig and wore a suit with a sign that said "Go back to work you stupid debt slaves!" I thought that was pretty funny. A few crashers as well, one woman with a poster that said "I'm with stupid" and arrows pointing at all the other attendees. This same poster also featured a picture of Tommy Thompson with a Hitler mustache.

As for the speakers, some were decent, others not so much. All the talk radio hosts got their chance to yell and scream, some did better than others. A college kid also got to speak, he was a decent speaker, eulogized Reagan a bit too much for my tastes though. By far the worst was the Thomas Jefferson impersonator, why? Who thought that was a good idea?

The keynote speaker if you will was Tommy Thompson, former WI gov and potential Senate candidate. He yelled and screamed for a bit, he was pretty fired up, worked the crowd into a lather, "RUN TOMMY RUN" chants and the like... Then he announced he wouldn't be running, and a lot of the life kind of went out of the crowd.

As for how many people were there, I have no idea. A speaker at first said it was more than the 5,000 last year, then the next speaker said to him it looked like 10,000 were there, then the last one said around 12,000. I highly doubt that, but turnout was pretty high.
 
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Good call.

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”
 
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By far the worst was the Thomas Jefferson impersonator, why? Who thought that was a good idea?

Hey, Jefferson impersonators need work too! All those Patrick Henry impersonators getting all the good jobs and all the Ben Franklin ones getting all the bachelorette party gigs.
 
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So I went to the Tea Party today in Madison, WI. Talk about a Bizzaro world, walking down to the capital and seeing Republican pins and stickers, had to double check and make sure I was still in Madison.

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Sounds par for the course for most political rallies. A few legitimate points marginalized by a bunch of overhyped shouting by people who need to switch to decaf. The only thing that changes is whether it leans right or left.
 
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I know, I was pulling your chain for the mousal figure of speech. Although the map of "major cities" is quite striking in contrast to today with yer Miamis, Atlantas and Houstons.
My real bone to pick (which you have also refuted, to your credit) is with the typical unthinking liberal assumption that every conservative is a "Deliverance" villian whose main goal is to bring back slavery. I'm conservative, and I think the only modern societal evil exceeding slavery in destructiveness is legal abortion.
And Lincoln had an awful lot in common with GW Bush, especially if you compare the coverage of opposition newspaper editors. If anything, he would be seen as too conservative to be elected today.

More like segregation and Jim Crow than slavery. And I found it funny that it was the south democrats that eventually switched sides to become the republican "social" conservatives.

I was watching a writer blaming Reagan and the southern conservatives for the new Jim Crow laws (war on drugs) and I dismissed it offhand, till she brought some numbers to back it up.

Maybe it wasn't meant to create a 2nd class citizen that you can legally discriminate against but the outcome is striking mostly because how it's enforced. And we've made large black population into criminal citizen with our drug laws even though the sale/usage rate % is similar.

Now I just need to find a candidate, that supports gun rights, death penalty, abortion, balanced budget, legalize drugs (marijuana, cocaine etc), universal health care and consumer protection before bank profits.
 
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And we've made large black population into criminal citizen with our drug laws even though the sale/usage rate % is similar.
No "WE" didn't. They did by selling and doing drugs... If you don't want to be a criminal don't break the law... It's pretty simple. You can't pick the laws your want to follow... Don't like the law than do something about the law... You are just making excuses.
 
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Now I just need to find a candidate, that supports gun rights, death penalty, abortion, balanced budget, legalize drugs (marijuana, cocaine etc), universal health care and consumer protection before bank profits.

Why don't you just run? :p
 
Which is why I've always had big questions for the gay "rights" movement: Why is proclaiming your sexual preference anyone else's business? Why should we know ANYTHING about your sex life? Why should other people be forced to acknowledge and tolerate what you do behind closed doors? Seriously, the couple two doors down from me are swingers (or used to be). Fine. Great. Grand. Only reason I know is because I bartended at a swingers convention about 10 years ago and saw him there. I don't care that they are swingers, and when he stops by for a beer when the garage door is open and the Stanley Cup playoffs are on, he doesn't talk about his swinging sex life--and I don't talk about mine. Why not? BECAUSE IT'S NO ONE ELSE'S BUSINESS. Yet, because someone proclaims to have an attraction to someone of the same sex (or prefers to dress in clothing of the opposite sex, or is attracted to both genders, or believes they are members of both genders, etc, etc, etc) it suddenly everyone has to know and be OK with it, and the behaviors associated with it, lest they be tagged as a bigot.

I don't know any gays that go about proclaiming their sexuality in conversation. The rights movement is just that - a movement about rights.
 
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“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

And suddenly the light comes on.

one woman with a poster that said "I'm with stupid" and arrows pointing at all the other attendees.

That's awesome.
 
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Now I just need to find a candidate, that supports gun rights, death penalty, abortion, balanced budget, legalize drugs (marijuana, cocaine etc), universal health care and consumer protection before bank profits.

See Ventura, Jesse. :D
 
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I think it is a safe statement that there is broad (overwhelming) agreement among historians that this just isn't how the history of the parties has gone. Political scientists recognize 5 (or more) "systems" to describe the party alignments. Each system was dominated by different issues and did not have a very strong relationship to the prior alignment. The parties in the 1860's bear no relationship to today's -- as late as the 1920's there is still probably little or no relationship.

The coalitions of voters that grouped along those issue lines resemble today's (with the labels flip-flopped) in some ways: the Republican base was more urban, industrial and the "lenders" in the financial sector, the Democratic base was more rural, agricultural and "debtors."

I'm sure endless PhDs have been written to explain why the Great Flip-flop happened. The Democratic party during the New Deal was an unstable coalition between two mismatched, even adversarial interest groups, and eventually they would have been cleaved apart. The civil rights movement was what historically split them, but it was only a matter of time, and it didn't need to be about race at all.

If you want to see one difference, look at attitudes towards federalism. The Republicans were strongly federal -- strong enough to go to war to hold the union together. The Democrats were strongly confederal -- strong enough to claim to right to secede. Today, the party attitudes are exactly the opposite.

All institutions try to trace back to their Founders to claim additional legitimacy, but in this case neither the Republicans' claims to be the Party of Lincoln nor the Democrats' to be the Party of Jefferson hold any water.

Hate to agree with Kepler, but he is 100% correct in this analysis.

:eek:
 
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No "WE" didn't. They did by selling and doing drugs... If you don't want to be a criminal don't break the law... It's pretty simple. You can't pick the laws your want to follow... Don't like the law than do something about the law... You are just making excuses.

Yes but the problem lies when rules and laws aren't enforced equally. If you think everyone is punished equally under the law I have some oceanfront property to sell you in North Dakota.

I come from a family filled with lawyers and criminals I see it first hand :D
 
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The change was reportedly inspired, at least in part, by the ordeal a Florida family endured in 2007. Lisa Pond was stricken with a fatal brain aneurysm, and partner of 18 years, Janice Langbehn, and their four adopted children, were prohibited from seeing her. Langbehn had power of attorney for Pond, but officials still refused. Pond died before her loved ones were even allowed into her hospital room.

Last night, President Obama called Langbehn to tell her about his administration's new policy. "I was so humbled that he would know Lisa's name and know our story," Langbehn told the NYT. "He apologized for how we were treated. For the last three years, that's what I've been asking the hospital to do. Even now, three years later, they still refuse to apologize to the children and I for the fact that Lisa died alone."

A spokesperson for the Family Research Council, a leading anti-gay religious right group, characterized the policy shift as "pandering," and whined, "The memorandum undermines the definition of marriage." This is the same Family Research Council that recently labeled Obama "our first gay president."

Can someone explain to me how that still happens. She had power of attorney for cripes sake. And then explain to me how a group with "Family" in their name thinks it's ok that it happens.

Nice Planet.
 
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