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Obama Presidential Thread XIX: Starting a new chapter

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Handyman said:
They can't, that is why they are fat and have all sorts of fat related diseases. And I say this as someone who used to way ****ed near 70 pounds more than I do today. Why cook things or eat healthy when yo can go to Wendys and spend five bucks? People are lazy and stupid, you should know that by now ;)

If a city wants to make it tough for a McDonalds to move in isn't that their right? I guess I don't see your issue here. I don't want it federally mandated that such food is illegal but if some town wants to make it tough for them to set up shop who are you to say they can't? If the people get outraged they will just throw the bums out anyways or drive the next town over to get their saturated fat fix.
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So cities have a "right" to treat their citizens like helpless serfs? No chance this "concern for the health" of its citizens is a way of diverting attention from rampant crime, corruption and failing schools. Which are issues that strike me as more in the nature of what city governments exist to do. But your reference to "voting the bums out" convinces me you don't know much about what goes on in America's biggest cities. The bums are NEVER voted out. In part because they're always looking for new ways to infantalize citizens in the name of "protecting" them. While never dealing with the actual problems that afflict those citizens.

Congratulations on your weight loss. I am reminded however of the old expression, "no one's as chaste as a reformed wh*re". Be careful not to be too judgemental of your fellow man.
 
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Hennepin County (Minneapolis) is looking at banning smoking on every square inch of public property. I don't know of any other place that bans smoking outside. But its no biggie...Minnesota has often been pushing the envelope against smoking.
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I wish gutless, hypocritical libs would just come out in favor of criminalizing smoking. That would be the honest approach. Prohibition II would work about as well as Prohibition I did. Hidebound, self-congratulatory anti-smoking facists give me the trots. "Oooo, what a wonderful person I am, I'm against smoking. Superior in every way." Bosh.

And the Prime Directive for evry anti-smoking d*uche nozzel out there is never, ever, miss a chance to lecture the rest of the world about the evils of smoking and your superiority--fighting on the front lines and all.

I am so sick of monomaniacs: anti-smoking, pro or anti-abortion, "eating healthy" or whatever else consumes their every waking moment and makes them think their personal enthusiasms need to be enacted into law. Here's the thing. You aren't plugged in to some higher authority. You don't have a better understanding of how the world should work. You're just boring facists, who get your kicks pushing other people around. Please, leave us alone. If we want or need your help, we'll ask.
 
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Old Pio said:
I wish gutless, hypocritical libs would just come out in favor of criminalizing smoking. That would be the honest approach. Prohibition II would work about as well as Prohibition I did. Hidebound, self-congratulatory anti-smoking facists give me the trots. "Oooo, what a wonderful person I am, I'm against smoking. Superior in every way." Bosh.

And the Prime Directive for evry anti-smoking d*uche nozzel out there is never, ever, miss a chance to lecture the rest of the world about the evils of smoking and your superiority--fighting on the front lines and all.

I am so sick of monomaniacs: anti-smoking, pro or anti-abortion, "eating healthy" or whatever else consumes their every waking moment and makes them think their personal enthusiasms need to be enacted into law. Here's the thing. You aren't plugged in to some higher authority. You don't have a better understanding of how the world should work. You're just boring facists, who get your kicks pushing other people around. Please, leave us alone. If we want or need your help, we'll ask.
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Which is great mindset if you live in a libertarian utopia. But we don't. Your choices have an effect on my insurance rates and my taxes. I'll support your right to be a dumbass, but only so far as you don't then free ride off the healthy population.
 
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unofan said:
Which is great mindset if you live in a libertarian utopia. But we don't. Your choices have an effect on my insurance rates and my taxes. I'll support your right to be a dumbass, but only so far as you don't then free ride off the healthy population.
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I'll support your right to be a liberal, but only so far as you don't then free ride off the productive population.
 
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Bakunin said:
I'll support your right to be a liberal, but only so far as you don't then free ride off the productive population.
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Yes, it's all those liberals in Mississippi, Alabama etc that leech off the hard-working conservatives in New York and California. You've identified the problem!

And welcome to the liberal side unofan! We have a T-shirt and a hat for you.
 
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Old Pio said:
I wish gutless, hypocritical libs would just come out in favor of criminalizing smoking. That would be the honest approach. Prohibition II would work about as well as Prohibition I did. Hidebound, self-congratulatory anti-smoking facists give me the trots. "Oooo, what a wonderful person I am, I'm against smoking. Superior in every way." Bosh.
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I do understand the position of others 'telling us how to live'. But this is really a state and county rights issue.

The concept is that the feds cannot customize society to local preferences as well as states and counties. Hence if a Minnesota county wants to ban smoking...so be it...and if a Texas county wants to rewrite its history books...so be it. In both cases, folks can protest or move...just as some may move from Wisconsin due to perceived impacts on education. As McDonalds produces a menu and pricing and branding to advance its company and they compete against the competition...so do states with their public decisions. Your choice as a consumer of states and counties is to patronize a state or not...and choose to patronize a 'competing' state. The United States (and frankly the world now) is an open marketplace of public policy and society..and if folks don't like societal outcomes they can protest or freely move. Does this make sense?
 
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Priceless said:
Yes, it's all those liberals in Mississippi, Alabama etc that leech off the hard-working conservatives in New York and California. You've identified the problem!
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Congratulations on completely missing the point.
 
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Old Pio said:
So cities have a "right" to treat their citizens like helpless serfs? No chance this "concern for the health" of its citizens is a way of diverting attention from rampant crime, corruption and failing schools. Which are issues that strike me as more in the nature of what city governments exist to do. But your reference to "voting the bums out" convinces me you don't know much about what goes on in America's biggest cities. The bums are NEVER voted out. In part because they're always looking for new ways to infantalize citizens in the name of "protecting" them. While never dealing with the actual problems that afflict those citizens.

Congratulations on your weight loss. I am reminded however of the old expression, "no one's as chaste as a reformed wh*re". Be careful not to be too judgemental of your fellow man.
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To me I will always be the fat guy I was before I lost weight so I dont have that issue...plus I am judgmental anyways :D ;)

I agree the bums are never voted out (or more likely more bums get voted in) but cities zone for stuff like this all the time based on more than just what food they dislike and so on so I dont see much of a difference.

I also think fast food is a blight on the community (especially poor neighborhoods) and the health issues cost us (and by that I mean taxpayers, insurance carriers...etc) too much so I fully admit my bias on this one. I dont want the president or anyone to outlaw it, but if the mayor of Minneapolis wants to overcharge Burger King to put 2 more restaurants on the North Side or zones the area for something else I am not going to get mad about it either. That is a personal opinion though I understand a lot of people will disagree with that and accept it :)
 
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Old Pio said:
I wish gutless, hypocritical libs would just come out in favor of criminalizing smoking. That would be the honest approach. Prohibition II would work about as well as Prohibition I did. Hidebound, self-congratulatory anti-smoking facists give me the trots. "Oooo, what a wonderful person I am, I'm against smoking. Superior in every way." Bosh.

And the Prime Directive for evry anti-smoking d*uche nozzel out there is never, ever, miss a chance to lecture the rest of the world about the evils of smoking and your superiority--fighting on the front lines and all.

I am so sick of monomaniacs: anti-smoking, pro or anti-abortion, "eating healthy" or whatever else consumes their every waking moment and makes them think their personal enthusiasms need to be enacted into law. Here's the thing. You aren't plugged in to some higher authority. You don't have a better understanding of how the world should work. You're just boring facists, who get your kicks pushing other people around. Please, leave us alone. If we want or need your help, we'll ask.
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I am not worried about the piety of any of this stuff, nor people's rights to kill themselves BUT, smoking costs this country billions a year in lost time from work and healthcare costs...no smoker pays enough premiums to pay for their long-term care once they develop cancer etc. So, while I'm more of a free market guy, I could get behind banning smoking completely. We've discussed the tax revenue tradeoff but this isn't a sin tax, this is a death tax, we allow our country to waste billions a year and people to kill themselves so we can get some tax revenue...that doesn't make sense to me.

Years ago I reviewed an analysis that said the amount of federal assistance was roughly the equivalent of liquor and lottery sales in rural Maine...I'd conjecture that smoking is more prevalent in populations receiving federal aid...take that to the logical conclusion and some percentage of tax dollars are being used to buy cigarettes and pay the taxes, along with profits to tobacco and the resulting ehalthcare bills.
 
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unofan said:
Which is great mindset if you live in a libertarian utopia. But we don't. Your choices have an effect on my insurance rates and my taxes. I'll support your right to be a dumbass, but only so far as you don't then free ride off the healthy population.
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Why not just execute Americans who fail to follow your roadmap? I mean, there would be some costs involved but at the end of the day your precious insurance rates, affecrted as they are by the activities of free people in a free society would not increase quite as quickly and might even decrease. Clean. Tidy. Efficient. And once we've done away with all the smokers, we can start arresting people at Dunkin Donuts or Dairy Queen. It must be so frustrating for you, squatting there on top of your mountain, watching your fellow Americans "acting bad" all the time.
 
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pirate said:
I am not worried about the piety of any of this stuff, nor people's rights to kill themselves BUT, smoking costs this country billions a year in lost time from work and healthcare costs...no smoker pays enough premiums to pay for their long-term care once they develop cancer etc. So, while I'm more of a free market guy, I could get behind banning smoking completely. We've discussed the tax revenue tradeoff but this isn't a sin tax, this is a death tax, we allow our country to waste billions a year and people to kill themselves so we can get some tax revenue...that doesn't make sense to me.

Years ago I reviewed an analysis that said the amount of federal assistance was roughly the equivalent of liquor and lottery sales in rural Maine...I'd conjecture that smoking is more prevalent in populations receiving federal aid...take that to the logical conclusion and some percentage of tax dollars are being used to buy cigarettes and pay the taxes, along with profits to tobacco and the resulting ehalthcare bills.
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Well then, it's simple isn't it? Just pass enough laws and ordinances and hire enough cops and you can force Americans to behave in a way you (and the rest of the boring facists) think is "appropriate." It's possible to justify any encroachment on the rights of free people, especially using the tax/medical expense argument. That doesn't make it so. We should resist efforts to stop us from "acting bad" by governement.
 
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Old Pio said:
Why not just execute Americans who fail to follow your roadmap? I mean, there would be some costs involved but at the end of the day your precious insurance rates, affecrted as they are by the activities of free people in a free society would not increase quite as quickly and might even decrease. Clean. Tidy. Efficient. And once we've done away with all the smokers, we can start arresting people at Dunkin Donuts or Dairy Queen. It must be so frustrating for you, squatting there on top of your mountain, watching your fellow Americans "acting bad" all the time.
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Why not use genetics, why bother with food habits. Bad genes, see ya. Must be a tradeoff in there somewhere, when they smoke and their lifespan is shortened, the gov't doesn't have to pay out SS or Medicare. Someone needs to do a study to see which costs more, health care in a smoker or paying out benies to a healthy soul
 
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Handyman said:
To me I will always be the fat guy I was before I lost weight so I dont have that issue...plus I am judgmental anyways :D ;)

I agree the bums are never voted out (or more likely more bums get voted in) but cities zone for stuff like this all the time based on more than just what food they dislike and so on so I dont see much of a difference.

I also think fast food is a blight on the community (especially poor neighborhoods) and the health issues cost us (and by that I mean taxpayers, insurance carriers...etc) too much so I fully admit my bias on this one. I dont want the president or anyone to outlaw it, but if the mayor of Minneapolis wants to overcharge Burger King to put 2 more restaurants on the North Side or zones the area for something else I am not going to get mad about it either. That is a personal opinion though I understand a lot of people will disagree with that and accept it :)
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I don't like seeing very fat ladies wearing pink spandex pants at the airport. Maybe I can add that to your list and we can pass a law. And what about the hundreds of milliions of dollars we spend every year treating the victims of sports injuries? On one hand they're "acting good" by working out or competing. On the other, they're "acting bad" because they're clumsy or careless. Sounds like another situation requiring the dead hand of the law to fix, you ask me.
 
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walrus said:
Why not use genetics, why bother with food habits. Bad genes, see ya. Must be a tradeoff in there somewhere, when they smoke and their lifespan is shortened, the gov't doesn't have to pay out SS or Medicare. Someone needs to do a study to see which costs more, health care in a smoker or paying out benies to a healthy soul
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Yeah, and our friends in Germany left lots of research data we could use.
 
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Years ago in Omaha I encountered a text book anti-smoking facist on my talk show. She advised me she had a "thank you for not smoking" sign on her front door. I agreed with her that that would probably put all those people who sneak into her home when she's not there for a quick butt on notice that she didn't approve. But nowdays most smokers ask first. And even if someone did light up, she could flutter over there and tell 'em to put it out or go outside. Oh, the humanity.

The one purpose her sign did serve (she got testy when I asked her if it lit up), of course, was to announce to the world what a special person she was.
 
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Old Pio said:
I don't like seeing very fat ladies wearing pink spandex pants at the airport. Maybe I can add that to your list and we can pass a law. And what about the hundreds of milliions of dollars we spend every year treating the victims of sports injuries? On one hand they're "acting good" by working out or competing. On the other, they're "acting bad" because they're clumsy or careless. Sounds like another situation requiring the dead hand of the law to fix, you ask me.
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How exactly is a fat woman in spandex the same thing? One is something you dont like to see but has no repercussions besides you maybe throwing up. Fast food in urban areas is like a cancer...it is cheap and easy to get. Ya know what happens when you eat that stuff regularly...have ya seen the stats?

And plus I didnt say they should make it illegal...in fact I said I didnt want a law outlawing it, I said I had no issue if the mayor of Minneapolis made it tougher on them to set up shop. There is a huge leap between what you are talking about and what I said I supported...put on your bifocals old man and read a bit :D :p

And hey, the Nazis were just referenced...yippie!
 
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Ok seriously, it is to the point where I am believing none of these people actually know who the Nazis were or what they were about. Not everything you disagree with is akin to Nazism, Facism, Communism...etc.

I am sure somehow thinking that makes ME a Nazi though ;)
 
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