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Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now
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Anyone who thought that the troops would be pulled out of Iraq or Afghanistan based on what a presidential candidate said is in need of a reality check. It is an absolute that the troops will remain in place for a long time to come.
Anyone who thought that the troops would be pulled out of Iraq or Afghanistan based on what a presidential candidate said is in need of a reality check. It is an absolute that the troops will remain in place for a long time to come.
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But it sure sounds good when some one says they will bring them home soon
But it sure sounds good when some one says they will bring them home soon
ScoobyDoo
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Sure, lies to get votes and then the electorate just ends up angry. Unfortunately the Democrats had a decent candidate that didn't lie but that person didn't get the nomination.
I watched some Hannity last night. About 5 minutes, that's all I can take before puking. Given the red meat he was firing to the right last night (and given what I heard from my House Congressman on the radio this morning) I expect nothing to change. Status quo for the win.
Oh, and somebody dig me out of my grave when a new nuclear plant gets built in the US. I want to see it.
But it sure sounds good when some one says they will bring them home soon
Sure, lies to get votes and then the electorate just ends up angry. Unfortunately the Democrats had a decent candidate that didn't lie but that person didn't get the nomination.
I watched some Hannity last night. About 5 minutes, that's all I can take before puking. Given the red meat he was firing to the right last night (and given what I heard from my House Congressman on the radio this morning) I expect nothing to change. Status quo for the win.
Oh, and somebody dig me out of my grave when a new nuclear plant gets built in the US. I want to see it.
ScoobyDoo
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Let's put it this way. You don't see me opining about lazy, overweight, whipped rubes. Why? Because I don't know anything about them. Maybe it would be in your best interest not to get into South Asian and Military history for the same reason.
Let's put it this way. You don't see me opining about lazy, overweight, whipped rubes. Why? Because I don't know anything about them. Maybe it would be in your best interest not to get into South Asian and Military history for the same reason.
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Some of you really do need to get these malevolent thoughts analyzed and neutralized that are swirling around in your head.
Having said that, I'd give his speech a B-. A couple of good lines, and I appreciated him calling out both the Senate for not getting things done (was Reid listening?) and the GOP for having nothing to offer but filibusters.
What I want to see is action however. Simply put, the Dems should have in their pocket either the reconcilliation process for budgetary items or the nuclear option if needed for non-budgetory stuff. They don't have to use either, but if you recall Bill Frist raised the possibility when he was Majority Leader (over the subject of judges maybe???) and some accomodations ended up being made. If that's what it comes to, you can't be afraid to fight fire with fire.
Some of you really do need to get these malevolent thoughts analyzed and neutralized that are swirling around in your head.
Having said that, I'd give his speech a B-. A couple of good lines, and I appreciated him calling out both the Senate for not getting things done (was Reid listening?) and the GOP for having nothing to offer but filibusters.
What I want to see is action however. Simply put, the Dems should have in their pocket either the reconcilliation process for budgetary items or the nuclear option if needed for non-budgetory stuff. They don't have to use either, but if you recall Bill Frist raised the possibility when he was Majority Leader (over the subject of judges maybe???) and some accomodations ended up being made. If that's what it comes to, you can't be afraid to fight fire with fire.
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Quite honestly, I would feel quite a lot better about the Democrats if they did that. I may disagree with the actions they'd take (thinking specifically about health care), but at least I'd know that they believed in them strongly enough to fight for them, and I'd have some confidence that they'd have the strength/will to make changes in the future. The absolute worst case scenario would be to pass a bill now by a single vote that doesn't end up working but could never be changed.
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Didn't have time to catch the address...couple of thoughts.
I'm not a big fan of the whole deficit of trust angle. I think thats fine and good on the election trail, but once in office there should be some progress towards it. Although the economy is on its way back...we could have used some victories driven by govt action. Regardless, trust and hope are just hollow concepts...what's needed is delivery. And although not catastrophic as have been made in the past, there have been a handful of we'll just call them missteps that were choices and not accidents...that lead folks to wonder about decision making. IMO a healthcare battle now, slow to reduce our military commitments and forced restructuring of the financials.
Having said that, I'd still put Obama in the top half of admininstrations in the last generation. Its an opinion, but outside of the Clinton/Gingrich coalition there's not stiff competition. So I will not be making huge negative blanket statements about O for some time. That however could change if there's more talk of hope and trust...and a continuation of IMO wrong decisions.
Didn't have time to catch the address...couple of thoughts.
I'm not a big fan of the whole deficit of trust angle. I think thats fine and good on the election trail, but once in office there should be some progress towards it. Although the economy is on its way back...we could have used some victories driven by govt action. Regardless, trust and hope are just hollow concepts...what's needed is delivery. And although not catastrophic as have been made in the past, there have been a handful of we'll just call them missteps that were choices and not accidents...that lead folks to wonder about decision making. IMO a healthcare battle now, slow to reduce our military commitments and forced restructuring of the financials.
Having said that, I'd still put Obama in the top half of admininstrations in the last generation. Its an opinion, but outside of the Clinton/Gingrich coalition there's not stiff competition. So I will not be making huge negative blanket statements about O for some time. That however could change if there's more talk of hope and trust...and a continuation of IMO wrong decisions.
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Along those lines...
Ryan re-introducing GOP healthcare bill
Details of health care plan along with medicare, social security and taxes
Along those lines...
Ryan re-introducing GOP healthcare bill
Details of health care plan along with medicare, social security and taxes
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I watched the speech last night. First thought is they need to make a rule to ban standing ovations and applause. It makes the whole thing painfully long and almost impossible to watch.
Overall I thought is was a decent speech. It reminded me in some ways of his early campaign speeches.
I liked some of what he had to say, but like always I would like a bit more details. I can't stand it when he declares a program or a goal and uses "soon" as the time line. Blah. Might as well say never. He even did this with an executive orders issue.
Four best things about his speech:
1. Calling out the GOP is being nothing more than filibusters and that is not a way to govern.
2. Calling out both parties as putting themselves and politics first before American People.
3. Sticking it to the Supreme Court with a nice jab about campaign finance ruling.
4. Hopefully starting to get rid of don't ask don't tell.
I liked some of his other ideas about job creation and the economy. I am skeptical about reducing debt and yet increasing/creating programs. With a lack of details and with his track record so far, I am in a "believe it when I see it" mode.
Finally was the GOP response a complete waste of time or was it just me? The whole thing could have been summed up in one sentence: "We disagree with everything said tonight and will work against all of President Obama's agenda and will not work with the Democrats even on things that we might normally be OK with even if it is a detriment to the American People! "
I watched the speech last night. First thought is they need to make a rule to ban standing ovations and applause. It makes the whole thing painfully long and almost impossible to watch.
Overall I thought is was a decent speech. It reminded me in some ways of his early campaign speeches.
I liked some of what he had to say, but like always I would like a bit more details. I can't stand it when he declares a program or a goal and uses "soon" as the time line. Blah. Might as well say never. He even did this with an executive orders issue.
Four best things about his speech:
1. Calling out the GOP is being nothing more than filibusters and that is not a way to govern.
2. Calling out both parties as putting themselves and politics first before American People.
3. Sticking it to the Supreme Court with a nice jab about campaign finance ruling.
4. Hopefully starting to get rid of don't ask don't tell.
I liked some of his other ideas about job creation and the economy. I am skeptical about reducing debt and yet increasing/creating programs. With a lack of details and with his track record so far, I am in a "believe it when I see it" mode.
Finally was the GOP response a complete waste of time or was it just me? The whole thing could have been summed up in one sentence: "We disagree with everything said tonight and will work against all of President Obama's agenda and will not work with the Democrats even on things that we might normally be OK with even if it is a detriment to the American People! "
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Building new nuke plants is definitely a stimulus program I could get behind. That would actually create kick-butt infrastructure, ease our dependence on foreign oil, reduce the trade deficit, and reduce carbon emissions (if that's your thing). The federal government should just build them as a stimulus program and then auction them off to private power companies.
Won't happen.
Building new nuke plants is definitely a stimulus program I could get behind. That would actually create kick-butt infrastructure, ease our dependence on foreign oil, reduce the trade deficit, and reduce carbon emissions (if that's your thing). The federal government should just build them as a stimulus program and then auction them off to private power companies.
Won't happen.
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I think I'm ready to give Barry another chance. You know, he only wants what's best for me; I'm just not quite smart enough to understand what he's saying half the time. He's really smart. And cute. He just wants to take good care of me, so I don't have to worry. And he loves my big beautiful tax cuts (although my ex, George, still hasn't paid for that surgery). And his nuclear power, and budget trimming talk make me hot. I know he cheated on me with that German slut and that French whore. But he deserves another chance. Tiger Woods got another chance, why shouldn't Barry?
I think I'm ready to give Barry another chance. You know, he only wants what's best for me; I'm just not quite smart enough to understand what he's saying half the time. He's really smart. And cute. He just wants to take good care of me, so I don't have to worry. And he loves my big beautiful tax cuts (although my ex, George, still hasn't paid for that surgery). And his nuclear power, and budget trimming talk make me hot. I know he cheated on me with that German slut and that French whore. But he deserves another chance. Tiger Woods got another chance, why shouldn't Barry?
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Well the problem though is doesnt it take forever to build a plant? I mean it isnt like they could get approved tomorrow and then in 2 years have a fully functional plant could they? I ask seriously because I have no idea.
Well the problem though is doesnt it take forever to build a plant? I mean it isnt like they could get approved tomorrow and then in 2 years have a fully functional plant could they? I ask seriously because I have no idea.
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Well seriously, we gave millions to research "Clean Coal" which is a fraud and doesn't even exist yet...I guess I would prefer we gave that to Nuclear. But what do I know, I am just a citizen...I elect people to speak for me...man I wish they did!
Well seriously, we gave millions to research "Clean Coal" which is a fraud and doesn't even exist yet...I guess I would prefer we gave that to Nuclear. But what do I know, I am just a citizen...I elect people to speak for me...man I wish they did!
ScoobyDoo
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This is where a Federal Energy Policy would really help. Nuclear is cleaner, and can be efficient and cheap. But we'd rather spout platitudes about "clean coal" even though it's the same as "clean ****" it doesn't exist.
I don't think there's anything "easy" about doing nuclear for the power companies. Takes a long time to build, there's lots of cheap dirty coal to burn and we can build those plants in a couple of minutes, etc. etc. etc.
This is where a Federal Energy Policy would really help. Nuclear is cleaner, and can be efficient and cheap. But we'd rather spout platitudes about "clean coal" even though it's the same as "clean ****" it doesn't exist.
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According to this it takes 3 years to complete the physical build. All the red tape is what makes the overall process take so long.
According to this it takes 3 years to complete the physical build. All the red tape is what makes the overall process take so long.
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However, if the Feds came in and mandated that the plants be built, all that gets swept away. Realistically, it's probably 5 years to build a plant even without unnecessary red tape, so it's not overnight, but still within the timeframe to make a difference.
Exactly. It's hard/impossible for private companies to build nuke plants, because of the local, state, and federal bureaucracy. And special interest groups who know how to stall the local, state, and federal approvals processes.
However, if the Feds came in and mandated that the plants be built, all that gets swept away. Realistically, it's probably 5 years to build a plant even without unnecessary red tape, so it's not overnight, but still within the timeframe to make a difference.
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MinnFan,
Kindly post the CBO analysis of how much this reduces the deficit and how many more people it covers.
Regarding nuclear power, unless the gubmint is footing the bill there's no hope of getting any new ones built. 1st of all, no bank in its right mind will loan the money for a risky project who's cost most likely is greater than the total market cap of the energy company that owns or operates it. 2nd, the insurance on such a thing, again unless the gov is backing it 100% in case of a catastrophe, will be non-existent.
What the government ought to do, and I don't see why this never gets discussed, is expand output at existing plants. Think about it - less costs because you're not starting from scratch, less NIMBY'ism as location is already selected and operational, no need for new evacuation plans, bribery of local officials, etc. A far more realistic endeavor, and once this is done a new assessment could be made to see if any additional capacity is needed.
Regarding energy, I think Obama is missing an opportunity to package this correctly. Instead of labeling it a "clean energy/cap & trade" thing, he needs to label it "energy independence" of which clean energy is a big part of. Its a lot tougher arguing to keep kowtowing down to Middle East oil countries than to claim global warming doesn't exist.
MinnFan,
Kindly post the CBO analysis of how much this reduces the deficit and how many more people it covers.
Regarding nuclear power, unless the gubmint is footing the bill there's no hope of getting any new ones built. 1st of all, no bank in its right mind will loan the money for a risky project who's cost most likely is greater than the total market cap of the energy company that owns or operates it. 2nd, the insurance on such a thing, again unless the gov is backing it 100% in case of a catastrophe, will be non-existent.
What the government ought to do, and I don't see why this never gets discussed, is expand output at existing plants. Think about it - less costs because you're not starting from scratch, less NIMBY'ism as location is already selected and operational, no need for new evacuation plans, bribery of local officials, etc. A far more realistic endeavor, and once this is done a new assessment could be made to see if any additional capacity is needed.
Regarding energy, I think Obama is missing an opportunity to package this correctly. Instead of labeling it a "clean energy/cap & trade" thing, he needs to label it "energy independence" of which clean energy is a big part of. Its a lot tougher arguing to keep kowtowing down to Middle East oil countries than to claim global warming doesn't exist.
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