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Obama 9 -- Its Been a Whole Year Now

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Is this the bill that costs $800 billion, and doesn't insure any more people?

will that be any better than the one that costs 2 trillion with plans to manage grandma to a more cost effective health result maintenance? (or as we used to call it, "death")
 
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While you're working on that, I'll tackle this tangent. Obama proposed to cut 1.3T from the budget according to the CBO if the health care proposal goes through.

you already know this number a cooked figure... why do you bother believing it?

He's got another 250Bn lined up for freezing spending on certain items, and then whatever letting Bush's tax cuts for campaign contributors expire.

Certain items... he'll expand other items so how is that an improvement... "see we won't cut through the bone, we'll merely pierce it... see, better!"

Add in savings from getting out of Iraq and we're around 2T in deficit reduction.

Sadly that will make an improvement... it'll also kill liberal internationalism as we know it and bring in the era of liberal selfishness as we now see it... there will be no more international noble ventures aside from disaster outreach.
 
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Rover,

Since you worship at the shrine of the CBO, why haven't you jumped down Obama's throat on drastically cutting spending as they said was necessary?

I wonder what the CBO value of the final health care bill will be... will Rover donate his own personal money to help cover the difference?
 
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Building new nuke plants is definitely a stimulus program I could get behind. That would actually create kick-butt infrastructure, ease our dependence on foreign oil, reduce the trade deficit, and reduce carbon emissions (if that's your thing). The federal government should just build them as a stimulus program and then auction them off to private power companies.

Won't happen.

Of course not... it would hinder the Democrat's luddite constituency and the entire anti-science wing of the party... which again brings to fore the lie of the smart power of the democratic party.

That's why you have the government auction them off at the end - I don't mind the gubmint kick starting the process to get over the inertia, but I don't really want them running the plants long-term. Any private sector whiner types are welcome to go out and raise the capital to buy a nice, newly built plant. If they don't (and "lose" because of it) then it's their fault.

Do you really need the gov't to do this? I'd rather see this be handled as a loan situation... even then I think its more a matter of removing the roadblocks that are in place more than providing the funds. I am under the impression that there's quite a few $$$ out there to do it and such... what you might see is groups trying to use the gov't to fend each other off. As far as I understand it the current generation of nuclear plants are fairly standard and safe... you just have to make sure they have to meet those already set standards.

It'll be better for our country in the long haul as it will improve our trade situation. But this won't happen as we have to satisfy the democrat's luddite constituency. That's the reason for most of the regulations in the first place... because otherwise there's no legitimate justification to block these things.

edit: i will say that the fact the Bush admin didn't push this should be struck as a failure against then... yeah, "oil money" so on... don't care... its a mark on them regardless of how in the pockets they may be of others... the "oil money" only matters if you don't agitate. Just because Bush is in oil money doesn't mean he's going to lace shut your own pie hole.
 
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Of course not... it would hinder the Democrat's luddite constituency and the entire anti-science wing of the party... which again brings to fore the lie of the smart power of the democratic party.
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Anti-Science wing of the party? You really want to play that card?
 
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you really are an idiot. no wonder girls dont like you.

I think Patman's sailed waaayyyy beyond idiot stage at this point and is now residing in the same far away fantasy land that Handyman calls home. ;)
 
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I think Patman's sailed waaayyyy beyond idiot stage at this point and is now residing in the same far away fantasy land that Handyman calls home. ;)

Takes a lot of balls to insult someone when you think they can't read it...oh wait that is right I forgot to tell you I took you off ignore!

Of course my fantasyland is way more grounded in reality than yours will ever be :)
 
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will that be any better than the one that costs 2 trillion with plans to manage grandma to a more cost effective health result maintenance? (or as we used to call it, "death")

And which plan would that be, pray tell?

you see that 4th quarter economic growth? 5.7%? Too bad Obama hasn't done anything to get the economy moving again. At least, that's the word from the wingnuts.
 
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And which plan would that be, pray tell?

you see that 4th quarter economic growth? 5.7%? Too bad Obama hasn't done anything to get the economy moving again. At least, that's the word from the wingnuts.
Well, yeah - now that businesses have confidence that Obama isn't going to get what he wants! :D
 
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Sadly that will make an improvement... it'll also kill liberal internationalism as we know it and bring in the era of liberal selfishness as we now see it... there will be no more international noble ventures aside from disaster outreach.
Good. The rest of the world doesn't want our "noble ventures" and those ventures cost too much regardless of any country's wants. If we're attacked, then we should go out to our attacker, kick the ever-loving snot out of them, and then come home. Let them sort out the mess they started. Our interests in the world should only be that which will aid our economic interests and disaster outreach.

I'm sick of this war in Afghanistan. Their govt supported the people who attacked us, so we retaliated. Good. Then we should have left. Eliminate the threats, send a message loud and clear that we're not be pi***d off, and then come home. Allow that country to develop as its people decide is best.

The war in Iraq proved long ago that it was a mistake. The false impetus for the war, the continued insurgencies - it all spells out that we should ramp up the training of the government's military and get out. It's a mistake we made, and therefore owe it to the country to help get it back on its feet, then we need to get out ASAP while wishing them the best of luck.

We should not be the world's police, or the world's conscience. If we want to be the conscience of the world, set it through economic policy. We can either trade with a country or find another trading partner, based upon our view of that nation. It's that simple. It's that complicated.
 
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We should not be the world's police, or the world's conscience. If we want to be the conscience of the world, set it through economic policy. We can either trade with a country or find another trading partner, based upon our view of that nation. It's that simple. It's that complicated.

You'd think it wouldn't be that difficult. Chill out, back off and let international economics and culture do the rest. Part of the problem is that our lense of what we know of the world is bent.

In Asia, the former Soviet Union and Africa, economics, the internet and culture has been the real domino effect. And now parts of the middle east are under siege...just let it work and save our money and personel in the process.
 
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Not sure what to make of this. Methinks you could read this as a glass half empty or half full.

BREAKING: The Democrat-controlled Virginia Senate has passed a bill on a 23 to 17 vote making it illegal to require an individual to purchase health insurance, a direct challenge to the party's efforts in Washington to reform health care. More to come.
 
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They don't have anything better to do in Virginia? :rolleyes:

Handtruck to hell. Handtruck to hell.
 
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Interesting article from a female, black, Sociology professor, after Obama was elected president. (This is from Casey's Daily Dispatch.)

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Anne Wortham is a member of the American Sociological Association and the American Philosophical Association.

She has been a John M. Olin Foundation Faculty Fellow, and honored as a Distinguished Alumni of the Year by the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education.

In fall 1988 she was one of a select group of intellectuals who were featured in Bill Moyer's television series, "A World of Ideas." The transcript of her conversation with Moyers has been published in his book, A World of Ideas.

Dr. Wortham is author of "The Other Side of Racism: A Philosophical Study of Black Race Consciousness" which analyzes how race consciousness is transformed into political strategies and policy issues.

She has published numerous articles on the implications of individual rights for civil rights policy, and is currently writing a book on theories of social and cultural marginality.

Recently, she has published articles on the significance of multiculturalism and Afrocentricism in education, the politics of victimization and the social and political impact of political correctness. Shortly after an interview in 2004, she was awarded tenure.

The following article by her is something…

Fellow Americans,

Please know: I am Black; I grew up in the segregated South. I did not vote for Barack Obama; I wrote in Ron Paul's name as my choice for president. Most importantly, I am not race conscious. I do not require a Black president to know that I am a person of worth, and that life is worth living. I do not require a Black president to love the ideal of America.

I cannot join you in your celebration. I feel no elation. There is no smile on my face. I am not jumping with joy. There are no tears of triumph in my eyes. For such emotions and behavior to come from me, I would have to deny all that I know about the requirements of human flourishing and survival - all that I know about the history of the United States of America, all that I know about American race relations, and all that I know about Barack Obama as a politician. I would have to deny the nature of the "change" that Obama asserts has come to America.


Most importantly, I would have to abnegate my certain understanding that you have chosen to sprint down the road to serfdom that we have been on for over a century. I would have to pretend that individual liberty has no value for the success of a human life. I would have to evade your rejection of the slender reed of capitalism on which your success and mine depend. I would have to think it somehow rational that 94 percent of the 12 million Blacks in this country voted for a man because he looks like them (that Blacks are permitted to play the race card), and that they were joined by self-declared "progressive" whites who voted for him because he doesn't look like them.

I would have to wipe my mind clean of all that I know about the kind of people who have advised and taught Barack Obama and will fill posts in his administration - political intellectuals like my former colleagues at the Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government..

I would have to believe that "fairness" is equivalent of justice. I would have to believe that a man who asks me to "go forward in a new spirit of service, in a new service of sacrifice" is speaking in my interest.. I would have to accept the premise of a man that economic prosperity comes from the "bottom up," and who arrogantly believes that he can will it into existence by the use of government force. I would have to admire a man who thinks the standard of living of the masses can be improved by destroying the most productive and the generators of wealth.

Finally, Americans, I would have to erase from my consciousness the scene of 125,000 screaming, crying, cheering people in Grant Park, Chicago irrationally chanting "Yes We Can!" Finally, I would have to wipe all memory of all the times I have heard politicians, pundits, journalists, editorialists, bloggers and intellectuals declare that capitalism is dead - and no one, including especially Alan Greenspan, objected to their assumption that the particular version of the anti-capitalistic mentality that they want to replace with their own version of anti-capitalism is anything remotely equivalent to capitalism.

So you have made history, Americans. You and your children have elected a Black man to the office of the president of the United States, the wounded giant of the world. The battle between John Wayne and Jane Fonda is over - and that Fonda won. Eugene McCarthy and George McGovern must be very happy men. Jimmie Carter, too. And the Kennedys have at last gotten their Kennedy look-a-like. The self-righteous welfare statists in the suburbs can feel warm moments of satisfaction for having elected a Black person.

So, toast yourselves: 60s countercultural radicals, 80s yuppies and 90s bourgeois bohemians.. Toast yourselves, Black America. Shout your glee Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Duke, Stanford, and Berkeley. You have elected not an individual who is qualified to be president, but a Black man who, like the pragmatist Franklin Roosevelt, promises to - Do Something! You now have someone who has picked up the baton of Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. But you have also foolishly traded your freedom and mine - what little there is left - for the chance to feel good.

There is nothing in me that can share your happy obliviousness. God Help Us all...
 
Anti-Democratic biotching is interesting? If your take is that it's because she's black, that's no more interesting than a white, male who is successful in business not buying what the current crop of Republicans in DC are selling.
 
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Anti-Democratic biotching is interesting? If your take is that it's because she's black, that's no more interesting than a white, male who is successful in business not buying what the current crop of Republicans in DC are selling.

*psst* Don't tell him the head of the national GOP is a black man. I don't think he could contain himself.
 
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Anti-Democratic biotching is interesting? If your take is that it's because she's black, that's no more interesting than a white, male who is successful in business not buying what the current crop of Republicans in DC are selling.

Uh-huh. And did 90% of white businessmen vote for the last white guy to run? I don't think so. THAT'S why it's interesting, because it's so far outside the expected norm.
 
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