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Checking historical records for the Weimer Republic.... Will have to get back to you.That's brilliant!
(I'd love to see others, though. Burkina Faso. What's the lowest a credit score can be?)
But back to the stereotypes thingie - I've given it the same thought. Yet on that note, are you equally willing to accept the less than flattering stereotypes some have waged toward conservatives? If you're not sure what they are, I'm sure Rover could name some.
That's my point, though. "You DO love apple pie, don't you?!" becomes something very different when it's at the end of an argument that's degenerated.
As for the rest, much of it seems to be predicated on assumptions I wasn't making that you're simply a blind patriot. I was saying precisely that since you are NOT a blind patriot you can see that working to hold a country to its principles is a patriotic act.
As for the various fetishes of the left and right, pointing out one doesn't disregard the other. Personally I think all the talk about a supposed liberal fetish for Obama is either silly or ignores that the right has had a blue-veiner for Reagan for 30 years -- well beyond the warnings when you are supposed to consult your doctor.
The left's comparable fetish to the right's militaristic worship of "The Nation" is an utterly un-reflective guilt-ridden worship of either "The Underprivileged" when they want to be paternalistic (welfare, health care) or "Humanity" when they want a slice of that pie (the arts, environmentalism, feminism, gay rights).
A funny shared fetish is "The Working Man." When a righty says this he really means "The Tax Payer," and he's including Ken Lay. When a lefty says it he's really saying "The Proletariat" (though you can't say that outside of a sociology class without having your house egged).
Obviously both sides are equally full of BS and hypocrisy. We're all just part of "Humanity," after all.
My post things you responded to had nothing to do with the mission of the ACORN organization, it had to do with their employees. Two completely different things. The one comment about ACORN's mission I will make is that apparently their mission has nothing to do with having a workforce with high character and any semblence of integrity.
Other than that, I continue to have no interest in ACORN's mission. If you would like to address what I was actually talking about, you may try again at any point.
You're talking about ACORN's mission here. See above.
I'm allowed to bring up my own points right? You see, they became part of the discussion when I used them as a comparison to ACORN employees. So don't worry, you didn't miss anything.
And once again.... I have been talking about the employees from the outset as opposed to ACORN's mission or voter registration drives in general or whatever it is that you're talking about. That's where your confusion lies. Knowing that, I'm sure you now understand why voter registration fraud cannot be ignored in any way about a discussion of ACORN's employees. HARDLY a "gotcha" moment when you're actually addressing what I'm talking about. (And I do believe I know what the label du jour is for me.
I guess it comes down to if you view the employees who got caught with the voter fraud or the prostitution stuff as representative of the entire organization or not. Certainly those employees, who would rather falsify registration or give advice to fake pimps, are not those willing to put their community or their country ahead of themselves and would more likely than not have a negative answer to your question. But I don't have any evidence that the vast majority of the organization would think in the same way, especially given the communities and people they're working with I'd say they'd have to have a pretty positive outlook to want to keep doing it. Just because they're not exactly the people I'd likely want to have a beer with and they might push for some political goals that I may not champion or may even disagree with doesn't mean I feel they have malice towards this country. In the end, though, I think we're each gonna see different ways on this, so who the hell knows?
Excellent advice. I shall start by not responding to this particular post of yours.
Yeah because blowing off a couple national 5-alarm fires to take a couple days to inappropriately use the Presidency to hook up his hometown buddies with the Olympiad and do some Danish sightseeing isn't newsworthy at all. How petty for us to point out the indulgences of The One. Good point, buddy.
There's a phone on the desk in the Oval Office, I saw it in a picture. Why can't the clown just make a call?
Some people worry too much (them not you). Not only did it seem to be fairly innocuous at the time, but it wasn't exactly a blockbuster that took over the country. iirc it was more of a teenage cult film than anything.
