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Obama 10: Rahm it through.....even in the shower.

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WeWantMore said:
The Seattle Times claims that a rock was thrown through Democratic Congressman Steve Driehaus' office.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2011432285_healthreat25.html

One problem with that idea? Mr. Driehaus' office is on the 30th floor of the office building, and his staff say that story is not true.


Some of the violence being carried out by right-wingers is real, and it is reprehensible. But please, let's not all get caught up in the media hysteria.
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While I agree about not getting caught up in the media hysteria, it's apparently not just "right-wingers" that are getting violent:

Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor said Thursday that his Richmond campaign office has been shot at and that he's received "threatening e-mails" -- but at the same time the House minority whip accused top Democrats of trying to exploit the threats they've been receiving for "political gain."
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Bronco said:
So who should pay for this? All I hear is complaints on this and that, and nothing saying a solution.

As for the previous point, indeed it isn't required for everyone to be treated, but the big noose around the neck is the guy having the heart attack without the money to pay for it, not the wino with the sniffles.
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First law of economics - corporations pay no taxes. All costs are passed on to the consumer.

I THINK I saw that the fine for non participation in health care by a business is $2,000 / employee. Forgive me for being naive, but if it is currently costing a business more than $2,000 / employee for health care, why would anyone keep their corporate plan?
 
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joecct said:
First law of economics - corporations pay no taxes. All costs are passed on to the consumer.

I THINK I saw that the fine for non participation in health care by a business is $2,000 / employee. Forgive me for being naive, but if it is currently costing a business more than $2,000 / employee for health care, why would anyone keep their corporate plan?
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Bingo. Thats why there are estimates that 100M people will be put onto the gov't plan as soon as it is fully enacted.
 
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joecct said:
First law of economics - corporations pay no taxes. All costs are passed on to the consumer.

I THINK I saw that the fine for non participation in health care by a business is $2,000 / employee. Forgive me for being naive, but if it is currently costing a business more than $2,000 / employee for health care, why would anyone keep their corporate plan?
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The Corporations would keep health insurance plan to get better employees. I am sure you understand that employees want more compensation, and health insurance is part of that. Unless all/most corporations give up their health insurance plans which I don't think will happen.
 
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Here's a fascinating equation from a story about the global warming scam post-mortem. Face up to your own political mirror image!
i.e. Barry Oh! = Sarah Palin (dangerous extremist or fearless leader?)
Rover = SPIN CONTROL (screaming idiot or vocal champion?)
Kepler = MinnFan (smart analysis or partisan operator?)
Priceless = moe24 (biting sarcasm or stupidity?)
ScoobyDoo = Jon (senseless blather or, um... OK we all agree here)
etc.
 
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moe24 said:
Typical liberal thinking. The only way to fix things for the have nots is to ruin it for the haves. :rolleyes:
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Notice how none of the lefties have commented on that? They really don't care about industry leaving, unless the GOP is in control - only then do we hear about all those jobs going overseas.

The insidious truth is that CAT and JD will just pay the penalty imposed by the Dems and enforced by one of the 17,000 new IRS agents. Then all those people will be off private health plans and on the government plan - which is what this is all about at the end of the day.

Bronco said:
So who should pay for this? All I hear is complaints on this and that, and nothing saying a solution.

As for the previous point, indeed it isn't required for everyone to be treated, but the big noose around the neck is the guy having the heart attack without the money to pay for it, not the wino with the sniffles.
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Rhetorical question - why should you be responsible to pay for my healthcare and why should I be responsible for yours? What happened to philanthropy...or your family....or other responsible people that can support you if you need healthcare?

rufus said:
How much you suppose the ER charges just to "evaluate" them?
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Nothing. First you get triaged - if it's serious, then you get checked in and seen. Otherwise you head for the door.

Bill said:
It looks like Social Security is running into trouble earlier than the CBO had predicted:

http://www.businessinsider.com/social-security-goes-bust-2010-3
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What's new? Every social / entitlement program this country has implemented has failed miserably.

ericredaxe said:
I'm for reform too. I like some of what is in the new law, not all, and from what I have read about it, I do think they could have done better.

Having been fairly close to some people who work in a couple of different ER though I do have to comment..... you are very correct that not everyone gets taken to the ER by ambulance. However, while it may not be law (I don't know what the law is), in practice everyone gets seen at the ER insurance or not... it may not be the "end all be all" of the treatment they need. But everyone gets seen and treated to some extent... broken bones, ear infections, heart attacks, drug seekers faking pain trying to get narcotics, colds, cancer, toothaches, rashes, lacerations etc etc...

The uninsured showing up at Emergency Rooms is a major problem IMO... and guess who pays for it? Not the doctors and nurses, the hospital does not eat the costs... those costs get figured in to their overall billing rates and ultimately passed onto those of us who do have and pay for insurance.
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I agree, but why not reverse parts or all of EMTALA and re-write the legislation? Maybe people will start taking better care of themselves - then we can focus on those of us who *truly* need medical aid and financial aid to cover related expenses.

ETA - IMO, it's no different than our welfare system. We reward bad behavior. I don't want to reward an unemployed person on welfare by giving him/her more money for each additional child they have while they're still on welfare, nor do I want to pay for healthcare for an alcoholic or chain smoker that refuses to quit.

Wol4ine said:
Gosh Scooby, you still stuck on that NCLB? Are you some teacher that got fired because your students couldn't learn or do you just plain hate all things Bush?

"Spy on grandma"? Now who's fear mongering?
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Scooby couldn't get out of the past if he was Dr. Who.
 
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dropthatpuck said:
What's new? Every social / entitlement program this country has implemented has failed miserably.

Scooby couldn't get out of the past if he was Dr. Who.
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Sure. Every one. Abysmal failure. That's why the "tea party" folks were screaming the loudest to not touch their Medicare. "We don't want the government messing with our Medicare.", they said.

I'm all for abolishing all of it. Said as much many times.

If you don't learn from the past you're doomed to repeat it. I'd say the biggest problem with this country right now is the government never admits a mistake. They pass big legislation and then they spend huge piles of money to "fix" the problem instead of cutting the tumor out. Plenty of examples to cite. The tax code, Medicare, Social Security, NCLB, War (we're still in Germany for cripes sake), Immigration. All of it.

But, whatever you do. Don't touch my Medicare.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Sure. Every one. Abysmal failure. That's why the "tea party" folks were screaming the loudest to not touch their Medicare. "We don't want the government messing with our Medicare.", they said.
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You're actually using the tea baggers as a argument for something?? Hahahahahahaha! :D
 
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The stock market sure has taken a hit since the health care reform passed.
 
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MattS said:
You're actually using the tea baggers as a argument for something?? Hahahahahahaha! :D
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Much like most things I'm not for or against it. In its present form (like most politicians) I would have voted for it only if it got lots of pork for my state.

It had a few things in the bill that have been sorely needed for decades but swept under the rug. We have some of the WORST regulatory agencies in the world. Over burdensome as far as following the law is concerned in most cases, over expensive, and too loose or unenforceable in cases where regulation is sorely needed. I would have concentrated my efforts there.
 
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geezer said:
case in point; you just made that name up. (or the search function doesn't work)
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It's probably for the best that you know nothing of Hokydad and his joyless war against area clowns
 
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dropthatpuck said:
Yes, aren't jobless recoveries just GREAT!!!
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Construction labor unemployment is 27%:eek: No wonder I see no work going on and no wonder I don't have any either.Anything going on in other parts of New England?
 
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walrus said:
Construction labor unemployment is 27%:eek: No wonder I see no work going on and no wonder I don't have any either.Anything going on in other parts of New England?
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They keep digging up part of my street.

Yeah.
 
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CBO: Debt will rise to 90% of GDP within 10 years.
(to head off the obvious unthinking comeback) Continued complaints about Bush being the root of all evil may be valid opinions; his unfunded spending went above and beyond responsible levels, as has become the norm.
But face it: the US has never experienced anything like what is going on with this new administration, and it's not at all clear the country will survive it. really. The damage is becoming incredible. We are the fiscal Haiti of the next decade.
 
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