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Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
- Thread starter Tater
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Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
I'm still here from time to time.
My take:
After the initial shock, it's not all that surprising. There has been smoke for a while about ND not being happy with Hockey East, and at least among the fans, it seems like the feeling is mutual. The travel is part of it, there's also been a sense of our style of play not fitting into the conference—which I think is partly about Jackson being forced out of a comfort zone where he had a pretty good idea what mix of players he needed to be successful in the CCHA. That, I think, was changing a bit, as the team has taken on more of an "eastern" look this year with more mobile, puck-moving defensemen (and while I'm on the subject, Jordan Gross was robbed in terms of conference recognition).
Selfishly, I'll miss the opportunity to see ND games when the Irish play on the road in the Boston area, and I'll miss the level of competition. On the other hand, I think it's great for the program to be able to rekindle rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, and to an extent (going back quite a few years) Wisconsin. I haven't been in the area to go to ND home games, but from what I hear, as good as the Hockey East schools are, they don't have the cachet with the casual fans that the BTHC teams have, which has hurt attendance and buzz in the arena.
Disagree strongly on fit for the non-hockey sports.
Yep.
I don't see the issue. This deal wasn't on the table the last time decisions were made. Now that there's a chance to revisit, the BTHC is a better deal because of the rivalries. Why is this difficult?
I'm still here from time to time.
My take:
After the initial shock, it's not all that surprising. There has been smoke for a while about ND not being happy with Hockey East, and at least among the fans, it seems like the feeling is mutual. The travel is part of it, there's also been a sense of our style of play not fitting into the conference—which I think is partly about Jackson being forced out of a comfort zone where he had a pretty good idea what mix of players he needed to be successful in the CCHA. That, I think, was changing a bit, as the team has taken on more of an "eastern" look this year with more mobile, puck-moving defensemen (and while I'm on the subject, Jordan Gross was robbed in terms of conference recognition).
Selfishly, I'll miss the opportunity to see ND games when the Irish play on the road in the Boston area, and I'll miss the level of competition. On the other hand, I think it's great for the program to be able to rekindle rivalries with Michigan, Michigan State, and to an extent (going back quite a few years) Wisconsin. I haven't been in the area to go to ND home games, but from what I hear, as good as the Hockey East schools are, they don't have the cachet with the casual fans that the BTHC teams have, which has hurt attendance and buzz in the arena.
Disagree strongly on fit for the non-hockey sports.
Yep.
I don't see the issue. This deal wasn't on the table the last time decisions were made. Now that there's a chance to revisit, the BTHC is a better deal because of the rivalries. Why is this difficult?
mnstate0fhockey
New member
Of course you disagree. But most people outside the university, it's fans, and it's alums think the school should pick a conference. The hodge podge of being in multiple conferences creates issues. Look at the TV situation. The Big Ten has it's own network and yet won't be able to broadcast some of it's own conference games on it. Not the end of the world, but it's a complication and a little ridiculous to people outside your sphere.
You don't think the Big Ten makes sense, yet your university clearly thinks it makes the most sense for hockey. The ACC appears to make the most sense for basketball, lacrosse, etc... And of course football independence.
If we had to nail down one conference for all sports, including football (bear with the hypothetical for a moment without your head exploding), which conference would that be? The ACC? For football? For hockey? The SEC? Other? For hockey? No other major conference is involved in hockey. How about geographically? How do the ACC or SEC make more sense than the B1G? I would be stunned if you truely thought either of these conferences were a better fit for all sports.
Look, I am not a huge college football or basketball guy. I don't care enough to debate this that seriously. And you are entitled to your opinion and I know you guys have strong feelings about conference affiliation with football. But I whole heartedly disagree with you that the B1G wouldn't be the most natural fit for all sports.
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sterlippo1
Well-known member
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
really? it was visable hundreds of miles away and you're right, we wont miss them one iota
really? it was visable hundreds of miles away and you're right, we wont miss them one iota
Because i said something twice? In case you haven't noticed, it's not like we can ask ND fans on here. There aren't any. It's my opinion.
Here you go slap shot.
northeastern
Registered User
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
..yeah.. & its a Presidential election year to boot..
if JeffJacksonforPres were on here .. he'd get a few votes regardless, with the circus we've got going..
..yeah.. & its a Presidential election year to boot..
if JeffJacksonforPres were on here .. he'd get a few votes regardless, with the circus we've got going..
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
I don't need to go deep down. I never expected the Little Six to be a one bid conference. When the conference formed, I thought Minnesota would get an at large pretty much every year, Michigan 75% of the time, Wisconsin 50% and PSU, MSU and OSU might get the autobid once every 4 years. Now it has been Minnesota 66% of the time, Michigan 33%, Wisconsin 33% and PSU looks like they might make it next year.
The long and short of it is, you are so certain that the Wisconsin program is going to turn around and that the B1G isn't going to be bottom feeders for long, but the expectations were totally different when the conference was announced. The talk from the Gopher fans was that with all the TV money and exposure that they had and the other conferences didn't, the B1G was going to be THE major college hockey conference and UND wouldn't even be able to compete with them. Not only hasn't that happened, they have been a joke the past two years. And you want to talk about resources, but the Little Six teams have had the resources for the past 3 years and it hasn't helped. When they start getting more than one team into the tournament and actually win some games I will give the B1G some credit. But until then I guess they just have to take their lumps like every other team does when they aren't good.
I never even said anything about the Gophers. I am glad you are happy with their performance over the past 5 years. I am too. The rest of the MN teams have been mopping the floor with them. I have been enjoying it.I'm a Wisconsin homer? Who knew!
Gophers have been doing just fine. Two Frozen Fours and a national championship game in the last 5 years. I'll take that any day.
Get your shots in now, because I think deep down you know there is no way the B1G stays down long. And that's not me suggesting they will be a conference head and shoulders above everyone else, but they certainly won't be a bottom feeder for long. They are already taking steps to rectify the issues and have the resources to do so.
I don't need to go deep down. I never expected the Little Six to be a one bid conference. When the conference formed, I thought Minnesota would get an at large pretty much every year, Michigan 75% of the time, Wisconsin 50% and PSU, MSU and OSU might get the autobid once every 4 years. Now it has been Minnesota 66% of the time, Michigan 33%, Wisconsin 33% and PSU looks like they might make it next year.
The long and short of it is, you are so certain that the Wisconsin program is going to turn around and that the B1G isn't going to be bottom feeders for long, but the expectations were totally different when the conference was announced. The talk from the Gopher fans was that with all the TV money and exposure that they had and the other conferences didn't, the B1G was going to be THE major college hockey conference and UND wouldn't even be able to compete with them. Not only hasn't that happened, they have been a joke the past two years. And you want to talk about resources, but the Little Six teams have had the resources for the past 3 years and it hasn't helped. When they start getting more than one team into the tournament and actually win some games I will give the B1G some credit. But until then I guess they just have to take their lumps like every other team does when they aren't good.
Tipsy McStagger
Falling on fans at NHC since 2001
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
People can't help falling for me, slappy.
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
yeah, but its like wrestling with a pig. He enjoys it too much.
yeah, but its like wrestling with a pig. He enjoys it too much.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
Really? Granted, my sole interest in ND is football, but I don't think there's any question from every standpoint just involving football -- history, geography, recruiting profile, and program scope (and mission; and health) -- the B1G and ND are an obvious best fit, and the ACC is a really bizarre and artificial expedient in the service of I still don't know what.
Really? Granted, my sole interest in ND is football, but I don't think there's any question from every standpoint just involving football -- history, geography, recruiting profile, and program scope (and mission; and health) -- the B1G and ND are an obvious best fit, and the ACC is a really bizarre and artificial expedient in the service of I still don't know what.
mnstate0fhockey
New member
Mopping the floor with them? Over the last 5 years? I'll give you the last 2 years, but the 3 before that not so much. You going to hang a banner for besting the Gophers over a 2 year stretch?
And why are you talking about the "talk of other Gopher fans"? Need to move the goal posts to regain footing in this discussion?
Biggest problem the B1G has right now is it is too susceptible to a few teams having bad seasons tanking the conference's Pairwise. Too few teams in the conference. Not to mention between Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin only one has managed to do well at the same time. That won't last.
Do I expect Wisconsin to bounce back to 1970's-80's form? Probably not. Far more parity in college hockey these days. But do I expect them to be the dumpster fire they are now? Nope. I see them having every bit as much recruiting success as St Cloud, Duluth, UNO, etc... with an adequate staff. Big Ten needs to get that program up to standards and with the addition of Notre Dame the conference will not be as effected by a bad season by the likes of Ohio State, etc....
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
Sean
It's quite obvious that Notre Dame makes poor decisions when choosing athletic conferences.
Sean
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Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
If you think one fan backs up what you said - as in it having any relevance or broad scope have at it sweetheart.
If you think one fan backs up what you said - as in it having any relevance or broad scope have at it sweetheart.
jcarter7669
Registered User
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10
I wonder if the Notre Dame fans will return once they are a part of the B1G and don't have to worry about the jerk HE fans anymore.
I wonder if the Notre Dame fans will return once they are a part of the B1G and don't have to worry about the jerk HE fans anymore.