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Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

Holy Cross replaces Notre Dame nicely in HE: location is perfect for other HE members, academic quality is outstanding, currently scheduled to play a number of HE members, 2nd largest city in New England with DCU center as home ice to develop a strong fan base, willing to elevate current women's team to D-I, coach is past Providence assistant familiar with HE standards, giving full scholarships, name recognition on a national level, knowledgeable athletic director - just makes common sense for this New England league to include this D-I school in many sports ( football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse, etc.)
 
Middle Street said:
I think the league may just stay at 11 teams. I do find it interesting that Holy Cross is going to host games against PC and BC at DCU next season. With professional hockey having left Worcester, there is an opportunity for hockey fans in the city to support that team. Seems like a long shot though.
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ECHL next year @ DCU
 
RSTuthill said:
That occurred to me too. Stay at 11 for now.

Another thing that occurred to me is that Quinnipiac would also have to enlarge their building eventually. I believe they are at only 3,500 although their barn is really nice. I kinda think they like being where they are.
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Someone please why would they leave the ECAC? MONEY?
 
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giwan said:
Someone please why would they leave the ECAC? MONEY?
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I think they would get more money bringing teams like BC and BU. Also, Hockey East is a better conference brand in hockey than ECAC. Prior to the last couple years, Atlantic Hockey and I believe CHA had made Frozen Fours more recently than ECAC.
 
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HE12 said:
Holy Cross replaces Notre Dame nicely in HE: location is perfect for other HE members, academic quality is outstanding, currently scheduled to play a number of HE members, 2nd largest city in New England with DCU center as home ice to develop a strong fan base, willing to elevate current women's team to D-I, coach is past Providence assistant familiar with HE standards, giving full scholarships, name recognition on a national level, knowledgeable athletic director - just makes common sense for this New England league to include this D-I school in many sports ( football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse, etc.)
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Holy Cross has name recognition nationally? They don't play DI football and are Patriot League in basketball. To their credit, they made the NCAA tournament in hoops this year, but I don't think the casual fan knows who they are.

Geographically Holy Cross fits well. I think they would have to show Hockey East a sizeable improvement in the commitment to hockey to be accepted.
 
komey1 said:
I think they would get more money bringing teams like BC and BU. Also, Hockey East is a better conference brand in hockey than ECAC. Prior to the last couple years, Atlantic Hockey and I believe CHA had made Frozen Fours more recently than ECAC.
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Don't they sell out now? A better brand with Lee's chance of them winning their conference?

Unless they feel they can increase prices for certain teams of in general I don't see much benefit. Travel costs any lower?
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Tipsy - You said "I know you are super thirsty" to see the B1G win some OOC games. My reply was that the Gophers have made two Frozen Fours in the last 5 years. In light of that, what would make me "super thirsty" to see the B1G win OOC games? I know that beating the Gophers is banner worthy for you folks, but we don't feel the same.
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Keep beating that dead horse with the banner joke. Is that why you keep going back and editing your posts over an hour later? Are you wracking your brain to come up with these?

What would make you "super thirsty" to see the B1G win OOC games? Hmm, how about the fact that you won your conference, but it was so bad in OOC the Gophers couldn't even get into the tournament? You said "Biggest problem the B1G has right now is it is too susceptible to a few teams having bad seasons tanking the conference's Pairwise" If that isn't referring to OOC games, then what is tanking the conference's Pairwise?

mnstate0fhockey said:
And I never once denied the B1G was down this year. They have been down the last three seasons. So nice straw man. But using just the last three season's performance as evidence that the B1G will remain down is desperately flawed. It's an extremely small sample size. The B1G schools have done very well the last 10 years.

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Minnesota: 6 NCAA apps, 2 Frozen Fours, 6 Conference Championships, 2 Playoff Championships
Michigan: 7 NCAA apps, 2 Frozen Fours, 2 Conference Championships, 2 Playoff Championships
Wisconsin: 4 NCAA apps, 1 Frozen Four, 0 Conference Championships, 1 Playoff Championship
Michigan State: 3 NCAA apps, 1 Frozen Four (NC), 0 Conference Championships, 0 Playoff Championships
Ohio State: 1 NCAA app
Penn State: Nothing, obviously
Notre Dame: 7 NCAA apps, 2 Frozen Fours, 2 Conference Championships, 2 Playoff Championships
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Dude, are you mentally impaired? I never said they would remain down. I said Wisconsin is not guaranteed to bounce back to where they were in the 2000s.

And now you are trying to take credit for Notre Dame's success when they aren't even in your conference yet. Sad. The last three seasons are more accurate than last ten. A. They are more recent. B. The previous 7 years the teams were split among 2 conferences, so more teams had an opportunity to make the NCAAs. What is more relevant, MSU's title 10 years ago or the fact that they have been terrible for the past 3 years?
 
Re: Notre Dame leaves Hockey East for Big 10

I keep editing my posts because I'm typing on an iphone and am going back and correcting my spelling and grammar mistakes. Which is why I'm not replying to your multi quote posts. Are we at the point where you're going to start calling out little things like that because you can't move the goal posts any further?

And your paragraph about being "thirsty" for more OOC wins because we won the conference makes little sense. Michigan is a 2 seed despite our conference's Pairwise woes and we finished ahead of them. I see nothing wrong with taking pride in winning the B1G regardless of our OOC results. Missing the NCAA's is disappointing, but I've already said this was a somewhat down year for the Gophers. I have seen no Gopher fan deny that. Doesn't mean the season was horrible. The team played well at times, even against quality opponents. It was a young team that struggled to find their identity early, and battled consistency issues.

As for the discussion on Wisconsin, you absolutely did imply they wouldn't bounce back. I mentioned they wouldn't stay down and you referenced Clarkson and RPI. If you think the Wisconsin program is on a trajectory similiar to those programs, you're the fool. Not knocking those programs, but UW has recruiting advantages they do not have. And the resources to hire pretty much whomever they want.

BTW - Criticizing the editing of grammar in posts, resorting to personal attacks (mentally impaired comment), and hilariously saying you could care less how the B1G does even though you're frequently interjecting in our season thread and elsewhere where it relates to the B1G demonstrates just how little ground you have to stand on in this discussion.

As for the banner comments. If the shoe fits man. You're clearly hung up on our in-state record over a small two year period. I'm sure it does bring you great joy. Hence the banner remarks.
 
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Quinnipiac is not coming to Hockey East. Can't see a compelling reason at this point for them to switch.

I think it will eventually come down to either Holy Cross or Bentley, with Holy Cross edging it for me, but not before a 2-3 year waiting period. Both schools would need to show a bigger commitment to the sport, and perhaps HC with their DCU schedule next season is the first step in signaling their interest. Certainly, they would seem to be following the UConn path of moving away from the small facilities on campus to the full-scale facility downtown approach. Although with HC it's at least in the same town. :)

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see HE up to 14 teams in the next 10 years. HC first, perhaps Bentley and another school coming in afterwards. Two divisions of 7 teams each, maybe 3 games per season within the divisions, and one game across divisions, that would come up with a 25 game RS schedule, which approaches the old HE model of 24 RS games, with 3 games apiece against the other 8 members? Maybe by then, someone like URI or SNHU will make the move up to D-1.
 
mnstate0fhockey said:
I keep editing my posts because I'm typing on an iphone and am going back and correcting my spelling and grammar mistakes. Which is why I'm not replying to your multi quote posts. Are we at the point where you're going to start calling out little things like that because you can't move the goal posts any further?

And your paragraph about being "thirsty" for more OOC wins because we won the conference makes little sense. Michigan is a 2 seed despite our conference's Pairwise woes and we finished ahead of them. I see nothing wrong with taking pride in winning the B1G regardless of our OOC results. Missing the NCAA's is disappointing, but I've already said this was a somewhat down year for the Gophers. I have seen no Gopher fan deny that. Doesn't mean the season was horrible. The team played well at times, even against quality opponents. It was a young team that struggled to find their identity early, and battled consistency issues.

As for the discussion on Wisconsin, you absolutely did imply they wouldn't bounce back. I mentioned they wouldn't stay down and you referenced Clarkson and RPI. If you think the Wisconsin program is on a trajectory similiar to those programs, you're the fool. Not knocking those programs, but UW has recruiting advantages they do not have. And the resources to hire pretty much whomever they want.

BTW - Criticizing the editing of grammar in posts, resorting to personal attacks (mentally impaired comment), and hilariously saying you could care less how the B1G does even though you're frequently interjecting in our season thread and elsewhere where it relates to the B1G demonstrates just how little ground you have to stand on in this discussion.

As for the banner comments. If the shoe fits man. You're clearly hung up on our in-state record over a small two year period. I'm sure it does bring you great joy. Hence the banner remarks.
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Again. I don't have to move the goalposts. The Little Six is bad. The Gophers are bad. The Badgers are bad. Your argument is "they will be better." That's your opinion. I will believe it when I see it.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Quinnipiac is not coming to Hockey East. Can't see a compelling reason at this point for them to switch.

I think it will eventually come down to either Holy Cross or Bentley, with Holy Cross edging it for me, but not before a 2-3 year waiting period. Both schools would need to show a bigger commitment to the sport, and perhaps HC with their DCU schedule next season is the first step in signaling their interest. Certainly, they would seem to be following the UConn path of moving away from the small facilities on campus to the full-scale facility downtown approach. Although with HC it's at least in the same town. :)

Frankly I wouldn't be surprised to see HE up to 14 teams in the next 10 years. HC first, perhaps Bentley and another school coming in afterwards. Two divisions of 7 teams each, maybe 3 games per season within the divisions, and one game across divisions, that would come up with a 25 game RS schedule, which approaches the old HE model of 24 RS games, with 3 games apiece against the other 8 members? Maybe by then, someone like URI or SNHU will make the move up to D-1.
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Bentley? Are you serious. What does Bentley bring to Hockey East? Their only attribute is being local. Small school, think Merrimack. No added value to the brand. Bentley > Notre Dame??? I know you hate Notre Dame but they are a brand. In fact, a much bigger brand than any of the other Hockey East schools. Holy Cross is a possibility but they were dismissed by the ECAC in their last search. No need for Hockey East to settle for an also ran.
 
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A big no IMO to Holy Cross and Bentley. These are schools that are likely to be in the bottom half of Hockey East for at least a decade or longer. They will drag down the RPI/PWR of the other HEA schools. Get Q or stay at 11.

Frankly, unless they have a big donor stepping forward, I doubt they have the funds to upgrade their program to HEA standards. I would doubt Bentley would even want to with a D-2 small athletic program.
 
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Bentley? Are you serious. What does Bentley bring to Hockey East? Their only attribute is being local. Small school, think Merrimack. No added value to the brand. Bentley > Notre Dame??? I know you hate Notre Dame but they are a brand. In fact, a much bigger brand than any of the other Hockey East schools. Holy Cross is a possibility but they were dismissed by the ECAC in their last search. No need for Hockey East to settle for an also ran.
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NICC one and done in NCAAs.
 
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Ive said it before and I'll say it again:

The idea that Bentley or Holy Cross could be HEA schools just goes to show how much HEA fans just flat out hate driving.
 
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scoreboard said:
Bentley? Are you serious. What does Bentley bring to Hockey East? Their only attribute is being local. Small school, think Merrimack. No added value to the brand. Bentley > Notre Dame??? I know you hate Notre Dame but they are a brand. In fact, a much bigger brand than any of the other Hockey East schools. Holy Cross is a possibility but they were dismissed by the ECAC in their last search. No need for Hockey East to settle for an also ran.
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First of all, the Bentley thing was qualified as a "perhaps", and yeah, they'd have to upgrade the program and its facilities. I'm not sure exactly what the relevance of NICC is at this time, as they've already begun their good-bye tour. Keep your "brands" at the bog box retailers, I could honestly care less. I'm also not troubled if HE sticks at 11 teams for awhile (I kinda predicted that in my original post anyway, didn't I?) but they seemed to be in a pretty big hurry last time they got to 11 teams (see UConn) to move up to 12 programs, so it's probably logical to assume they're leaning in that same direction now, all of 3+ years later.

I'm not sure where the big long waiting list of ECAC schools looking to position themselves for HE membership even begins? UVM made sense, but I'm not sure any of the others are overly eager. So what does that leave us with? The low level D-1's or start-ups ... then who?

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