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Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

Re: Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

Russo suspended 2 games... for a 2 minute slashing penalty. In which the 'victim' also raised his stick. Not sure what they saw to warrant keeping him out of both games this weekend.

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You need to look at the video again. Russo had his stick in position to hammer Roy before he was within 20 feet of him. Yes, Roy had his stick up - becasue he had just shot the puck around the boards and was following through. The follow through probably deflected Russo's stick and saved Roy from a potentially serious injury. Apparently those in the league office who reviewed the clip saw it the same way.

Russo's slash as well as Fogarty's cheap shot on Saucerman 15 seconds later were understandable manifestations of their frustration from being swept. However their actions reflected badly on their team and resulted in a costly suspension. What a waste of talent!
 
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I agree that it becomes two games to shut Jackson up.

I've seen insinuations that this kid is suspended as retribution to Jackson being a dbag and running his yapper. I think it is out of line to even suggest that. Sure the folks in the HE league office are absolute donkeys but I really don't think they would do that to a kid. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't just discipline Jackson himself if they wanted to send a message to him to stop crying.
 
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You need to look at the video again. Russo had his stick in position to hammer Roy before he was within 20 feet of him. Yes, Roy had his stick up - becasue he had just shot the puck around the boards and was following through. The follow through probably deflected Russo's stick and saved Roy from a potentially serious injury. Apparently those in the league office who reviewed the clip saw it the same way.

Russo's slash as well as Fogarty's cheap shot on Saucerman 15 seconds later were understandable manifestations of their frustration from being swept. However their actions reflected badly on their team and resulted in a costly suspension. What a waste of talent!

Russo's stick was at the same height as any skater's as he strode in, and it was also obvious the puck was going to be shot around the boards. It's a pretty big assumption to make that Russo was trying to slash him up high, and to make that assumption and give him 2 games with no prior history of taking cheap shots is surprising to me. Not having seen the guy in person, I can see you wanting to keep your players healthy, but trust me, I've seen the video plenty of times to dissect it every which way.

I've seen insinuations that this kid is suspended as retribution to Jackson being a dbag and running his yapper. I think it is out of line to even suggest that. Sure the folks in the HE league office are absolute donkeys but I really don't think they would do that to a kid. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't just discipline Jackson himself if they wanted to send a message to him to stop crying.

I'm with you there as well honestly. This is a weird day.
 
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Great news!!!!!! We have a decent power play all of a sudden! Bad news???? We apparently forgot how to play 5 on 5 and score even strength.
(that's 1 5-5 goal in the last 3 games)

And for the first time since I've actually followed college hockey my Spartans are higher in the rpi than the irish. In case you are wondering, that's probably not a good thing.
Get swept by unh (again) and maybe I'm on board....time for some type of coaching change. It's just inexcusable. teams at the top starting to struggle..... its like no one wants a top 4 finish in hockey east.
 
Great news!!!!!! We have a decent power play all of a sudden! Bad news???? We apparently forgot how to play 5 on 5 and score even strength.
(that's 1 5-5 goal in the last 3 games)

And for the first time since I've actually followed college hockey my Spartans are higher in the rpi than the irish. In case you are wondering, that's probably not a good thing.
Get swept by unh (again) and maybe I'm on board....time for some type of coaching change. It's just inexcusable. teams at the top starting to struggle..... its like no one wants a top 4 finish in hockey east.

Really sloppy play obviously. The inability of the dmen to move the puck was painfully plain. It would have been nice if Hockey East at least didn't sit on the suspension decision until the end of the week so the mixed up pairs could get some practice in.
 
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Really sloppy play obviously. The inability of the dmen to move the puck was painfully plain. It would have been nice if Hockey East at least didn't sit on the suspension decision until the end of the week so the mixed up pairs could get some practice in.

Apparently this news was known by the team early this week. Only the announcement came at the end of the week.
 
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Well there were times when they played lazy but they pulled it off. It does seem like they get too laxed or lazy at times on the ice and just get badly outworked.

The lights worked when the opposing team score (saw that was true for both games so I'm happy with that).
And there had some of the music back, and at times people yelled, but for what it is I think it was pretty good noise.

Had some friends that went as well and they really enjoyed the game. Now we just need to sweep maine, sweep providence (at least win the night I'm there), and most importantly sweep the teams that are "boston". And then hopefully I don't wake up from that dream.
 
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We could sweep our way through the end of the regular season and still not crack the top-16 of the pairwise. We'd most likely still be out of the top-20.

I think Notre Dame got lucky last night. UNH hit two pipes and the refs needlessly blew the play dead on a delayed penalty when a UNH player tipped the puck by Katunar. The reviewed goal looked like it was in as well, even if by rule the conclusive video evidence wasn't there. Either call goes the other way and we're looking at a different outcome is my guess.

This team is obviously just going through the motions on most nights for good parts of the game. There is still the flash of the superior talent (Hinostroza showed it a number of times in the two games and Lucia has been most nights as well) but all too often this team is far less than the sum of its parts. For all their proclamations to the contrary there is little cohesiveness, little chemistry, little teamwork on shift after shift. What's saddest is these guys may even believe otherwise. They've bought into the myth that is Notre Dame hockey at the Compton Family Ice Arena. It's all about facilities and NBC Sports Network specials and outdoor games and NHL draft picks.

Their goal of a top-4 finish is still within reach. Too bad the reach is for a prize unworthy of what everyone associated with this program on a daily basis should be striving for. Maybe if they get it they can hang a ******* banner commemorating it.
 
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if Ali Thomas could have gotten his stick on a few of those pucks..... that 4th? line created so many scoring chances. Maybe because they actually have to play for ice time? I mean the one goal was Ostlie from Thomas and Ripley. (they now have a combined 7 points for the season....3 of those points are on that goal. LOL)

The one delayed penalty that saved a goal.... they scored on the resulting power play so that kind of balanced out that one in the end.

Jordan Gross - he is one of the few players it seems that really bust it up and down the ice on a very regular basis. I enjoy watching him play. He'll lay himself completely out there to block a shot etc. Constantly racing back it seems to break up a play. But his effort sticks way out because of the lack of effort from the others.
 
Re: Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

The one delayed penalty that saved a goal.... they scored on the resulting power play so that kind of balanced out that one in the end.

Not exactly. The goal scored on the delayed penalty should have counted (no ND player touched the puck), and even if they score before the offending team touches the puck to stop play, the penalty is still served in college, thus UNH would have still had a PP, and if they had still scored on the PP, they would have started to take the game over again by scoring 2 quick goals (a delayed penalty goal and a PPG) and ND likely would have rolled over...
 
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Jordan Gross - he is one of the few players it seems that really bust it up and down the ice on a very regular basis. I enjoy watching him play. He'll lay himself completely out there to block a shot etc. Constantly racing back it seems to break up a play. But his effort sticks way out because of the lack of effort from the others.

Gross has been really good. Second on the team in +/- while playing the top couple of lines every shift. Best of the freshmen by far this season. His lack of PP points (no goals, maybe 5 assists) is the one area of his game that needs improvement, but on this team that hardly stands out. With the right coaching change he could probably be a highly effective PP point man. After hinting at having him run the PP on an umbrella in the exhibition game I think I have seen that PP system once since. Maybe not early in the season but once it was obvious the PP (and the team, really) was going nowhere, trot out something different. Too bad "something different" is a foreign concept to Pooley and Jackson for the most part.
 
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Their goal of a top-4 finish is still within reach. Too bad the reach is for a prize unworthy of what everyone associated with this program on a daily basis should be striving for. Maybe if they get it they can hang a ******* banner commemorating it.

It's hard to give your all every night. It's even harder when most of your roster is comprised of freshmen. I know that expectations were supposed to be higher given the facilities and TV contract, but a top-4 finish was a good goal coming into this season all things considered. Look at the senior class. You have Russo, Schneider, and Johnson who have regularly played. That's just a huge imbalance of experience versus youth. This is a team building to compete in the tournament, but not this year. It was pretty clear as soon as SCSU scored that OT goal last March. That's no excuse for the lack of focus from some of the older players, but let's have realistic expectations for 14-15.

Jordan Gross - he is one of the few players it seems that really bust it up and down the ice on a very regular basis. I enjoy watching him play. He'll lay himself completely out there to block a shot etc. Constantly racing back it seems to break up a play. But his effort sticks way out because of the lack of effort from the others.

He's been great. Heir apparent to the "#1" when Russo is gone probably, and I'd like to see him paired with Wade. Ripley got caught flatfooted a few times and got turned around by speedy guys. Hard to judge the goaltending when things like that happen, but Katunar did make some big saves to bail guys out.
 
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It's hard to give your all every night. It's even harder when most of your roster is comprised of freshmen.

Oh man do I disagree with this. 100%. As freshmen, they must give 100% simply to crack the line-up and prove themselves to the team. As any other class, if you can't give your all every shift, don't gear up. Like I've said before, these players (especially those drafted) have a goal of playing in the NHL. If they ever fail to give 100% on an NHL roster, they will find their playing time disintegrating and likely their address changing to the AHL affiliate. If they fail to give 100% when scouts are in the building, which is a nightly occurrence, they can kiss their pro careers goodbye. I don't know one coach who accepts 99%, and if Jackson or Pooley accepts 99%, shame on them.
 
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It's hard to give your all every night. It's even harder when most of your roster is comprised of freshmen. I know that expectations were supposed to be higher given the facilities and TV contract, but a top-4 finish was a good goal coming into this season all things considered. Look at the senior class. You have Russo, Schneider, and Johnson who have regularly played. That's just a huge imbalance of experience versus youth. This is a team building to compete in the tournament, but not this year. It was pretty clear as soon as SCSU scored that OT goal last March. That's no excuse for the lack of focus from some of the older players, but let's have realistic expectations for 14-15.

Your expectations certainly have to be anchored somewhat in reality, yes. But for Jackson this has become an annual proclamation. He said it last year and he said it in the last couple of CCHA years. I also suspect he says it at least in part to manage expectations of both the fans and his bosses. That's typical of coaches with the coaching personality he has. If we finish 4th we did as well as we were led to believe we could. A little worse and he has a couple of built in excuses (young roster, untested goalies, officiating concerns, etc) and if he finishes better, well he looks like the coaching genius he used to be.

The last time his roster was comprised of a lot of freshmen the team blasted their way out of the gate, finished 2nd in the league and went to the FF. Playing in the infamous "dump" that he insisted we could not continue to recruit or win in. Given that since then Jackson has been handed nearly everything he has wanted I think his expectations should be adjusted upwards. The roster issues are of his own making anyway and cannot be excused since he is enamored with filling his roster with NHL draft picks, kids who are of course going to be on the radar of Major Junior and/or being pushed in other directions by some of the more impatient NHL teams. Isn't part of being a successful college coach managing a roster that is going to see significant turnover every season? It was also entirely his decision last season to play his seniors to the exclusion of his younger classes no matter the production or the level of effort some gave. It's easy to see why this team is struggling so much right now, but only because he has poorly managed and coached the team in the first place.

As for effort, that is the only thing you can control. I don't expect every player to be at 100% effort every single shift. That isn't humanly possible. But for this team it has fallen below an acceptable level frequently. Friday night, both games last weekend, both games in the Shillelagh tournament, the first Minnesota game, the list is far too lengthy. Their focus wanders constantly. They haven't been there for their teammates. I don't know how anyone could watch what I was 10 feet from Friday night and think otherwise. UNH had their way with them for the first 39 minutes of that game for two reasons, the coaches did not have them prepared, and when the team saw what that lack of preparation led to, they stopped trying. It was only the fact that they are so much more skilled than UNH that they scored the two goals and as soon as they did, they quit playing. Lucia's comments following the loss were horrendous. He lamented the fact the period had no more time left and had it had five more minutes they could have potted another goal. Well what about the 20 minutes of the 3rd period? This is a team that doesn't get it. Or more precisely it is a program that doesn't get it.
 
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Oh man do I disagree with this. 100%. As freshmen, they must give 100% simply to crack the line-up and prove themselves to the team.
But they don't have to. Other than a few guys, most of these freshmen are guaranteed to play because there is no one else ready to step in. For them it's not even a matter of not wanting to give 100%. It's being used to giving less than that in lower levels and getting away with it just fine. That's what moving to the next level often teaches you. Recruits have all excelled and been the "cream of the crop" down in the USHL or wherever they've originated from. I don't think we're saying different things though; they NEED to give 100% to move on to the professional ranks someday. I just feel that it's not going to happen with the current upperclassmen leading the way for these younger players.
 
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It was also entirely his decision last season to play his seniors to the exclusion of his younger classes no matter the production or the level of effort some gave. It's easy to see why this team is struggling so much right now, but only because he has poorly managed and coached the team in the first place.

He would have been crucified if he sat senior players last year. You have to put the best team out there to win games. First year in a new and very competitive conference, you better not let up any slack or you'll get shelled. Maybe Katunar should have seen a few more starts, that'll I'll agree with. Summerhays was great but he needed more breaks than he got. Maybe you don't let Beers start and give a guy like Wade some more playing time (I do like the way he's playing right now btw). Or Ali Thomas getting more 4th line time than he did? I know what you're trying to say, but I just don't know which changes anyone would have been happy about at the time.
 
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Don't forget Austin Wuthrich in the senior class.
I don't know if ND really recruits NHL players who are looking to bolt early....as perhaps BU.

But this is one issue I have with the youth crap excuse. Boston college avg age is the exact same as ours (although they do have a few more seniors)
and Boston University avg age is actually LESS than ours, and with only 3-4 seniors from what I can tell. And those two teams are at the top of the standings. (and that sucks btw).

Western Michigan has 4 seniors and 8 freshmen. That seems close to ND numbers and yet they swept the crap out of us.
Meanwhile Merrimack seems old and we split with them. its ugh.

I get it... if we go up against a Lowell team etc that is heavy seniors with experience (like we were last year) maybe we struggle. But I'm starting to think this whole.... youth thing and adjusting to college hockey is a load of crap. Especially after say.... November. Welcome to Notre Dame and college hockey. It's not like the other teams don't have freshmen adjusting either.

I think preseason my hope was to take 3rd in the conference, or at least improve on the 9-9-2.
 
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He would have been crucified if he sat senior players last year... ... I know what you're trying to say, but I just don't know which changes anyone would have been happy about at the time.

He wouldn't have been crucified by me. There were plenty of times I wanted upperclassmen benched, if only for a night. Posted it all the time. And one of my biggest issues with Jackson anymore is there is rarely a situation so bad that he is willing to change his approach. And really who else is there to crucify him? He operates in relative anonymity around here. The fortunes of the football team are always going to take up the lion's share of the oxygen in South Bend. And the two basketball teams take the vast majority of what is left. The local media does not cover road games at all, and the coverage of home games is minimal at best. Most of the fans do not have the passion of even the most casual of USCHO posters. The vast majority of the people who attend games there pay little or no attention to the minutia of things like whether or not that power play formation is an umbrella or the slightly differently positioned 1-3-1 or whether or why not Jackson ever changes from his basic spread or overload, or noticed he moved Wuthrich off the line with Lucia and Hinostroza, or wondered why if they did notice.

He ran Mike Voran and David Gerths out day after day after day, yet the two combined for ONE goal last season. They brought other things to the table besides scoring yes, but one of the things that hurt the team last season was a lack of any reliable secondary scoring. And at the end of the day that scoring was far more important than the forechecking and defense they provided. Sit them and play a guy like Thomas more than a quarter of the time. Perhaps had he played 30 games instead of 10 he could have developed a scoring touch, or been more productive now more than 2/3rd of the way into a sophomore season in which he was expected to produce. He allowed Jeff Costello to commit stupid penalty after stupid penalty, yet never benched him for it (not even for the balance of a period), even though he benched players from other classes on occasion (Nick Larson -- who benefited greatly from it -- and Garrett Petersen come to mind) Stephen Johns so frequently jumped into the play at a huge cost to his defensive responsibilities and often loafed back into the zone. I don't know how many opposing team icing calls were negated last season because he got beat to the circle by someone, yet he never came out of the lineup. Not even for one shift. Justin Wade has made some pretty good progress this season. Imagine if he had played 20 games last year, or actually skated more than 3 or 4 shifts in the 6 games he played.

I think Jackson gave the class of 2014 -- other than Summerhays -- far too much leeway. It has had a negative impact on every season since the 2011 FF. It continues to this day in terms of a lack of experience for much of this year's team. I think there are dozens of examples anymore -- whether it be in game strategy, preparation, systems and who he plays and how much they play -- where Jackson's coaching has taken a substantial fall from where it was during his stint at Lake State or during the first half of his tenure here. Coaching is definitely an issue with this team, and the current makeup of the staff needs to change (or they need to radically adjust their own approach) or the same types of issues will always be there.
 
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But this is one issue I have with the youth crap excuse. Boston college avg age is the exact same as ours (although they do have a few more seniors)
and Boston University avg age is actually LESS than ours, and with only 3-4 seniors from what I can tell. And those two teams are at the top of the standings. (and that sucks btw).

Age and college experience aren't exactly the same thing. BC has been historically good at simply "reloading," but I can tell you they don't have to deal with class sizes like this as often. BU does have a lot of unexperienced guys, but their upperclassmen forwards are scorers that have led the team, and they have Eichel bring the age down and the record way up. Youth on its own is not the excuse, but the unled mass of inexperienced youth.
 
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