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Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

Re: Notre Dame Hockey 2014-15: The year of the Freshman

irishstate said:
As far as hockey recruiting goes, I doubt many outside the die-hards know. As a newer fan to the game, hockey can be confusing enough. Adjusting to stupid things like..... a goal is scored with 13:10 on the clock and they keep saying the goal is scored at 6:50. There are a number of things that seem odd and backwards at first until you adjust to it... If I hadn't fallen in love with the game and college hockey I sure wouldn't know as much as I did (which isn't a ton.)

It doesn't help that many college hockey fans are arrogant people with sticks up their butts. You can read the posts here when a newbie post something showing a lack of hockey intelligence and watch them get bashed to pieces. That really helps grow the game, let me tell you. LOL
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It's definitely confusing, and the relative lack of analysis compared to other sports makes it harder for new fans to latch onto. There was even less a few years ago, but coverage is definitely getting bigger. But frankly, most college hockey fans actually like that it's a niche sport.

Sorry if you've felt the wrath on other threads. If you start a new thread and the veteran posters don't know you yet, prepare to get ripped apart unfortunately. Legitimate questions and analysis should always be welcome. I enjoyed reading your defense of Jackson and then the history I got to learn from JJFP. :D As a Jack Parker defender til the end, I'll abstain from any head coaching discussions for now, though I definitely have opinions on Jackson's coaching style...

Also, if you want to dive into recruiting, here is a good place to get to know some incoming names to follow.

Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
Hence the reason I rarely post anymore. I don't like Hockey East for lots of reasons.
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Well that just came out of nowhere. :p
 
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candycanes99 said:
Well that just came out of nowhere. :p
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That's because this team is nowhere...:(

For the record, I didn't want to join HE from day one of the shake-up. Not because I think ND is better than that. Not because of the officiating. Rather because I thought the NCHC was a better fit for their style of play, their recruiting, the already established rivalries (Miami, WMU). Since we joined HE, the dislike was extended to many fans who post. I want to be able to gripe about my team without someone posting hurtful sarcasm. I want to be able to praise my team without being shot down. I don't like the anonymity of the Internet because unhappy people can use it to verbally assault another without any retribution.

I cannot think of one comment over the decade I have been on USCHO that I have ever initiated that was cruel, vitriolic or hurtfully sarcastic towards anyone from any team. I spew vitriol at my team. I (stupidly) have tried to defend myself or other posters. It took a while to learn from others who said, "Don't feed the trolls..."

The poster who is Carmine Scarpaglia must be so unhappy with his life, but I hope he finds love or a better job or he goes back to school or fixes whatever is eating at him.
 
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irishstate said:
...Frankly ND's record in HE would be even better if it wasn't for the 3rd class refs the league has had. At least it is improved this year.
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You have a valid point. Dan Schachte has brought some good young officials on board over the past couple of years who are products of the USA Hockey Officiating Development Program, and it's refreshing to watch them work (even when the calls go against my team). The job won't be done, however, until he's finally able to sweep away the remnants of the Old Boy Network that has been an embarrassment for years.
 
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#1collegehockeyfan said:
How come Notre Dame doesn't schedule NC games against Miami and WMU since they were established rivals in the CCHA?
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ND does play OOC games against WMU and will into the future. That's because it is an easy trip.

As for the others, I fear it is because Coach Jackson is like Coach Brey. The "Let's pad our stats with wins against lesser teams (no offense intended) and load up the home schedule with patsies so the fans can see wins" kind of thinking. How is beating up on Niagara, a team without all the (supposed) amenities like ND and far fewer scholarships, meaning they cannot attract the high-end players, a good win? I don't want to see a win for winning's sake. If that were the case, I'd be okay with my team cheating, like using underinflated pucks or something.

I want to play Michigan, Miami, MSU, BG, North Dakota, even Penn State (I cannot for the life of me figure why we haven't played them yet). These teams could mostly help our PWR (assuming we could eke out a few wins), but ND has to play LSSU again and again (they had zero wins when we played them)--and not even return the favor of playing in the Soo just once, and beat up on Niagara (who also had no wins when we played them)--and not return the favor in their barn, and will likely play Holy Cross next season (since Pooley's son plays there)--here I'm sure. I don't mind an occasional game against seemingly lesser programs (again, no offense), but ever since the CFIA opened, our OOC schedule has included several games against UAH, Niagara, LSSU, all at home without the return. When Mario Lucia graduates, Minnesota will fall off our schedule, so there goes another quality opponent. Will ND replace them with Bentley? Of course, the way things are going, AHA teams might not be a sure win...
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
The poster who is Carmine Scarpaglia must be so unhappy with his life, but I hope he finds love or a better job or he goes back to school or fixes whatever is eating at him.
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There's a bunch of good BC posters. And then there's a select few that find joy in kicking puppies.

#1collegehockeyfan said:
How come Notre Dame doesn't schedule NC games against Miami and WMU since they were established rivals in the CCHA?
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They do to some extent. They still played Western out of conf, and played Miami this year in an in-season tournament. But that's a far cry from playing most of your games against Midwestern teams rather than the constant travel they're doing now. I love that ND joined HE for the selfish reason that I get to see them play a lot of programs I'd grown familiar with.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
...Will ND replace them with Bentley? Of course, the way things are going, AHA teams might not be a sure win...
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Be careful what you wish for. Northeastern scheduled Bentley at Matthews three times in six years and lost two of them. BC, BU, and Harvard don't seem to want any part of them.
 
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Jeff_Jackson_for_Pres. said:
I want to play Michigan, Miami, MSU, BG, North Dakota, even Penn State (I cannot for the life of me figure why we haven't played them yet). These teams could mostly help our PWR (assuming we could eke out a few wins), but ND has to play LSSU again and again (they had zero wins when we played them)--and not even return the favor of playing in the Soo just once, and beat up on Niagara (who also had no wins when we played them)--and not return the favor in their barn, and will likely play Holy Cross next season (since Pooley's son plays there)--here I'm sure. I don't mind an occasional game against seemingly lesser programs (again, no offense), but ever since the CFIA opened, our OOC schedule has included several games against UAH, Niagara, LSSU, all at home without the return. When Mario Lucia graduates, Minnesota will fall off our schedule, so there goes another quality opponent. Will ND replace them with Bentley? Of course, the way things are going, AHA teams might not be a sure win...
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I would love to see them schedule teams like Michigan, MSU, and Penn State (maybe continue playing Minn). Those B1G teams have tons of non-conf game space. If you can play those teams regularly in addition to the traditional eastern teams on the schedule by virtue of being in Hockey East, you're going to help yourself in the PWR a lot... if you win. Playing high profile teams helps recruiting a lot, but every team needs a few cupcake games to get rolling. I didn't have a problem with scheduling "softer" opponents early with a freshman-laden team, but that has to be a one-time thing. There do need to be higher quality opponents in the next couple years to be taken seriously.
 
candycanes99 said:
I would love to see them schedule teams like Michigan, MSU, and Penn State (maybe continue playing Minn). Those B1G teams have tons of non-conf game space. .
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I think the relationship between the Big and Notre Dame has fizzled over the years. With Notre Dame joining the ACC in all sports and Notre Dame hockey joining Hockey East. The loyalty of the Irish is leaning towards the East and South not the Midwest. With the football team not playing UM anymore doesn't help.

I believe Notre Dame Athletics knows what they are doing because they have a history of making proper decisions in what direction the Athletic programs are heading.
 
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#1collegehockeyfan said:
I think the relationship between the Big and Notre Dame has fizzled over the years. With Notre Dame joining the ACC in all sports and Notre Dame hockey joining Hockey East. The loyalty of the Irish is leaning towards the East and South not the Midwest. With the football team not playing UM anymore doesn't help.

I believe Notre Dame Athletics knows what they are doing because they have a history of making proper decisions in what direction the Athletic programs are heading.
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Hockey programs and scheduling rarely experience the same ties to the rest of the athletic department's ties. Heck, B1G is the only major conference that includes hockey. I could see definite trickle-down with Michigan, but not with MSU/PSU or the Big 10 at large. Just my perspective though, not sure what things are really like.
 
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I would love, but also would hate, a schedule with MSU on it. Last year they played Tech, Duluth, Minnesota etc. It was their OCC schedule that got them into the NCAA (or definitely helped) since their 8th place finish in conference didn't help. I like that this years schedule contained teams from every conference and don't mind a series or two against some of the smaller teams. Things like Niagara being a catholic school and trying to help them out, or Jackson's ties to Lake State. I get it.

I wouldn't mind looking at bringing in Arizona State because of the name, or how about North Dakota. May the best ND win? St. Cloud State... maybe we can find something in the regular season so they don't knock us out (again) come NCAA time.

With the slight advantage given to away wins, I'd look to schedule some away series you could do well in. It does make you wonder... I believe Wisconsin didn't have a full schedule this year..... I know they are doing terrible this year and no one could see it being this bad????? I don't think. But a scheduled series against Wisconsin over say.....Niagara etc. hockey scheduling seems to be as confusing as some of the recruiting at times.
 
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candycanes99 said:
Russo suspended 2 games... for a 2 minute slashing penalty. In which the 'victim' also raised his stick. Not sure what they saw to warrant keeping him out of both games this weekend.

https://notredame.app.box.com/s/4g7bjoc9svdd97ywo6scgg2krp7lzy9d
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This suspension has everything to do what Jackson said Monday and nothing to do with the penalty Russo committed Saturday. But what does Jackson know, he's just another whining Domer.
 
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irishstate said:
I wouldn't mind looking at bringing in Arizona State because of the name, or how about North Dakota. May the best ND win? St. Cloud State... maybe we can find something in the regular season so they don't knock us out (again) come NCAA time.
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I would love another series with North Dakota. We had a 4 game series with them in 2010/11 and 2012/13. Also wouldn't mind giving a decent name like Arizona State a series when they open ups shop either. Still waiting for a Penn State series, although with their recent adoption of the "409" helmet stickers I am less enthusiastic about giving them games and would not mind if Notre Dame didn't look their direction.

The big problem with series like that is those teams will all want 1 for 1. Which is fine and how the scheduling should be. But Notre Dame is not interested in teams that want reciprocality. If we can't get teams to play us in South Bend and not require a return trip we won't schedule them, for the most part. We're keeping the H/H with Western for the next few seasons at least, but other than that, decent series are far from assured. In fact once the series with Minnesota is over (next season the last scheduled I believe?) I would imagine Notre Dame will replace it with another series of "buy" games each season. Teams who will come here without a return trip by Notre Dame are the bottom of the barrel teams from the WCHA and teams from Atlantic Hockey.
 
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Somehow I missed that particular indiscression. If it was Saucerman #23 who was the "slashee", it might explain the incredibly cheap shot Sauce got from Fogarty as time expired. The refs separated everyone, but didn't see the point in calling penalties. If they had, ND would have been without another very good player for a game or two.
 
irishstate said:
It doesn't help that many college hockey fans are arrogant people with sticks up their butts. You can read the posts here when a newbie post something showing a lack of hockey intelligence and watch them get bashed to pieces. That really helps grow the game, let me tell you. LOL
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This should required to be read by every regular poster on this college hockey forum.
 
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It seems like Hockey East is cracking down on the late penalties in games that are pretty much decided. Sitting the last 16 seconds in the box in a game that is done is not much of a price to pay for whacking the heck out of the other team's star player. In this case I am ok with the league reviewing and handing down something. 2 games may be a bit excessive unless there are prior issues with this particular player that is being disciplined.

I think we've seen some supplemental discipline recently for very late penalties from Hockey East. It's a big departure from the old days when everyone in the league turned their heads and pretended their refs were the greatest and never missed anything (never mind not knowing the rules).
 
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Nick Papagiorgio said:
It seems like Hockey East is cracking down on the late penalties in games that are pretty much decided. Sitting the last 16 seconds in the box in a game that is done is not much of a price to pay for whacking the heck out of the other team's star player. In this case I am ok with the league reviewing and handing down something. 2 games may be a bit excessive unless there are prior issues with this particular player that is being disciplined.
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Pretty much agree. Given when it happened in the game, you need to make it clear that it's not okay to take cheap shots just because the game is essentially over and you're frustrated. That being said, this was a pretty mild case of that, and I'm not aware of Russo having any prior history of doing stuff like that and certainly not in his relatively short stint in Hockey East. One game would have sent the message, I agree that it becomes two games to shut Jackson up.
 
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