Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

And yet you believe every word of the police force that did this: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...erguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

Obviously since she's black she's lying! -old pio

Yup, that's what I've said, all right. Look, do you want to discuss this like an adult? If you do, then perhaps you can keep your bull sh*t ad hominem attacks in your pocket. I don't know what happened. And neither do you. But you're obviously quite comfortable assuming the worst. No investigation is necessary. You ought to change your screen name to Queen of Hearts.

One big pillar of the narrative has been destroyed: namely that young Mr. Brown was, a terrific kid who couldn't possibly have done anything to justify even being questioned by the cops let alone shot. That all sort of went out the window with the security footage showing that big thug up to his lips in a strong armed robbery. I suspect there will be more coming.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, we're not the judge and jury of Mike Brown or the officer for that matter. If you can have the opinion that Brown is a big black thug, then I can have an opinion that the officer was unjustified in his shooting, based on the information thus far. It's not like you know exactly what happened in the convenience store either but that hasn't stopped you from spouting off about it.

In short old pio can make assumptions about Brown but I can't form an opinion about the shooting or the actual issue for that matter #goodlogic

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, we're not the judge and jury of Mike Brown or the officer for that matter. If you can have the opinion that Brown is a big black thug, then I can have an opinion that the officer was unjustified in his shooting, based on the information thus far. It's not like you know exactly what happened in the convenience store either but that hasn't stopped you from spouting off about it.

In short old pio can make assumptions about Brown but I can't form an opinion about the shooting or the actual issue for that matter #goodlogic

I guess the difference would be, your twerpiness, that we have video of Brown. So his behavior in the convenience store is not a matter of conjecture or prejudice. Unless you're claiming the video can be interpreted in some way other than a strong arm robbery.

Ascribing racial animus to anyone who disagrees with you comes easily, doesn't it?

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Yes it is possible to interpret something differently than how FoxNews tells you you should. Maybe the clerk tried to detain him which is, in fact, illegal. No way of knowing for sure, better not form an opinion

It doesn't matter if we have video or not, it doesn't preclude you from forming an opinion and it's not likely that the eyewitnesses mis-saw someone get shot in the back from a distance while running away (unless they're lying because their community pressured them, ie lied because they're black).

 

[The Rube]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Yes it is possible to interpret something differently than how FoxNews tells you you should. Maybe the clerk tried to detain him which is, in fact, illegal. No way of knowing for sure, better not form an opinion

It doesn't matter if we have video or not, it doesn't preclude you from forming an opinion and it's not likely that the eyewitnesses mis-saw someone get shot in the back from a distance while running away (unless they're lying because their community pressured them, ie lied because they're black).

Well, a common mantra is "Snitches get stitches." So pressure IS possible, especially considering the bad history of the local police force and the community.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Yes it is possible to interpret something differently than how FoxNews tells you you should. Maybe the clerk tried to detain him which is, in fact, illegal. No way of knowing for sure, better not form an opinion

It doesn't matter if we have video or not, it doesn't preclude you from forming an opinion and it's not likely that the eyewitnesses mis-saw someone get shot in the back from a distance while running away (unless they're lying because their community pressured them, ie lied because they're black).

I was wrong. You're not a twerp. You're an a*shole. And a childish, unoriginal one at that.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Well, a common mantra is "Snitches get stitches." So pressure IS possible, especially considering the bad history of the local police force and the community.

Which is ironic given the FPD's silence for much of the details surrounding this case.

 

[The Rube]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Which is ironic given the FPD's silence for much of the details surrounding this case.

I am not saying it's right. I'm just telling it like it is.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Well, a common mantra is "Snitches get stitches." So pressure IS possible, especially considering the bad history of the local police force and the community.

We've actually had a pretty high level discussion on this right from the beginning. And we've generally stuck to our customary positions without personal attacks. But as W. C. Fields used to observe occasionally: "there's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply."

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Clarification: the Ferguson chief says Brown was not stopped because of the strong arm robbery at the convenience store. He was stopped, as we've previously been told, because he and his buddy were walking down the middle of the street. Watch the video of Brown swatting that clerk aside like a mosquito then intimidating him (it is a guy, BTW) on his way out with the cigars and ask yourself if this is a guy more or less capable of starting some sh*t with a cop. Brown's behavior in that video raises legitimate questions about his subsequent behavior with the cop. Brown was about the size of my great nephew (who BTW will be playing his college football for the Air Force Academy) and probably not as physically fit. But if my great nephew wanted to intimidate, he could easily do it.

http://www.cnn.com/

Until we (finally) hear anything approaching an official statement on what actually happened (both how the deadly force was applied and why), this doesn't amount to anything. At most, it's a theoretical justification for why the officer could have maybe been threatened.

Maybe it could very well be that Brown was a shoplifting ******** who liked to throw his weight around. That's not a capital offense. No one has put forth an account saying what the hell he did do that required taking him out. The burden of proof (or at the very least a convincing story with some amount of evidence) is on the PD, and the world is still waiting.

I don't want to go too far down this road with you, OP, but any assumptions about what Brown might have done to provoke this incident say more about the opinion holder than they do about Brown.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Since you may have him on ignore...I also believe SteveP has said similar a few times.

Now why would I have our resident hoser on ignore?

 

[MinnesotaNorthStar]

Now why would I have our resident hoser on ignore?

I don't know...it's hard to keep track of who has who on ignore these days.

 

[Slap Shot]

That is bullshiat, at least for the vast majority of cases.

Yes, I'm sure you know.

 

[Old Pio]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

Until we (finally) hear anything approaching an official statement on what actually happened (both how the deadly force was applied and why), this doesn't amount to anything. At most, it's a theoretical justification for why the officer could have maybe been threatened.

Maybe it could very well be that Brown was a shoplifting ******** who liked to throw his weight around. That's not a capital offense. No one has put forth an account saying what the hell he did do that required taking him out. The burden of proof (or at the very least a convincing story with some amount of evidence) is on the PD, and the world is still waiting.

I don't want to go too far down this road with you, OP, but any assumptions about what Brown might have done to provoke this incident say more about the opinion holder than they do about Brown.

Blow it out your barracks bag. The fact that this enormous punk strong armed a clerk to steal some cigars does not justify what happened to him subsequently. But it does do terrible, possibly fatal damage to the narrative (repeated endlessly) that he was a "good kid who was heading to college this week." That doesn't mean he deserved to die, of course. But to people who aren't emotionally invested in the narrative (like they were with the Duke "rape" case) it should raise some questions. Obviously, you have none. Let's try this: extend to the cop the same presumption of innocence you're been extending to Brown. Why don't you try waiting 'till the multiple, over lapping investigations of this regrettable incident are completed? But then, that would require you to stop braying about "racist cops." Not to mention temporarily suspending your cutesy suggestions that anyone disagreeing with your prejudiced assumptions is doing so out of racial animus.

 

[Handyman]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

A kid gets shot and killed and the only thing anyone seems to care about it using it to prove some sort of agenda. This truly is a nice planet...

I am not going to argue either way but it is remarkably shameful what some people on both sides of this debate have said to try and prove a point. How about instead of trying to measure your dicks and worry about who is to blame you feel bad that a kid was shot to death and no one seems to have any real idea why. I mean a kid is dead and people are arguing over whether a humvee is a tank or a peace sign makes you a thug...seriously?

 

[trixR4kids]

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We have a grainy video showing Brown push a store clerk and take some cigs. We have 3 (or more) eyewitnesses saying that Brown was shot in the back while running away. Clearly we should form the opinion that Brown is a big thug (*not racist) and presume the innocence of the police officer :straight face:

And yes I feel bad that this happened as well as the subsequent overreaction to the protests. But I also think it's important to hold law enforcement accountable and not allow them to murder with impunity because that happens way too often.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

A kid gets shot and killed and the only thing anyone seems to care about it using it to prove some sort of agenda. This truly is a nice planet...

I am not going to argue either way but it is remarkably shameful what some people on both sides of this debate have said to try and prove a point. How about instead of trying to measure your dicks and worry about who is to blame you feel bad that a kid was shot to death and no one seems to have any real idea why. I mean a kid is dead and people are arguing over whether a humvee is a tank or a peace sign makes you a thug...seriously?

Seriously, they don't look even remotely similar.

 

[Slap Shot]

We have a grainy video showing Brown push a store clerk and take some cigs. We have 3 (or more) eyewitnesses saying that Brown was shot in the back while running away. Clearly we should form the opinion that Brown is a big thug (*not racist) and presume the innocence of the police officer :straight face:

Love the usage of grainy. You're precisely sure how many witnesses are accurately making that claim? And of course The only people presuming innocence are those that question the cop committed murder.

 

[trixR4kids]

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There is Dorian Johnson ie Brown's friend, Tiffany (posted her video on here I think), and someone who live tweeted the entire event so at least 3.

And "presume innocence" was his terminology not mine.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

So let's just say that they were walking down the middle of the street as reported. Imagine if they had just used the convenient sidewalks instead of making themselves a nuisance that a cop had to address.

Is being in the street a capital offense? Should someone lose their life over it? Obviously not.

I'm certainly not here to make an excuse for a cop using excessive force - if that's what this turns out to be - but it just goes to show how a seemingly small choice can alter a destiny. Don't put yourself in that needless position and you never encounter that cop who may or may not have used excessive deadly force.


See the walking/standing in the streets BS from time to time and it's just an attempt to **** people off who are just trying to get from point a to point b. Hey look at me! You can't tell me what to do!

No... I can call a cop though.