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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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There was a somewhat similar incident in NYC two weeks ago in which a person was going to be arrested, resisted arrest, the police put him in a chokehold, and he died. Fortunately, no rioting.

The NYC police commissioner had some sound advice:

What we've seen in the past few months is a number of individuals failing to understand that you must submit to arrest. You cannot resist," said Mr. Bratton in a radio interview Tuesday. "The place to argue your case is in the court, not in the street."

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Mr. Bratton also said that police find themselves in black neighborhoods more often because that is where most of the 911 calls originate. So while liberals complain that these neighborhoods are "over-policed," the reality is that the law-abiding residents of those communities want the police there.
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The author of the article (who happens to be black, not that it should matter...) then went on to append his own commentary:

Black arrest rates reflect black criminality, not racial prejudice. The black crime rate in the 1950s was lower than it is today. Was there less racism back then? Data consistently show little if any difference between the rate at which police arrest blacks and the rate at which victims of crime identify blacks as their attackers. The problem is black behavior, a topic that the race hustlers and their media enablers studiously avoid.
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SteveP said:
I'm sorry that young Mr. Brown is dead - but do you honestly believe that cops start their shift hoping or even thinking of shooting someone, whether they be white, black or green?

Meanwhile, the unnamed officer has already been tried, convicted and sentenced to death by the court of public opinion. So spare me the double standard.

And ponder this -- has there been any report of the color of the unnamed officer? None that I have seen or can find. What will be the reaction if it turns out that he's one of the department's black officers?
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The witness said he was white. And if he was African American, they would've released the name already (presuming they have any sense, which is becoming more and more doubtful) because that would greatly diffuse the racial tensions.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The dead kid has been tried, convicted and sentenced to death as well. So, I won't spare you the double standard. We know the kids name.
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What we don't know is EXACTLY what happened. Let the investigations run their course. If the officer deserves to be tried, let him be tried, as Chief Bratton said, in a court of law, not by a lynch mob.
 
unofan said:
For me its a fairness thing. Police have no problems releasing the names of suspected kiddie diddlers or other suspects in heinous crimes who will clearly receive death threats from the community. Yet they go out of their way to hide the name of one of their own for safety concerns.

It's also a symptom of the bigger picture that they've told us jack shiat and it reeks of a cover up. The longer this goes with them giving a generic story with no confirmable details based solely on the word of an as yet unnamed officer, the less believable it becomes.

As I said, the attorney in charge has done an absolutely **** poor job from a public relations standpoint.
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As someone said on twitter: Now that we've met the Ferguson PD does anyone still believe the officer in question politely asked Mike Brown to walk on the sidewalk?
 
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MattS said:
I'm not sure anything gets accomplished but the thing that gets me here is why does this person deserve special treatment? Just because he is a cop? Any other average citizen doesn't get afforded that luxury. Mike Brown is getting tried in the court of public opinion and he's dead. But oh, heaven forbid the public knows who shot him because he wears a badge. It's either every name is released or no names are released. Otherwise we get favortism and it fuels the fire.
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Look at the torment George Zimmerman faced after his name was released to the public in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman received death threats, and even people who were unrelated to the man but shared his last name were being tormented by people, including a certain director in NYC telling people to go to that house and terrorize the occupants. People lose their minds at times like these. Have we as a society learned nothing from these highly charged racial situations in the past? Giving out this officer's name will serve no good other than to give the people a name to hate and torment.
 
SteveP said:
I'm sorry that young Mr. Brown is dead - but do you honestly believe that cops start their shift hoping or even thinking of shooting someone, whether they be white, black or green?
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All of them? No. But a tiny percentage could be on the fence psychologically and one jaywalking kid in a "not so nice" neighborhood could flip the officers switch.


I've heard the reports that state the officers weapon discharged into the vehicle. Should be pretty obvious to find damage to the car, right? After reading some of the transcripts from the 911 dispatch, I'm appalled at the actions of the department in never requesting an ambulance for hours and wanting backup for crowd control immediately instead.
 
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St. Clown said:
Look at the torment George Zimmerman faced after his name was released to the public in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman received death threats, and even people who were unrelated to the man but shared his last name were being tormented by people, including a certain director in NYC telling people to go to that house and terrorize the occupants. People lose their minds at times like these. Have we as a society learned nothing from these highly charged racial situations in the past? Giving out this officer's name will serve no good other than to give the people a name to hate and torment.
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Right. So those in charge should never give us any information again. Someone is likely to get mad.
 
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St. Clown said:
Look at the torment George Zimmerman faced after his name was released to the public in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman received death threats, and even people who were unrelated to the man but shared his last name were being tormented by people, including a certain director in NYC telling people to go to that house and terrorize the occupants. People lose their minds at times like these. Have we as a society learned nothing from these highly charged racial situations in the past? Giving out this officer's name will serve no good other than to give the people a name to hate and torment.
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What you're not getting is, that is exactly what these people want, a name to hate and torment. That's why they want it released, it isn't about equality, or any other bull****, they want a name to attach to this to lay the blame on, to make the newest racist devil incarnate.
 
bigblue_dl said:
What you're not getting is, that is exactly what these people want, a name to hate and torment. That's why they want it released, it isn't about equality, or any other bull****, they want a name to attach to this to lay the blame on, to make the newest racist devil incarnate.
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Oh shove it up your ***. Every other government worker is warned that potentially anything they do could become public knowledge if a proper open records request is made. Cops should not be any different.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
What you're not getting is, that is exactly what these people want, a name to hate and torment. That's why they want it released, it isn't about equality, or any other bull****, they want a name to attach to this to lay the blame on, to make the newest racist devil incarnate.
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That's exactly what it is. That's why the only answers we've gotten is "well, they tell us who the sexual molesters are so why not this cop."

There is also one other thing to consider, although to be candid I know nothing of Missouri law and I certainly haven't heard the authorities reference this.

In many states there are specific laws that make investigation of wrongdoing by a public employee private until such time as the investigation is concluded. And if the employee is exonerated, that information can even remain private. For example here is Minnesota's statute. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=13.43

Don't know if Missouri has a similar law, but right now I would guess that the officials of that community, under intense scrutiny, are trying to make sure they don't open themselves up to claims by any side, including from the officer.
 
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unofan said:
Oh shove it up your ***. Every other government worker is warned that potentially anything they do could become public knowledge if a proper open records request is made. Cops should not be any different.
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So? This will all be made public in due time. It's not like there is a manhunt for this guy. If releasing the name will calm the situation down, fine, release it. But, it won't. It will only make it worse and not only put this officer's life in danger (Cue Priceless), it will put other officers' lives, and even citizens, in danger that would be assigned to protect him.
 
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St. Clown said:
Look at the torment George Zimmerman faced after his name was released to the public in the shooting of Trayvon Martin. Zimmerman received death threats, and even people who were unrelated to the man but shared his last name were being tormented by people, including a certain director in NYC telling people to go to that house and terrorize the occupants. People lose their minds at times like these. Have we as a society learned nothing from these highly charged racial situations in the past? Giving out this officer's name will serve no good other than to give the people a name to hate and torment.
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You're right it did zero good for Zimmerman or anyone else. I just find it to be interesting that the government decides to halt that practice when it involves a cop. Almost every other person arrested or involved in an investigation gets their name released but not cops. We can't have that information out there. No,no,no,no. It wouldn't be right. :rolleyes:
 
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SJHovey said:
Don't know if Missouri has a similar law, but right now I would guess that the officials of that community, under intense scrutiny, are trying to make sure they don't open themselves up to claims by any side, including from the officer.
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You might be correct about the legal situation. However, I think you are seriously over estimating the intelligence of any government official in that city & probably state.
 
MinnesotaNorthStar said:
So? This will all be made public in due time. It's not like there is a manhunt for this guy. If releasing the name will calm the situation down, fine, release it. But, it won't. It will only make it worse and not only put this officer's life in danger (Cue Priceless), it will put other officers' lives, and even citizens, in danger that would be assigned to protect him.
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Grave danger?
 
joecct said:
But doesn't the State have more toys than the locals?
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If missouri is anything like iowa, they're also better trained and better cops, which is why they landed the highway patrol job and aren't stuck in the local p.d.
 
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joecct said:
But doesn't the State have more toys than the locals?
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Probably better training, too. One of the problems of the militarization of local PDs is the quality of local PD personnel and training.
 
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