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Nice Plant #7: Get me off of this planet

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dxmnkd316 said:
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This makes me sad...
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Which reminds me. Why isn't Bugs Bunny on Netflix or AppleTV? Is it just some contract p1ssing contest? I notice the Charlie Brown specials are finally all on it ("The Great Pumpkin" is, to this day, the most subversive thing that has ever been on American television.) I want my **** Bugs, ****it.
 
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St. Clown said:
Yes. Most new European immigrant populations to the US were compared to chimps, monkeys or apes at one point in time or another by the groups that arrived here prior to them. Feel free to research that one 'til the cows come home, though it should only take a couple minutes.
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You're reaching. I didn't ask if they were called that in certain neighborhoods of big cities in 1910. I asked if they are called that now and I've certainly never heard it used on anyone other than blacks - which it has been commonly used and still is.

For some unknown reason, you're taking the position that the cartoon is not racist. Good luck with that. The "president" doesn't look anything like Obama - not even a caricature of Obama. In the cartoon, it looks like a monkey brushing his teeth - with apparently watermelon flavored toothpaste.

I'm not saying you or anyone else needs to be offended by it (I'm not), but it's clearly racist (whether "intentionally" so or not) and being an apologist in support of it won't change anything.
 
Kepler said:
Remember, though, that "white" has evolved. In 1900 Italians weren't "white" yet. In 1850 the Irish weren't "white" yet. "White" is, after all, nothing real -- it's a social construct that indicates status and "normalcy." I fully expect that by 2050 Hispanics will be "white." Race is about social control, not biology.
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Yet the Japanese were considered "white" when it came to colonialism/imperialism. Immigration, though, was a completely different matter.
 
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trixR4kids said:
I mean if we just completely ignore the racial history of the US, it's totally the same thing.
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And if you take into account the context of what the cartoonist has said publicly, it totally is the same thing.
 
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Ok, obviously we should just take his word for it. He clearly doesn't have a dog in this race or anything :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
Remember, though, that "white" has evolved. In 1900 Italians weren't "white" yet. In 1850 the Irish weren't "white" yet. "White" is, after all, nothing real -- it's a social construct that indicates status and "normalcy." I fully expect that by 2050 Hispanics will be "white." Race is about social control, not biology.
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You're way off on that prediction. :rolleyes:

In a case that highlights continuing confusion over how to define Latino ethnicity, the television news network has set off a controversy over its continued use of the term “white Hispanic” to describe George Zimmerman, the man whose killing of unarmed, black Florida teenager Trayvon Martin set off a national debate about the persistence and nature of racism.
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joecct said:
Yet the Japanese were considered "white" when it came to colonialism/imperialism. Immigration, though, was a completely different matter.
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Mrs. Kepler's doctoral dissertation is about this.
 
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Kepler said:
Remember, though, that "white" has evolved. In 1900 Italians weren't "white" yet. In 1850 the Irish weren't "white" yet. "White" is, after all, nothing real -- it's a social construct that indicates status and "normalcy." I fully expect that by 2050 Hispanics will be "white." Race is about social control, not biology.
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Reminds me of when I was teaching IBM's parallel FORTRAN to high school kids at a summer program at Cornell's supercomputing facility in 1993. They were complaining about having to learn FORTRAN, because most of them already used C/C++. One of the staff members explained that FORTRAN was looking more and more like C all the time, and that within 20 years, serious science research would be using C - but they'd still be *calling* it FORTRAN. He was right, by the way, considering that modern FORTRAN is object oriented, allows concurrent threads, etc, and per wiki, "It is one of the most popular languages in the area of high-performance computing and is the language used for programs that benchmark and rank the world's fastest supercomputers."
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
Speaking of Saturday morning cartoons:

Amazon slaps Tom & Jerry with a racist warning
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It's not just Amazon, it's also iTunes that has the same disclaimer. The disclaimer isn't being applied by either of the retailers, rather it's WB that's added the disclaimers and asked the retailers to include it in their product descriptions.

I'm just happy that they're putting a disclaimer out there instead of censoring the offending episodes or removing the shows from their library of offerings entirely. Let the consumers decide if these shows are a problem or not.
 
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St. Clown said:
I'm just happy that they're putting a disclaimer out there instead of censoring the offending episodes or removing the shows from their library of offerings entirely. Let the consumers decide if these shows are a problem or not.
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Absolutely agree.
 
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I've never got what is so offensive about liking fried chicken and watermelon (stereotypes that I've always associated more with the south than just black people)...they're both delicious.
 
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St. Clown said:
I'm just happy that they're putting a disclaimer out there instead of censoring the offending episodes or removing the shows from their library of offerings entirely. Let the consumers decide if these shows are a problem or not.
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Yep, there's a big difference between throwing up a warning and dropping the content altogether.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
I've never got what is so offensive about liking fried chicken and watermelon (stereotypes that I've always associated more with the south than just black people)...they're both delicious.
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I feel the same way - and I grew up in the pseudo-South (East Tennessee was never really on board with the whole secession thing). It's just a good illustration that the offense is never in the word itself, but in how it is employed, and the experiences of the speaker and the listener. I assume there must be lots of people (of all races) who have legitimately experienced "fried chicken" being used in a racist way, even though that doesn't really match my experience. The first time I ever recall hearing it used as a racist term was when Fuzzy Zoeller made his comment about Augusta serving fried chicken after Tiger won the Masters - that was in 1997, when I was 25 years old. Since I didn't grow up with it, it's not "viscerally" racist to me, rather "consciously" racist - my head knows that it is a loaded term that I need to be careful with, but it doesn't resonate to my gut the way other racist terms do.
 
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St. Clown said:
It's not just Amazon, it's also iTunes that has the same disclaimer. The disclaimer isn't being applied by either of the retailers, rather it's WB that's added the disclaimers and asked the retailers to include it in their product descriptions.

I'm just happy that they're putting a disclaimer out there instead of censoring the offending episodes or removing the shows from their library of offerings entirely. Let the consumers decide if these shows are a problem or not.
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It's like when a TV station plays Blazing Saddles and they blank out the n-word. The whole point is portraying the initial racism of the characters as small-minded.
 
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