Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
Source pls? Also, nice that you conveniently leave out suicides by guns, wouldn't want to hurt your talking point. Guess those deaths don't really count.
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http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/
Your 300 million owned guns "stat" is deceiving as more and more it's a shrinking handful of owners owning their own private arsenals.
Conservatives talk about getting amendments passed for as valuable things as denying couples the right to marry. The 2nd amendment isn't some untouchable sacred golden idol to be worshiped.
I did leave suicides out, as I specifically wrote in my post. Suicides, in my opinion, are unique. It's just my personal opinion that when a person commits suicide, the method by which they choose to die doesn't really say anything about that method. That is, if a thousand people kill themselves by sitting in a closed garage with the car running, I don't think that says anything about cars or emission standards. If someone wants to kill themselves, sooner or later they are going to find a way to do it, and when gun control advocates try to use those numbers, I think you just lose credibility. It's like including accidental deaths.
And again most arent asking for one. Most want rules that are enforceable and actually help prevent gun violence. That is not a ban.
You mentioned cars, you know there are restrictions on driving privileges and you need to train to drive. You can also have your rights revoked and restricted. Yet the Right and the NRA dont feel we should have that for guns...
I understand, but the recent posts I responded to were all about the merits, or lack thereof, of a ban. A discussion on a ban is a waste of time. We might as well be talking about if we all just closed our eyes and wished the problem away, maybe it would disappear.
I think your car example is an excellent one. We do impose restrictions on who can use cars, and how they may be used. We also impose restrictions on the manufacturers of cars to try to make them safer and reduce deaths.
We also take similar steps with guns. With respect to their manufacture, there are undoubtedly safety standards which are designed to lead to fewer accidental deaths related to guns. I personally received a check one day for $2.79 because I was apparently part of a class action involving the Remington 1100 shotgun manufactured with a barrel which will explode when certain types of shells are used, so at least some lawyers are looking out for me.
Numerous states and cities also impose restrictions on things such as traveling with an uncased gun in your car, discharging a weapon in city limits, etc...
But what I ask people who tell me we have to impose new restrictions, tell me what restrictions you want to impose, and how they would have stopped events like Sandy Hook and Oregon?
The thing to remember about these shootings is they are still an extremely rare event. Furthermore, I suspect most cases are like Oregon, where all the purchases were legal. Tell me what you would do, and how would it have stopped this clown in Oregon?
My position on this is cold, and I admit as much, but it's a dangerous world we live in. Guns, cars, viruses, bears, whatever. We're just a living organism, and at any point in time there are thousands of things that can get us.
