Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
Is there any other land connected to Australia? No?
Thank you.
Is there any other land connected to Australia? No?
Thank you.
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Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
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Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
You should try it sometime.
CHI has a gun ban. Doesn't work. Why? Other landlocked areas are accessible. Guess what? AUS is surrounded by WATER. In these parameters of the discussion, AUS is an island. Keep trying.
You should try it sometime.
CHI has a gun ban. Doesn't work. Why? Other landlocked areas are accessible. Guess what? AUS is surrounded by WATER. In these parameters of the discussion, AUS is an island. Keep trying.
dxmnkd316
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Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
I don't think you understand that we're in the 21st century and that the world is accessible via multiple means of transportation.
What you're arguing is silly. If the US banned guns tomorrow, you'd see a huge drop in gun violence over the next ten years. Huge drop.
It doesn't matter if it's a whole continent or not. That being said, it's a competely moot point because the US isn't going to ban guns.
So I have no idea why you put Chicago out there as an example of why gun bans don't work in a national sense and then go on to state that Australia is a poor example because it's an island
Someone smarter than I am will put forward a better refutation. All I'm argu-asking is that gun bans work, the US isn't going to ban guns, so where do we go?
I don't think you understand that we're in the 21st century and that the world is accessible via multiple means of transportation.
What you're arguing is silly. If the US banned guns tomorrow, you'd see a huge drop in gun violence over the next ten years. Huge drop.
It doesn't matter if it's a whole continent or not. That being said, it's a competely moot point because the US isn't going to ban guns.
So I have no idea why you put Chicago out there as an example of why gun bans don't work in a national sense and then go on to state that Australia is a poor example because it's an island
Someone smarter than I am will put forward a better refutation. All I'm argu-asking is that gun bans work, the US isn't going to ban guns, so where do we go?
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Whatever happened to the Animals > Humans thread?
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
The Chicago gun ban is a useless comparison. Chicago's problem isn't it's gun ban, it's the fact the rest of Illinois has unrestricted access. Put steep gun restrictions nationwide and that's not happening. Oh there'd be a nice gun running business coming up from Mexico but the average citizen a) won't have access to it or b) if they did, likely wouldn't be able to afford it (the black market is not cheap).
Handyman
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Handyman
Hug someone you care about...
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
So we cant have strict gun laws because we cant stop people from getting them? Does that apply across the board? Are all things now supposed to be legal cause there is easy access? I am one phone call away from cheap heroin (not a joke) should we just make it legal since it would mean less laws and would be so much easier on the cops? When I was sixteen I could have gotten booze any number of ways, should we just end the legal drinking age? When I was 12 I was tall enough to drive a car and there was ample opportunity...is that cool too?
That standard is so ridiculous it defies imagination that educated beings truly believe it...
Most people dont want to ban guns nor could they if they wanted to. But I would rather ban them than have the road we are headed down. We cant even run proper background checks because the gun nuts find that too restrictive. Checking into the mental health and criminal activities should help solve many of these problems but nope cant do it because the Right has convinced the uninformed that will bring about gun bans and cops confiscating guns from homes. If people spent five seconds reading instead of acting like monkeys in a zoo wanking their cranks and throwing poo they might see that most of the solutions both sides want parallel...one side needs to just shut up and listen with their brain and not their trigger finger.
So we cant have strict gun laws because we cant stop people from getting them? Does that apply across the board? Are all things now supposed to be legal cause there is easy access? I am one phone call away from cheap heroin (not a joke) should we just make it legal since it would mean less laws and would be so much easier on the cops? When I was sixteen I could have gotten booze any number of ways, should we just end the legal drinking age? When I was 12 I was tall enough to drive a car and there was ample opportunity...is that cool too?
That standard is so ridiculous it defies imagination that educated beings truly believe it...
Most people dont want to ban guns nor could they if they wanted to. But I would rather ban them than have the road we are headed down. We cant even run proper background checks because the gun nuts find that too restrictive. Checking into the mental health and criminal activities should help solve many of these problems but nope cant do it because the Right has convinced the uninformed that will bring about gun bans and cops confiscating guns from homes. If people spent five seconds reading instead of acting like monkeys in a zoo wanking their cranks and throwing poo they might see that most of the solutions both sides want parallel...one side needs to just shut up and listen with their brain and not their trigger finger.
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
Both sides need to listen to each other.
I do believe there is a LOT of common ground between both sides, in general. And I think even both sides agree the NRA is generally nuts.
Common ground:
Seal up loopholes in existing laws
Really increase the mental health checks
Personally, even I'd be open to something along the lines that if one gains access to a gun purchased by a legit gun owner, and commits a crime, the legit owner is also penalized. Why? Well, a legit owner would (in theory) practice true gun safety/responsibility in owning said gun. Keeping it in a coded gun safe, etc. You wouldn't give out your ATM password, why would you share your gun safe code with someone else?
The wording would have to be very specific, to cover against a situation where say, I rob you while hunting or something, or blindside you while you are concealing/carrying, but you get the idea.
Would it be a PITA to create something like this? Yes. Is it better than another mass-shooting? Undoubtedly.
As a sidebar: a big issue is everyone (including me) is guilty of blaming "the other side." This is not a black-white issue. There's a LOT of gray/middle ground.
Both sides need to listen to each other.
I do believe there is a LOT of common ground between both sides, in general. And I think even both sides agree the NRA is generally nuts.
Common ground:
Seal up loopholes in existing laws
Really increase the mental health checks
Personally, even I'd be open to something along the lines that if one gains access to a gun purchased by a legit gun owner, and commits a crime, the legit owner is also penalized. Why? Well, a legit owner would (in theory) practice true gun safety/responsibility in owning said gun. Keeping it in a coded gun safe, etc. You wouldn't give out your ATM password, why would you share your gun safe code with someone else?
The wording would have to be very specific, to cover against a situation where say, I rob you while hunting or something, or blindside you while you are concealing/carrying, but you get the idea.
Would it be a PITA to create something like this? Yes. Is it better than another mass-shooting? Undoubtedly.
As a sidebar: a big issue is everyone (including me) is guilty of blaming "the other side." This is not a black-white issue. There's a LOT of gray/middle ground.
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
Think it kinda got buried somewhere mostly because they removed the easy posting of pictures option on this forum. Somebody probably could dig it up.
Think it kinda got buried somewhere mostly because they removed the easy posting of pictures option on this forum. Somebody probably could dig it up.
unofan
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that's the NRA talking. Bans work elsewhere, and even here for other goods (don't exactly see many fully automatic weapons in the U.S., do you?).
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
That's the anti-NRA talking. Drugs are banned, right (marijuana is sorta banned)? No one can get drugs easily! Oh wait. Never mind.
Bans. Won't. Work. Not for your everyday handguns, not for your everyday shotguns and rifles.
That's the anti-NRA talking. Drugs are banned, right (marijuana is sorta banned)? No one can get drugs easily! Oh wait. Never mind.
Bans. Won't. Work. Not for your everyday handguns, not for your everyday shotguns and rifles.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
What were the gun violence rates per capita in the other nations before the bans and what were they after the bans? I'm willing to bet that the bans are given more credit for the lower gun violence rates in those nations have to do with a different preferences with regards to gun usage from the start. We're a more violent nation, for whatever reason, than most of the developed world. Perhaps it's the Old West mentality we've embraced here.
What were the gun violence rates per capita in the other nations before the bans and what were they after the bans? I'm willing to bet that the bans are given more credit for the lower gun violence rates in those nations have to do with a different preferences with regards to gun usage from the start. We're a more violent nation, for whatever reason, than most of the developed world. Perhaps it's the Old West mentality we've embraced here.
unofan
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Oh horse hockey. Australia is a former penal colony. Britain has had internal conflicts long before the US was a glimmer in Columbus's eye.
We're more violent because our laws let us be, for better or worse.
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
There is something to be said about the evolution (or de-evolution) of a culture/society, though.
There is something to be said about the evolution (or de-evolution) of a culture/society, though.
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
We kill 10-12,000 people per year by gun in this country (excluding suicides). We kill 3x as many with cars. There are, conservatively, more than 300 million civilian owned guns in the U.S., and there is the little matter of the Second Amendment. Anyone who thinks a gun ban will ever be enacted here needs to put down the crack pipe and stop wasting our time.
We kill 10-12,000 people per year by gun in this country (excluding suicides). We kill 3x as many with cars. There are, conservatively, more than 300 million civilian owned guns in the U.S., and there is the little matter of the Second Amendment. Anyone who thinks a gun ban will ever be enacted here needs to put down the crack pipe and stop wasting our time.
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
Despite the misinterpretation of the Second 'Mendmunt!, there are indeed too many guns in circulation to make a ban even close to feasible. It all starts on accessibility, and I am in FAVOR of any mentally healthy, responsible, safety-first individual obtaining a gun.
Despite the misinterpretation of the Second 'Mendmunt!, there are indeed too many guns in circulation to make a ban even close to feasible. It all starts on accessibility, and I am in FAVOR of any mentally healthy, responsible, safety-first individual obtaining a gun.
Foxton
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Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
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http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism
Your 300 million owned guns "stat" is deceiving as more and more it's a shrinking handful of owners owning their own private arsenals.
Conservatives talk about getting amendments passed for as valuable things as denying couples the right to marry. The 2nd amendment isn't some untouchable sacred golden idol to be worshiped.
Source pls? Also, nice that you conveniently leave out suicides by guns, wouldn't want to hurt your talking point. Guess those deaths don't really count.
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http://www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9446193/gun-deaths-aids-war-terrorism
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/01/americas-top-killing-machine/384440/
Your 300 million owned guns "stat" is deceiving as more and more it's a shrinking handful of owners owning their own private arsenals.
Conservatives talk about getting amendments passed for as valuable things as denying couples the right to marry. The 2nd amendment isn't some untouchable sacred golden idol to be worshiped.
Re: Nice Planet X: I knew it, I'm surrounded by a-holes!
Sidebar:
Suicides, while tragic, are very separate from murders (mass or otherwise). It DOES affect others, but the suicidal person is only killing himself in most cases, and not killing others. Killing others is the basis of all this gun reform talk.
And I do NOT mean to make light of suicides, believe me. I have had a couple friends kill themselves. It's a horrible, horrible thing.
Sidebar:
Suicides, while tragic, are very separate from murders (mass or otherwise). It DOES affect others, but the suicidal person is only killing himself in most cases, and not killing others. Killing others is the basis of all this gun reform talk.
And I do NOT mean to make light of suicides, believe me. I have had a couple friends kill themselves. It's a horrible, horrible thing.
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