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Nice Planet: Screw It, I'm Outta Here

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SJHovey said:
Anyone can be an assault victim. Only a limited few can be a victim of assault based upon race.
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That's simply wrong. Anybody can be a victim of an assault based on race. Text of 18 USC 249 (and the various state hate crime laws) specify race, period. Not "black." Not "non-white." Race. And in fact you can commit a hate crime against your own race. Heck, Clarence Thomas practically does it as a job description.

You need to come out from whatever right wing internet rock you live under and actually read and research rather than lapping up the propaganda for dummies the Echo Chamber puts out.
 
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Kepler said:
That's simply wrong. Anybody can be a victim of an assault based on race. Text of 18 USC 249 (and the various state hate crime laws) specify race, period. Not "black." Not "non-white." Race. And in fact you can commit a hate crime against your own race. Heck, Clarence Thomas practically does it as a job description.

You need to come out from whatever right wing internet rock you live under and actually read and research rather than lapping up the propaganda for dummies the Echo Chamber puts out.
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Of course. But as I explaining to dx as you were figuring out ways to try to insult me, if I set out to assault someone, the entire population except me is a potential victim. But if I want to commit a hate crime, going to be tough for me to commit one against a fellow caucasian, at least based upon race.
 
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SJHovey said:
Of course. But as I explaining to dx as you were figuring out ways to try to insult me, if I set out to assault someone, the entire population except me is a potential victim. But if I want to commit a hate crime, going to be tough for me to commit one against a fellow caucasian, at least based upon race.
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The f-cking sh-t does that even mean? Do you think there shouldn't be laws against sexual assault? Hell, let's get rid of laws against burglary -- they disproportionately involve victims with property!

Nobody's insulting you here but you.
 
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Kepler said:
The f-cking sh-t does that even mean? Do you think there shouldn't be laws against sexual assault? Hell, let's get rid of laws against burglary -- they disproportionately involve victims with property!

Nobody's insulting you here but you.
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What is your problem here? I don't even oppose hate crime legislation. Where did I say that I did? I was responding to slapshot's theory that the purpose for hate crime legislation is that hate crimes are especially dangerous because they expand the potential victim pool. I called hogwash since by definition the victim needs to fall within a particular subset of the population.

I'm perfectly fine with enhancing penalties for a murder or assault or a rape or whatever if motivated by hate. Jeebus, go back and read my original response to slapshot.
 
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All crime is based on hate; if you loved your neighbor wouldn't commit crimes against them.

Now pick your flavor of hate:
- hate that they have more money - greed
- hate that they're banging your spouse - infidelity
- hate based on "differences" - pick the corresponding "-ism" here

I guess I'm too binary. Rape? Murder? I don't care "why" they did it (we know why: hate). Did they do it? If so, consequences forthwith.
 
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Hovey is wording it poorly, but you guys are actually agreeing with him.

He's not saying white people can't be a victim of a hate crime.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
All crime is based on hate; if you loved your neighbor wouldn't commit crimes against them.

Now pick your flavor of hate:
- hate that they have more money - greed
- hate that they're banging your spouse - infidelity
- hate based on "differences" - pick the corresponding "-ism" here

I guess I'm too binary. Rape? Murder? I don't care "why" they did it (we know why: hate). Did they do it? If so, consequences forthwith.
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Do you know what the differences between involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, murder 2, and murder 1 boil down to?

Motivation and mental state. So yes, we've always cared about "why" - you just don't care about this particular "why."
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
Hovey is wording it poorly, but you guys are actually agreeing with him.

He's not saying white people can't be a victim of a hate crime.
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We understand that with his having clarified it. Yet what he is saying is also inane.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
All crime is based on hate; if you loved your neighbor wouldn't commit crimes against them.

Now pick your flavor of hate:
- hate that they have more money - greed
- hate that they're banging your spouse - infidelity
- hate based on "differences" - pick the corresponding "-ism" here

I guess I'm too binary. Rape? Murder? I don't care "why" they did it (we know why: hate). Did they do it? If so, consequences forthwith.
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Dope..
 
The Rube said:
What if a minority assaults me because I am white and that person hates white people (whites have given a lot of reasons over the years, no denying that)? Or go back to my Greek Orthodox Church arson question and insert any race/ethnicity/etc?

For me, it's just...I dunno...too murky of where the line should be drawn.
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Of course it is.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
All crime is based on hate; if you loved your neighbor wouldn't commit crimes against them.

Now pick your flavor of hate:
- hate that they have more money - greed
- hate that they're banging your spouse - infidelity
- hate based on "differences" - pick the corresponding "-ism" here

I guess I'm too binary. Rape? Murder? I don't care "why" they did it (we know why: hate). Did they do it? If so, consequences forthwith.
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Republican? Democrat?

:D
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Is she that moron who follows around Jake Wohl?
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Yes. But that's not even her biggest accomplishment.

Her biggest accomplishment was last fall when she handcuffed herself to the door at Twitter in NYC to protest conservatives getting shadowbanned on Twitter. Rather, she handcuffed herself to one of the doors, meaning people could still use the other. She demanded she be arrested but no one at Twitter felt bothered enough to press charges, so the police just put some barricades around her and ignored her, essentially turning her into some sort of carnival sideshow. She eventually asked to have the handcuffs to be cut and left with literally nothing happening as a result.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/11/29...-laura-loomer-twitter-protest-handcuff-nyc-hq
 
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