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Nice Planet, Part 2: A-holes on parade

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Touche. But a guy living with his grandmother likely does not have Cinemax.
 
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Old Pio said:
Claims (and video) that first responders in Illinois took their own sweet time trying to rescue a man from freezing water. He didn't make it.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/04/illinois-firefighters-stand-idle-while-man-drowns/2/
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One thing that irks me about this is that many of the people out there making comments on this have little or zero experience in dealing with ice... What I mean is you can easily make a bad situation worse if you aren't careful when dealing with thin ice....

I can tell you that I don't feel that there is sufficent ice around my neck of the woods for ice fishing (Southwest Chicago Suburbs)... Down in Champaign, I can can only imagine how much worse the condition of any ice would be... I feel for the family of this gentleman and understand the frustration/outcry from observers, but I can also see things from the PD/Fire Crew's side of things... They can't just "dive in" head first on this one...
 
RaceBoarder said:
One thing that irks me about this is that many of the people out there making comments on this have little or zero experience in dealing with ice... What I mean is you can easily make a bad situation worse if you aren't careful when dealing with thin ice....

I can tell you that I don't feel that there is sufficent ice around my neck of the woods for ice fishing (Southwest Chicago Suburbs)... Down in Champaign, I can can only imagine how much worse the condition of any ice would be... I feel for the family of this gentleman and understand the frustration/outcry from observers, but I can also see things from the PD/Fire Crew's side of things... They can't just "dive in" head first on this one...
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right. You gotta wait and let the ice get good and thick before you would head out on it. And I would be hesitant to go out on ice that had snow dumped on it soon after it formed.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
right. You gotta wait and let the ice get good and thick before you would head out on it. And I would be hesitant to go out on ice that had snow dumped on it soon after it formed.
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My favorite line on this came from Garrison Keillor (whom I otherwise can't stand): "How do you know when it's time to get off the ice in the spring? It's time to get off the ice in the spring when you start to WONDER if it's time to get off the ice."
 
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RaceBoarder said:
One thing that irks me about this is that many of the people out there making comments on this have little or zero experience in dealing with ice... What I mean is you can easily make a bad situation worse if you aren't careful when dealing with thin ice....

I can tell you that I don't feel that there is sufficent ice around my neck of the woods for ice fishing (Southwest Chicago Suburbs)... Down in Champaign, I can can only imagine how much worse the condition of any ice would be... I feel for the family of this gentleman and understand the frustration/outcry from observers, but I can also see things from the PD/Fire Crew's side of things... They can't just "dive in" head first on this one...
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All true. And keeping volunteers from heading out there was absolutely the right thing to do. The problem, if there is one, is the length of time it took to get out to the victim. Plus, we've all seen those heartwarming videos of people rushing out on the ice to rescue a dog. So why not here? And why did it take so long? They had to know hypo-thermia kills. We all learned that watching Leonardo DiCaprio get turned into a popsicle.
 
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Old Pio said:
All true. And keeping volunteers from heading out there was absolutely the right thing to do. The problem, if there is one, is the length of time it took to get out to the victim. Plus, we've all seen those heartwarming videos of people rushing out on the ice to rescue a dog. So why not here? And why did it take so long? They had to know hypo-thermia kills. We all learned that watching Leonardo DiCaprio get turned into a popsicle.
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We see those heartwarming videos because of luck. Those videos could have just have easily ended with a dead dog AND some dead rescuers. The same thing here. They followed their protocols for ice rescues and from what I have been reading those are pretty standard protocols around the country. They have to follow those to minimize the risk of injury and death to themselves and others. Looking at the video, as somoene who has spent a fair amount of time on ice, that ice is not good ice. Its cloudy and snow covered and likley varies in thickness quite dramatically in some areas (probably pretty thin in some spots to plenty thick to walk on in others and it may change thickness by several inches within a few feet of walking distance). They had to take the time to assess all of these variables, figure out the safest path to him and which procedure would be best suited to minimize risk to all. Sure someone could have played hero and went out there and tried to get him quickly, but we could just as easily be talking about 2 or 3 deaths instead of 1. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the rescuers here, especially since we dont know the whole story as in why was that guy on the ice in the first place. He took his life into his own hands when we walked out there. Every year at this time I always see releases from DNR and Fish and Game agencies warning people about ice and that it is their duty to be safe and have all necessary protective and safety gear with them. It is sad that he died but I just cant blame the rescuers here. It easy to point fingers and blame but I think if we were in their shoes we would see it differently (and Im speaking mostly of the people making comments at the link).
 
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People ask me if I ice fish. I say, "No. My wife lets me drink inside."
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Looks like our Alaskan friends will freeze to death, thanks to the EPA. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/4/epa-s-chilling-effect/
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Speaking of the EPA's utter stupidity, when I was at my parents house over the holidays, and my dad tossed me a magazine with an article in it that he wanted me to read. The topic of the article was the EPA's new regulation on agricultural dust, which was luckily shelved. I read it several weeks ago, so I apologize if I get details wrong. The regulations said that no vehicle could travel faster than 10mph on non-paved roads and no tillage or harvesting operations could occur during the daytime. My jaw practically hit the floor. I couldn't believe people could be so stupid, until I realized how many millions of people voted for that ape in the white house, and it all made sense. We're ****ed as a country.

edit: I did a google search, it seems like this wasn't seriously considered, thank parise. Maybe there is some common sense out there, but I still wouldn't go to the EPA in search of it.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Speaking of the EPA's utter stupidity, when I was at my parents house over the holidays, and my dad tossed me a magazine with an article in it that he wanted me to read. The topic of the article was the EPA's new regulation on agricultural dust, which was luckily shelved. I read it several weeks ago, so I apologize if I get details wrong. The regulations said that no vehicle could travel faster than 10mph on non-paved roads and no tillage or harvesting operations could occur during the daytime. My jaw practically hit the floor. I couldn't believe people could be so stupid, until I realized how many millions of people voted for that ape in the white house, and it all made sense. We're ****ed as a country.
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No wonder the had been frantically paving roads where I grew up... I'd cruise down dirt roads at 45 MPH there all the time!
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
No wonder the had been frantically paving roads where I grew up... I'd cruise down dirt roads at 45 MPH there all the time!
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45? We rarely go that slow. In fact, I think the fastest I've his is around 105mph, but that was a little crazy, you really start to drift around the road above about 80mph.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
45? We rarely go that slow. In fact, I think the fastest I've his is around 105mph, but that was a little crazy, you really start to drift around the road above about 80mph.
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Your roads are probably also straight and flat. Ours aren't.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
We have some of both. Though, none of them are flat. I grew up in "bluff country" there isn't much flat in that part of southeastern MN.
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There's some tight curves on some of the roads in Upstate NY. And when I say upstate, I mean north of the latitude of the southern edge of Lake Ontario.
 
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