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Nice Planet © 2009

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Foxton said:
Obviously it's hard to realize that it was the fact that the prayer was organized and not just ol gramma and granpa saying a prayer before they dug in, that was at issue (and a small issue it was). But then it's obvious that misrepresenting it as "kind old seniors being forced not to pray" will get more knee jerk religious reaction.
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And if this was a story about Islamic terrorists not being given a chance to pray 5 times a day while being held by our government, you would be ranting to no end. :rolleyes:
 
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Foxton said:
Obviously it's hard to realize that it was the fact that the prayer was organized and not just ol gramma and granpa saying a prayer before they dug in, that was at issue (and a small issue it was). But then it's obvious that misrepresenting it as "kind old seniors being forced not to pray" will get more knee jerk religious reaction.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand it, it was the "victims" of this unwarranted intrusion of religion into their lives who "organized" the grace. There was no "prayermaster" at the seniors center demanding that they say the prayer or forgo the fruit cup. Not every issue involving religion or its expression is a matter for the immediate attention of the Supreme Court. And if the decision WASN'T "kind old seniors being forced not to pray," then what was it? To them, a "moment of silence" is not an acceptable substitute and is arbitrary and capricious. So?
 
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bigblue_dl said:
And if this was a story about Islamic terrorists not being given a chance to pray 5 times a day while being held by our government, you would be ranting to no end. :rolleyes:
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Well, are christian prisoners being allowed to pray? Jewish ones? How bout any of the other belief systems? Why single out the muslims in that case? If they are asking for special permissions to go out and do something that other prisons are not allowed to do, then obviously no.

Maybe you should compare similar situations. Rather than just being a retard.
 
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Foxton said:
Well, are christian prisoners being allowed to pray? Jewish ones? How bout any of the other belief systems? Why single out the muslims in that case? If they are asking for special permissions to go out and do something that other prisons are not allowed to do, then obviously no.

Maybe you should compare similar situations. Rather than just being a retard.
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I repeat.
:rolleyes:

and I'm not going to waste my time trying to argue with you further, I just wanted to make that point
 
goldy_331 said:
These people were at their home.
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One they share.



That said, let them pray at the table. As much as I find it ludicrous when some insist on broadcasting their religious affiliation, a prayer before a meal is rather harmless and nondescript if you ask me.
 
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Slap Shot said:
One they share.



That said, let them pray at the table. As much as I find it ludicrous when some insist on broadcasting their religious affiliation, a prayer before a meal is rather harmless and nondescript if you ask me.
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Exactly. I believe the Supreme Court's phrase is "harmless deism."
 
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Old Pio said:
And if the decision WASN'T "kind old seniors being forced not to pray," then what was it? To them, a "moment of silence" is not an acceptable substitute and is arbitrary and capricious. So?
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Would "quiet thanks and reflection time" sound better than "moment of silence"? Nowhere did it state the seniors were not being allowed to pray, they just weren't having a verbal group prayer.
 
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wolverineTrumpet said:
Would "quiet thanks and reflection time" sound better than "moment of silence"? Nowhere did it state the seniors were not being allowed to pray, they just weren't having a verbal group prayer.
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They didn't want that. To them, it wasn't the same thing. So?
 
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Apologies for the DP, but this is just sad and wrong. I think we can rule out random vandalism, given the location of the memorial and the obvious effort it took to take the thing down. It appears as though the perpetrators were "trying to make a statement." They did, but not the one they intended, because this action will be nearly universally condemned.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/11/thieves-steal-mojave-desert-memorial-cross-nighttime-heist/
 
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Old Pio said:
Apologies for the DP, but this is just sad and wrong. I think we can rule out random vandalism, given the location of the memorial and the obvious effort it took to take the thing down. It appears as though the perpetrators were "trying to make a statement." They did, but not the one they intended, because this action will be nearly universally condemned.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/11/thieves-steal-mojave-desert-memorial-cross-nighttime-heist/
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Where was Foxton when this happened?
 
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goldy_331 said:
Where was Foxton when this happened?
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Old Pio said:
Not sure. He may have wriggled out of his ankle bracelet, although I doubt he'd approve of this vandalism. :D
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I do support it being taken down after a brief look at the history of it, especially that the bruhaha about it came up after someone wanted to put in a buddhist shrine and it was declined. If you're going to let one religious symbol stand on public land, others should be be able to do so as well. And that is clearly a religious symbol, they even hold easter services there.

But going out and stealing it was stupid considering that it was covered up while it's being pushed around the court system.
 
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Foxton said:
I do support it being taken down after a brief look at the history of it, especially that the bruhaha about it came up after someone wanted to put in a buddhist shrine and it was declined. If you're going to let one religious symbol stand on public land, others should be be able to do so as well. And that is clearly a religious symbol, they even hold easter services there.

But going out and stealing it was stupid considering that it was covered up while it's being pushed around the court system.
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figures :rolleyes:
 
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Here's a guy bucking real hard for the "Danny Almonte" award:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/12/police-star-athlete-texas-school-actually/?test=latestnews

But if you want to keep playing high school basketball 'til you're eligible for Medicare, why would you do it in west Texas? There are some pretty dimwitted school administrators in Hawaii. But Permian high school in Odessa? The two biggest sports there are football and spring football. Besides, who wants to relive ten seconds of high school?
 
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http://www.chicagobreakingnews.com/...basketball-team-trip-to-arizona-scrapped.html

So somebody has his/her knickers in a twist about the Arizona immigration law and comes up with the genius idea of taking it out on the Little Giants' girls basketball team. Brilliant. And that ridiculous rhetoric about how "we want our girls (from this upper middle class suburb) to be safe." Bull. If you want to make a gesture, withdraw from the "Useless High School Administrators" convention, that'll show 'em. But let the girls
enjoy their rewards.*


*Old Pio Trip Down Memory Lane Alert: There was a time when Highland Park was in a conference called the Suburban League, the oldest, most prestigious and best high school conference in Illinois (long since broken up because of travel costs and other factors). Anyway, one year my high school beat them in football when they were ranked #1, and on the front page of the Sunday Tribune sports section was the story of the game which featured an allegation that we had excessively watered our field. The source for this nonsense was some clown from Highland Park who claimed he was driving around my hometown early Saturday morning and saw the sprinkling going on. 'Course the varsity games were at two in those days, (preceeded by the Sophomores at noon and the Freshmen at 9) which means they would have had to do a heap of sprinkling to affect the field all those hours later. Not to mention the fact that both teams would have to play on the same field. You gotta love high school sports, always some controversy, some conspiracy, somebody cheating.
 
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Old Pio said:
Here's a guy bucking real hard for the "Danny Almonte" award:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/12/police-star-athlete-texas-school-actually/?test=latestnews

But if you want to keep playing high school basketball 'til you're eligible for Medicare, why would you do it in west Texas? There are some pretty dimwitted school administrators in Hawaii. But Permian high school in Odessa? The two biggest sports there are football and spring football. Besides, who wants to relive ten seconds of high school?
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They talked about this on the radio on my way to work. Their theory was basically he did it because of all of the high school cheerleader *** he could get.
 
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