Nice Planet 3: I Can't Believe I Share A Planet With THESE People!

[Gurtholfin]

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They may welcome it or they may not. Seems that more and more, all conservatives are being lumped together - see the rape comments made by the guys in Missouri and Indiana.

By not commenting on these whack-jobs and shooting them down, and by appearing on their shows, Republicans risk being lumped in with the weather weapons and government has too many bullets crowd. If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be linking any guests of Mr. Jones (who weren't on his show to dispute him) to his crazy ideas.

Over and over and over.

 

[The Rube]

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They may welcome it or they may not. Seems that more and more, all conservatives are being lumped together - see the rape comments made by the guys in Missouri and Indiana.

By not commenting on these whack-jobs and shooting them down, and by appearing on their shows, Republicans risk being lumped in with the weather weapons and government has too many bullets crowd. If I were a Democratic strategist, I'd be linking any guests of Mr. Jones (who weren't on his show to dispute him) to his crazy ideas.

Over and over and over.

IMO, that goes for both parties. I know when I've voiced my opinion on guns, I sometimes immediately get labeled a "right wing nut job." Until they hear some of my other views. Yeah, oops. I only slightly lean towards the right.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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IMO, that goes for both parties. I know when I've voiced my opinion on guns, I sometimes immediately get labeled a "right wing nut job." Until they hear some of my other views. Yeah, oops. I only slightly lean towards the right.

Probably true, but the left-wing nut-jobs don't have the platform or number of concentrated followers as the right.

In addition, to someone in the middle, saving an endangered species doesn't seem as out there as the government has ways to control tornados which they will unleash on their own citizens or that a woman's body can protect itself from pregnancy during a rape.

One side is hippy-dippy and maybe a little too kind-hearted and unrealistic. The other side is bat-**** crazy.

Generalizations? Of course, but we're really talking about undecided voters here which aren't always the most nuanced.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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IMO, that goes for both parties. I know when I've voiced my opinion on guns, I sometimes immediately get labeled a "right wing nut job." Until they hear some of my other views. Yeah, oops. I only slightly lean towards the right.

Same here. And then people hear my thoughts on abortion (I don't like it, but I'm not a woman, so it's their business), and I'm suddenly a murderous libtard no better than Eichmann.

 

[MountieBoyOz]

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Same here. And then people hear my thoughts on abortion (I don't like it, but I'm not a woman, so it's their business), and I'm suddenly a murderous libtard no better than Eichmann.

Or they hear my views on setting up an express lane to execute child molesters and cop killers and I'm a guy that wants to kill everyone.

 

[The Rube]

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Same here. And then people hear my thoughts on abortion (I don't like it, but I'm not a woman, so it's their business), and I'm suddenly a murderous libtard no better than Eichmann.

Or my free speech for everyone, no matter how vile.

 

[Old Pio]

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The scary thing is that there are many people - fellow US citizens - that find his theories to be completely plausible.


I doubt that too many liberals read the "God punishing conservatives" tweet and thought it was plausible.


Just wondering if Hannity, Rush and all the other conservative blowhards and officials are as outraged by this as they were by her tweet.

It's in a discussion like this where it's helpful to distinguish between numerical and statistical. Numerically, there are probably quite a few barking moonbats in America. Statistically, not so much.

In Islam, for instance, it may be that only one one tenth of one percent of 'em are vicious thugs who would decapitate a British GI on a busy street, then proclaim what they'd done and why, with hands dripping with blood, to some lady with her I-phone. The trouble is, with a billion Muslims, that means at least a million of them are stark staring crackers, capable of the most violent, brutal acts, all in the name of Allah.

 

[The Rube]

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It's in a discussion like this where it's helpful to distinguish between numerical and statistical. Numerically, there are probably quite a few barking moonbats in America. Statistically, not so much.

In Islam, for instance, it may be that only one one tenth of one percent of 'em are vicious thugs who would decapitate a British GI on a busy street, then proclaim what they'd done and why to some lady with her I-phone. The trouble is, with a billion Muslims, that means at least a million of them are stark staring crackers, capable of the most violent, brutal acts, all in the name of Allah.

You do indeed have a point with this post. It's scary.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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It's in a discussion like this where it's helpful to distinguish between numerical and statistical. Numerically, there are probably quite a few barking moonbats in America. Statistically, not so much.

In Islam, for instance, it may be that only one one tenth of one percent of 'em are vicious thugs who would decapitate a British GI on a busy street, then proclaim what they'd done and why, with hands dripping with blood, to some lady with her I-phone. The trouble is, with a billion Muslims, that means at least a million of them are stark staring crackers, capable of the most violent, brutal acts, all in the name of Allah.

Fair enough. But the moonbats can and do vote in our elections and to some extent, influence our politicians.

Sure, muslim terrorists can kill Americans right here in the states, but statistically, the moonbats voting (or influencing politicians) are FAR more likely to directly effect my life than the terrorists.

I'm not overly worried about them, but I have friends who listen to that crap. They claim it's just for entertainment, but their political views are straight conservative and I've heard them say some odd almost conspiracy sorts of things so I don't think it's a huge leap for them to go off the deep end.

They're college educated, otherwise intelligent people too.

 

[Old Pio]

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Probably true, but the left-wing nut-jobs don't have the platform or number of concentrated followers as the right.

In addition, to someone in the middle, saving an endangered species doesn't seem as out there as the government has ways to control tornados which they will unleash on their own citizens or that a woman's body can protect itself from pregnancy during a rape.

One side is hippy-dippy and maybe a little too kind-hearted and unrealistic. The other side is bat-**** crazy.

Generalizations? Of course, but we're really talking about undecided voters here which aren't always the most nuanced.

Faulty analysis. Because there's no left wing radio equivalent of Limbaugh, you argue the "left wing nut jobs" don't have a platform. They do, just different platforms. And part of what has gotten Slappy White's administration in trouble up to its lips is this impulse to delegitimize Fox. Some folks who are not conservative are finally snapping to the fact that if they can read other people's e-mails or abuse them with the IRS for purely for political reasons, then Slappy can do it to them. The left screamed about Limbaugh, even blamed him for Oklahoma City (this was the POTUS, by the way, not some internet weirdo) and speculated about using Section 315 to essentially emasculate him. There's no EEOC for radio. For whatever reason, conservative views dominate there. That's all about free speech and free people choosing a form of entertainment they prefer. "Liberals" should respect that. Many don't. There's no EEOC for the views that should predominate in, say, faculty clubs. Nor should there be. But nobody denies the primacy of liberal views there.

We're past the point where anyone can seriously argue the MSM don't lean to the left. Perhaps not hard left, but left nonetheless. New media have made it possible for other views to be heard and for excesses to be challenged. We're past the point where an MSM reporter can slyly suggest on a network "news" report that a Republican presidential nominee is going to link up with German right wingers in "Hitler's old stomping ground," and that's a good thing.

 

[Old Pio]

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Fair enough. But the moonbats can and do vote in our elections and to some extent, influence our politicians.

Sure, muslim terrorists can kill Americans right here in the states, but statistically, the moonbats voting (or influencing politicians) are FAR more likely to directly effect my life than the terrorists.

I'm not overly worried about them, but I have friends who listen to that crap. They claim it's just for entertainment, but their political views are straight conservative and I've heard them say some odd almost conspiracy sorts of things so I don't think it's a huge leap for them to go off the deep end.

They're college educated, otherwise intelligent people too.

Aren't they balanced at the ballot box by Little Dick's legions of lofo voters?

The GOP made a pact with the devil, IMO, when it sought and got support from evangelicals. And they pay a price for it every election cycle when very extreme evangelical types make extreme statements about abortion.

For years, Democrats invited the "National Welfare Rights Organization" to its conventions. They paid a similar price. Look, in a system like ours, the two parties wind up assimilating groups and views which don't always reflect mainstream thinking. And the other party spends a lot of time and money smearing the opposition with those extreme views.

To be brutally honest about it, most of the people who post here (left and right) are far more informed than John Q. Citizen. Thus, we aren't representative of what's going on in the "real" world. I think you'll find there are a lot of nutty points of view out there. And our individual perceptions of which nutty points of view seem to predominate are influenced by the circles we run in. Thus NYTimes drama critic Pauline Kael who couldn't understand how Nixon could be elected because "nobody I know voted for him." Exactly.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Faulty analysis. Because there's no left wing radio equivalent of Limbaugh, you argue the "left wing nut jobs" don't have a platform. They do, just different platforms. And part of what has gotten Slappy White's administration in trouble up to its lips is this impulse to delegitimize Fox. Some folks who are not conservative are finally snapping to the fact that if they can read other people's e-mails or abuse them with the IRS for purely for political reasons, then Slappy can do it to them. The left screamed about Limbaugh, even blamed him for Oklahoma City (this was the POTUS, by the way, not some internet weirdo) and speculated about using Section 315 to essentially emasculate him. There's no EEOC for radio. For whatever reason, conservative views dominate there. That's all about free speech and free people choosing a form of entertainment they prefer. "Liberals" should respect that. Many don't. There's no EEOC for the views that should predominate in, say, faculty clubs. Nor should there be. But nobody denies the primacy of liberal views there.

We're past the point where anyone can seriously argue the MSM don't lean to the left. Perhaps not hard left, but left nonetheless. New media have made it possible for other views to be heard and for excesses to be challenged. We're past the point where an MSM reporter can slyly suggest on a network "news" report that a Republican presidential nominee is going to link up with German right wingers in "Hitler's old stomping ground," and that's a good thing.

Far left. Not simply liberal. Where is there a far left platform equivalent to Beck or Jones or Drudge? Who's got those kind of numbers. I also said they had loyal followers which i haven't seen in great numbers on the left.

Not saying they don't exist, but I haven't heard of them.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Aren't they balanced at the ballot box by Little Dick's legions of lofo voters?

No, not always and not often in local or state elections.

Hence they are far more likely to directly effect my life than the apparent million muslim terrorists in the world.

 

[The Rube]

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Fair enough. But the moonbats can and do vote in our elections and to some extent, influence our politicians.

Sure, muslim terrorists can kill Americans right here in the states, but statistically, the moonbats voting (or influencing politicians) are FAR more likely to directly effect my life than the terrorists.

I'm not overly worried about them, but I have friends who listen to that crap. They claim it's just for entertainment, but their political views are straight conservative and I've heard them say some odd almost conspiracy sorts of things so I don't think it's a huge leap for them to go off the deep end.

They're college educated, otherwise intelligent people too.

On that note, I cannot discuss politics with my father. He is the epitome of the left wing hardliners. I say the word "conservative" and he goes off, irrationally. There is no rhyme nor reason. Note for the record: before he worked for the state, he was conservative. I dunno what changed, but it changed. Sometimes. SOMEtimes, it starts off as a good give and take, and then he puts his tinfoil hat on, and goes full blown left wing crazy (and I do mean exactly what I said; mother is a liberal, and she shakes her head. She's a liberal IF you had to label her one side or the other, much like I'm "conservative").

 

[Gurtholfin]

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On that note, I cannot discuss politics with my father. He is the epitome of the left wing hardliners. I say the word "conservative" and he goes off, irrationally. There is no rhyme nor reason. Note for the record: before he worked for the state, he was conservative. I dunno what changed, but it changed. Sometimes. SOMEtimes, it starts off as a good give and take, and then he puts his tinfoil hat on, and goes full blown left wing crazy (and I do mean exactly what I said; mother is a liberal, and she shakes her head. She's a liberal IF you had to label her one side or the other, much like I'm "conservative").

My situation is the opposite. Dad was a Democrat all of his life. Then he retired in 95 and started spending his time watching Fox News in the late 90s.

He was always a black and white guy it's just that what was once black is now white and what was once white is now black.

I'm a big grey area guy and not being able to have a somewhat reasonable conversation has made it so that I've actually outlawed political discussions of any sort when my family and my parents are together. My wife is a staunch liberal, I lean left and my mom was big on women's lib, so political discussions with someone who takes all of his thoughts from Faux and who thinks that talking louder or yelling wins arguments is out of the question.

To his credit, he knows better than to cross me on this.

 

[Old Pio]

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Far left. Not simply liberal. Where is there a far left platform equivalent to Beck or Jones or Drudge? Who's got those kind of numbers. I also said they had loyal followers which i haven't seen in great numbers on the left.

Not saying they don't exist, but I haven't heard of them.

I said not far left. Interestingly, MSM media reports consistently make mention of "hard" right, "extreme" right "far" right etc. But rarely, ifever, mention "hard" left or "extreme" left. I think the one explanation we can rule out is that there isn't a "hard" or "extreme" or "far" left. However, liberal is a perfectly good word and accurately describes the bias of the MSM.

There are plenty of liberal outlets and I'm surprised that an apparently honest person like yourself can plead ignorance of their existence. Check with Priceless, he links to over the top lefty sites every single day. Again, you're using faulty analysis. If there isn't a lefty equivalent of Beck then there's some sort of problem. There's no problem. He's just found an audience. And the people who feel like you (and me) about him, simply don't consume his product. They tried an all liberal talk network a few years ago and it fell flat on its a*s. Que sera sera. What you've come close to suggesting is that opinion needs to be parceled out, and balanced out, by the FCC for instance. Or some other "officials" to make free speech "fair." That's not how it's supposed to work.

Months ago I posted a link from the Fox site for some article or another. This was immediately met with the internet equivalent of cat calls and arched eyebrows from the likes of Kepler. Subsequently I posted an identical article (allowing for rewrite differences) from the NYT, and that was approved.

 

[Old Pio]

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No, not always and not often in local or state elections.

Hence they are far more likely to directly effect my life than the apparent million muslim terrorists in the world.

I'm talking about the lofo voters for whom a requirement to show an ID before they cast a ballot has been compared to Jim Crow. For the most part, Democrats haven't gotten around to advocating extending the franchise to Muslim terrorists. But given their efforts to allow non-citizens to vote in municipal elections (NYC) it seems like just a matter of time.

So the comparison of lofo right wing voters to Muslim terrorists is faulty. Apples to apples, don't you know. I'm pretty sure the Hardword brothers weren't all that concerned about the political views of the Bostonians they killed and maimed.

 

[The Rube]

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My situation is the opposite. Dad was a Democrat all of his life. Then he retired in 95 and started spending his time watching Fox News in the late 90s.

He was always a black and white guy it's just that what was once black is now white and what was once white is now black.

I'm a big grey area guy and not being able to have a somewhat reasonable conversation has made it so that I've actually outlawed political discussions of any sort when my family and my parents are together. My wife is a staunch liberal, I lean left and my mom was big on women's lib, so political discussions with someone who takes all of his thoughts from Faux and who thinks that talking louder or yelling wins arguments is out of the question.

To his credit, he knows better than to cross me on this.

There is the problem with today's people. Few are gray.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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Fair enough. But the moonbats can and do vote in our elections and to some extent, influence our politicians.

As we all know, most non-moonbats feel resigned to vote for the lesser of two evils. It's why, after being suckered into Obama in 2008, I'm glad I wrote in "None of the Above" for President in 2012, and it's not because I'm some paranoid, anarchist dingbat.

 

[Old Pio]

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As we all know, most non-moonbats feel resigned to vote for the lesser of two evils. It's why, after being suckered into Obama in 2008, I'm glad I wrote in "None of the Above" for President in 2012, and it's not because I'm some paranoid, anarchist dingbat.

Sez you.