Good for the father. Got right on top of fixing that sick pervert.Not sure if this belongs here or the genuinely nice planet thread.![]()
It's hard not to have a smidgeon of respect for you, it must be an incredibly feat just for you to get through the day without choking on your own saliva."Very little" is more than none, right?
From about a week ago in this same thread:Good for the father. Got right on top of fixing that sick pervert.
Jeez, I hope that story's not true. Annecdotally we read of teachers concerned about touching students for fear of being reported. And let's face it, kids are ten thousand times more sophisticated about these things than when I was a kid. And many parents are all too willing to believe just about any fairy tale a kid can make up. The day care witch hunt trials of the 90's should prove that point. Remember Ellie Nessler? She murdered the guy who apparantly molested her kid, IN COURT! And many people were willing to excuse her because, you know, he molested her kid. They weren't able to see that establishing a precedent whereby victims' families can murder their victimizers can lead us to a place where we don't want to go.
I'm not sure if this would really go here, compared to whatever other thread people might use to talk about the fight, but this is worth chewing on.Judges in the Pacquiao fight.
From about a week ago in this same thread:
The thing about this point for me is that I think Jehovah's witnesses are a little nuts, but I have met at least one other Jehovah's Witness who did believe that to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance was a form of idolatry. I think that's goofy, but if that's what her religion tells her, assuming that she really believes that, and it seems to mesh with what some other people of the same religion believe, I think people need to let it go.I think I know what you mean, duper, but I disagree. Standing for the Pledge is merely showing respect for the country and those people around you. Placing your hand over your heart makes you a participant in it - tacitly agreeing with the Pledge. I'm not asking her to take the Pledge, just stand and show respect for those that are and the country it represents. It is similar to proper etiquette when a national anthem is played: stand and remove your hat. I assume you do that when Oh, Canada is played (assuming you are American). It doesn't make you a Canadian or even a Canadian sympathizer, it just means you are showing respect to Canada and Canadians.
By "griping" that she doesn't stand for the Pledge, they are tacitly saying that her religion is less valid than their religion, or lack thereof, or whatever. I would be willing to bet that all staff knows why she doesn't stand for the Pledge, but they have no respect for her religion. In other words, they are, to me, the same as her; they want to get respect without feeling the need to give it.What are the "idiots" doing that's either intolerant or ignorant?
The thing about this point for me is that I think Jehovah's witnesses are a little nuts, but I have met at least one other Jehovah's Witness who did believe that to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance was a form of idolatry. I think that's goofy, but if that's what her religion tells her, assuming that she really believes that, and it seems to mesh with what some other people of the same religion believe, I think people need to let it go.
By "griping" that she doesn't stand for the Pledge, they are tacitly saying that her religion is less valid than their religion, or lack thereof, or whatever. I would be willing to bet that all staff knows why she doesn't stand for the Pledge, but they have no respect for her religion. In other words, they are, to me, the same as her; they want to get respect without feeling the need to give it.
Nope. Not here. Unless not liking it and acknowledging her intolerance and ignorance are leaping to her defense.I don't like this, but I also think that the idiots who are mad that she doesn't stand for the Pledge of Allegiance are just as intolerant and ignorant as she is.
Not here, either. Somehow, saying I think people need to let it go doesn't seem to me to qualify as leaping to her defense.The thing about this point for me is that I think Jehovah's witnesses are a little nuts, but I have met at least one other Jehovah's Witness who did believe that to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance was a form of idolatry. I think that's goofy, but if that's what her religion tells her, assuming that she really believes that, and it seems to mesh with what some other people of the same religion believe, I think people need to let it go.
In point of fact, I think this one makes it clear that I have very little respect for anyone involved in this little tiff.duper said:By "griping" that she doesn't stand for the Pledge, they are tacitly saying that her religion is less valid than their religion, or lack thereof, or whatever. I would be willing to bet that all staff knows why she doesn't stand for the Pledge, but they have no respect for her religion. In other words, they are, to me, the same as her; they want to get respect without feeling the need to give it.
I am likewise not astonished, or even a little surprised, that you totally mischaracterized my comments. In my mind, there are two things here.The only one doing anything wrong here is this racist, evangelical Jehovah's Witness moonbat. She is a teacher. And she should try to set an example for the children in her care. I'm not astonished (a little surprised) that you leap to her defense. How is it possible to defend her actions in walking in on rehersal and demanding that the music be stopped? And then announcing that a song proclaiming pride in America be dropped. Couldn't this have been discussed with the teachers involved and not in front of the kids? How does that not make her an agressive, evangelical, racist b*tch? What "other cultures" is she concerned about?
She's free to leave the room (or stay outside) when the pledge is recited. But that isn't quite as much fun as refusing to stand, is it?
To be fair, a truly bigoted person is likely to find that kind of controversy anywhere they see a worldview that isn't compatible with theirs.Frankly, it never occurred to me that pointing out that the bigots who believe her particular religion's view of idolatry is unacceptable in a public place in a free country would be even remotely controversial. Especially since I did it in a post in which I made it pretty clear that the decision that formed the crux of the article was one I don't like.
I'm trying to find the comment where I leap to her defense.Nope. Not here. Unless not liking it and acknowledging her intolerance and ignorance are leaping to her defense.
Not here, either. Somehow, saying I think people need to let it go doesn't seem to me to qualify as leaping to her defense.
In point of fact, I think this one makes it clear that I have very little respect for anyone involved in this little tiff.
I am likewise not astonished, or even a little surprised, that you totally mischaracterized my comments. In my mind, there are two things here.
One is a school principal who made a unilateral judgment on behalf of her school that was not in the school's interest. That's messed up. I don't agree with that at all. I have had bosses pull that shyte, as I'm sure we all have, and it sucks. I certainly don't defend it. And I'm not sure what gave the impression that I did defend that. Somehow "I don't like it" doesn't strike me as a defense of the action. Neither does referring to her as intolerant and ignorant. But maybe that's just me.
Second is the fact that the article, which certainly doesn't seem to be biased TOWARD this woman, does mention that some teachers "griped" about her not feeling the same way about the Pledge of Allegiance that they do. Maybe you don't get that her religion does not ALLOW her to stand for the Pledge. Maybe you just don't care about people who subscribe to religions you think are crazy (and I assure you that I agree that this is a crazy religion). Maybe you think that because someone's honestly held religious views are stupid, they have different rights to them than the rest of us. Maybe you think nationalism is more important than individual freedom. Who knows. But I will defend the right of someone to sit during the Pledge of Allegiance if their religious views DEMAND it. No one ever asks you to leave a public place because of your religious views. Why should you, or anyone else, suggest that she should leave a public place because of her religious views?
Frankly, it never occurred to me that pointing out that the bigots who believe her particular religion's view of idolatry is unacceptable in a public place in a free country would be even remotely controversial. Especially since I did it in a post in which I made it pretty clear that the decision that formed the crux of the article was one I don't like.
Ignore is a wonderful thing. When you see' this post is blocked' you don't waste the time reading what you didn't know you were saying.Once again, I am unsurprised at the way that you have mis-characterized my comments.
Ignore is a wonderful thing. When you see' this post is blocked' you don't waste the time reading what you didn't know you were saying.![]()
Once again, I am unsurprised at the way that you have mis-characterized my comments.
Blah, blah, blah "ignore." Blah, blah, blah "ignore." Got anything new to say?
In a way, pointing out that you have someone on ignore defeats at least part of the purpose.