Nice Planet 2010

[Old Pio]

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I have to say I love having to search down the source for some blog article. Especially when it turns out that they quote mined the article but cutting out about half of it.

http://blogs.alternet.org/speakeasy...rman-cain-playing-the-race-minstrel-for-cpac/

Racism from the left isn't racism, got it. How would you have responded if Newt had said the same thing? Differently, I suspect. Phony. I'd want to change the subject, too if I were in your shoes. Zero intellectual credibility. Zero.

 

[Old Pio]

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Indeed. Reads even worse in the entire than in the "quote-mined" version.

Some people can ratonalize anything. It was a crude remark, in or out of context, and if a conservative had uttered it, the lefties would be having a fit. Does the name Howard Cosell ring a bell?

 

[Old Pio]

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Because presented in its entirety, the article is awesome!

Yeah, and racist, too.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Some people can ratonalize anything. It was a crude remark, in or out of context, and if a conservative had uttered it, you'd be having a fit, and you know it. Does the name Howard Cosell ring a bell?

Yeah, and racist, too.

Easy buddy, we're agreeing with you.

 

[Old Pio]

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Easy buddy, we're agreeing with you.

I amended my post in response to Goldy after I realized I got it wrong. It wasn't clear you were being sarcastic (you WERE being sarcastic, right?) and for that I beg your pardon.

 

[Old Pio]

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As I've posted previously, I'm not neutral on the subject of Herman Cain. I know the guy a little and admire him tremendously. He didn't rise to become CEO of a company that employed 10,000 people as part of affirmative action. He earned it. And I simply wish the lefties here and elsewhere would argue honestly about where he stands on the issues, instead of attacking him with crude racial stereotypes or defending those who do. Referring to Cain as a "monkey" isn't racist? Okay, how about "jigaboo"?

 

[Foxton]

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Because presented in its entirety, the article is awesome!

Nah it's a really ****ty article, but if you're going to rage about something, first off actually link to it not just post some text, and actually give everything not a cut together version because not doing so is being dishonest. At least in the full text the guy at least tries to explain his reasons behind his statements, in the quote mined version it's just insults.

Racism from the left isn't racism, got it. How would you have responded if Newt had said the same thing? Differently, I suspect. Phony. I'd want to change the subject, too if I were in your shoes. Zero intellectual credibility. Zero.

I said nothing about it being alright or wrong. That said I'm sure someone not liking how a black man was making a speech sure as hell shows just how much more racist liberals are than conservatives. The long history of racism amongst conservative groups is wiped clean by a blog post!

Seeing as I know that will be misconstrued, yes liberals can be racist, but it's far more prevalent amongst social conservatives. Which unless you're as ignorant of history as Old Pio is, isn't really even up for debate. Unless you can call groups like the KKK liberal.

 

[Old Pio]

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Nah it's a really ****ty article, but if you're going to rage about something, first off actually link to it not just post some text, and actually give everything not a cut together version because not doing so is being dishonest. At least in the full text the guy at least tries to explain his reasons behind his statements, in the quote mined version it's just insults.
I said nothing about it being alright or wrong. That said I'm sure someone not liking how a black man was making a speech sure as hell shows just how much more racist liberals are than conservatives. The long history of racism amongst conservative groups is wiped clean by a blog post!

Seeing as I know that will be misconstrued, yes liberals can be racist, but it's far more prevalent amongst social conservatives. Which unless you're as ignorant of history as Old Pio is, isn't really even up for debate. Unless you can call groups like the KKK liberal.

I'll put my knowledge of history up against yours any day, sonny (I really ejoyed hearing Lincoln make that speech at Gettysburg). It's amazing, a liberal punk makes a glow in the dark racist statement and you just can't bring yourself to criticize him. It's my fault because I didn't link to the original article and because I'm ignorant and a conservative and (probably) a member of a fraternity. And besides, other people are way worse on racial matters than this particular lib fag (and that includes me, also) and blah blah blah. But no simple, unequivocal admission that what this punk said was racist. And wrong.

Zero intellectual credibility. Zero.

BTW, bright boy, remember who was Adlai Stevenson's running mate in '52? You know, the big liberal? Senator John Sparkman of Alabama. In '56 his running mate was Senator Kefauver of Tennessee. Couple of advanced racial thinkers, those two. Oh, and despite your prejudices, I'm not a social conservative, not that accuracy is a high priority with you.

 

[Foxton]

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[Old Pio]

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You all know the classic definition of chutzpah--it's the guy who's been convicted of murdering his parents who asks for mercy because he's an orphan. It takes lots of chutzpah to defend a guy who refers to a black man as a "monkey," and justifies that defense by pointing out everyone else's alleged shortcomings--since we all "know" that way more conservatives are racist than liberals. I'd suggest reading "Radical Chic." No harm done, of course, since we know who the intellectual poseurs are around here.

 

[Foxton]

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You all know the classic definition of chutzpah--it's the guy who's been convicted of murdering his parents who asks for mercy because he's an orphan. It takes lots of chutzpah to defend a guy who refers to a black man as a "monkey," and justifies that defense by pointing out everyone else's alleged shortcomings--since we all "know" that way more conservatives are racist than liberals. I'd suggest reading "Radical Chic." No harm done, of course, since we know who the intellectual poseurs are around here.

Honestly I can't tell if you're just acting out some persona or if you actually believe what you type.

Please, just to see where your delusion begins, point out where I defended what the blog author posted. Where did I say it wasn't racist? (Being that I only said that the site was being dishonest in it's representation of the blog.)

 

[Old Pio]

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Honestly I can't tell if you're just acting out some persona or if you actually believe what you type.

Please, just to see where your delusion begins, point out where I defended what the blog author posted. Where did I say it wasn't racist? (Being that I only said that the site was being dishonest in it's representation of the blog.)

It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is. You implicitly defended him by pointing out how much "worse" others are on the subject of race and by refusing (still) to condemn his remarks. If there was any criticism of this punk in your posts, it was masquerading as criticism of conservatives. Zero intellectual credibility. Zero.

It doesn't matter to me if you believe what I post accurately reflects my point of view or not. I will leave it to the other liberals who post here to decide, in this instance, who has zero intellecual credibility and who is merely trying to apply just one standard to the deliberate use of racially offensive language.

 

[Foxton]

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It all depends on what the meaning of "is" is. You implicitly defended him by pointing out how much "worse" others are on the subject of race and by refusing (still) to condemn his remarks.

Sort of like how I mentioned the KKK and you didn't condemn them.

As for how I pointed out how much "worse" conservatives were, that came after you made a sweeping generalization claiming I implied that liberals are never racist. Which I did not say or imply, and I even said that yes there are racist liberals in response to your terrible generalization.

And if you could read, I already said it was a bad article and implied that it was a racist. (By saying that pointing out a racist liberal doesn't excuse any conservative racism)

I guess it's not an act. How sad.

 

[Old Pio]

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Sort of like how I mentioned the KKK and you didn't condemn them.

As for how I pointed out how much "worse" conservatives were, that came after you made a sweeping generalization claiming I implied that liberals are never racist. Which I did not say or imply, and I even said that yes there are racist liberals in response to your terrible generalization.

And if you could read, I already said it was a bad article and implied that it was a racist. (By saying that pointing out a racist liberal doesn't excuse any conservative racism)

I guess it's not an act. How sad.

When you're in the bottom of a hole, stop digging. All these posts. All this liberal attitude. All of the changes in subject (now we're arguing about the Klan?) And you STILL can't summon up the intellectual courage to criticize unambiguously a guy who uses the word "monkey" to describe a black man. How pathetic. I know, I know, I'M the issue here, not that lib fag. Zero intellectual credibility. Zero.

 

[Foxton]

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When you're in the bottom of a hole, stop digging. All these posts. All this liberal attitude. All of the changes in subject (now we're arguing about the Klan?) And you STILL can't summon up the intellectual courage to criticize unambiguously a guy who uses the word "monkey" to describe a black man. How pathetic. I know, I know, I'M the issue here, not that lib fag. Zero intellectual credibility. Zero.

Technically a black man is a monkey. Just like you and every human ever. (Snicker)

 

[LynahFan]

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Technically a black man is a monkey. Just like you and every human ever. (Snicker)

Great apes, actually.

I'm reminded of the great Eddie Murphy skit from Saturday Night Live, where he says they've discovered that Lincoln never actually signed the Emancipation Proclamation, so technically all black people should still be slaves (can't find a video, but it was from episode 116, Feb 7, 1981), so everyone should go "claim their very own Negro." Since not everyone may have heard about this, he proposed a secret code phrase that you should say to the black person to see if they've heard. The code phrase was something along the lines of "hey you black porch monkey, come be my Negro slave." This joke works only because calling a black person a monkey is so clearly over-the-line, over-the-top racist that it is funny for a black person (Eddie Murphy) to suggest that people should say it.

Old Pio is right - your moral equivalencies are very telling. Nobody here defends the racism of conservative groups, yet you feel the need to bring that up instead of simply saying, "you're right, that guy (who happens to be a liberal blogger) is an idiot," and letting it go. Would that really be so hard?

 

[Old Pio]

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Great apes, actually.

I'm reminded of the great Eddie Murphy skit from Saturday Night Live, where he says they've discovered that Lincoln never actually signed the Emancipation Proclamation, so technically all black people should still be slaves (can't find a video, but it was from episode 116, Feb 7, 1981), so everyone should go "claim their very own Negro." Since not everyone may have heard about this, he proposed a secret code phrase that you should say to the black person to see if they've heard. The code phrase was something along the lines of "hey you black porch monkey, come be my Negro slave." This joke works only because calling a black person a monkey is so clearly over-the-line, over-the-top racist that it is funny for a black person (Eddie Murphy) to suggest that people should say it.

Old Pio is right - your moral equivalencies are very telling. Nobody here defends the racism of conservative groups, yet you feel the need to bring that up instead of simply saying, "you're right, that guy (who happens to be a liberal blogger) is an idiot," and letting it go. Would that really be so hard?

Many liberals apparantly believe that conservative African Americans (or at least the ones willing serve Republican presidents) are inauthentically African American. Recall that Harry Belafonte referred to Colin Powell and Condi Rice as "house n*ggers." These folks evidently believe that alleged inauthenticity permits them to use the crudest racial epithets to express themselves.

In the case at hand, there can be no doubt the term "monkey" was used deliberately, because of its racial explosiveness. Unlike, say, Howard Cosell's use of the term on Monday Night Football. Cosell was a solid liberal, who had put his reputation on the line in defense of Muhammad Ali. Despite those bona fides, the word "monkey" when applied to an African American, no matter how innocent the circumstances, was so toxic that his tenure with MNF ended that year.

 

[WeWantMore]

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Hey, he seems contrite about it at least.
http://wearerespectablenegroes.blogspot.com/2011/02/chauncey-devega-is-public-enemy-number.html

Or not.

 

[Foxton]

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Great apes, actually.

"Great apes" are hominids, just like humans, and all hominids come from monkeys. Might as well be looking for a dog that isn't a canine.

Old Pio is right - your moral equivalencies are very telling. Nobody here defends the racism of conservative groups, yet you feel the need to bring that up instead of simply saying, "you're right, that guy (who happens to be a liberal blogger) is an idiot," and letting it go. Would that really be so hard?

I already said that the article was bad and that it was a racist one. Why would I have to say what I have already said?

It's not a moral equivalency issue. I brought it up in response to Old Pio making a sweeping generalization about liberals being hypocritical racists after he posted a link to a site where the big thrust of the article is how much more racist liberals are over conservatives. Let's look at some of the comments on it.

"The vast majority of liberals live in a mono-chromatic neighborhood. Liberals are only comfortable living around those who share their skin color and hatred of others not like them. If someone hates America then the liberal s their friend because they love to share hate."

" -"all black people must be Democrats victims"

That pretty much sums it up about what what liberals think of anyone who is black.
When will the black community wake up en masse & realize they are being USED?!"

"Conservatives see the man. Leftists see a monkey.

Face it, Libtards. The man doesn’t goosestep. What are your options?"

“Progressives” are racist thugs and always have been. The entire nation should be outraged, but it won’t.

As long as Blacks, Hispanics, Teh Gheys, and women, stray from the democrat party they will be attacked unmercifully.

Let this be a warning though to all of you cats that say Sarah Palin shouldn’t run because she’ll be attacked, and we need to find some “acceptable” candidate who won’t.

That candidate DOES NOT EXIST.

The left knows they are going to lose EVERYTHING when Barry gets beat. No matter WHO we run, they will be shredded.

The left is evil, and very creative. There is no candidate who won’t get the Palin treatment, and no candidate that won’t be attacked by the most vile, sub-human element of the democrat party. "

 

[bigblue_dl]

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"Great apes" are hominids, just like humans, and all hominids come from monkeys. Might as well be looking for a dog that isn't a canine.

Snoop Dogg is not a canine. BOX.

Now shut up, your arguments are asinine.