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NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Secondly: WHo gives a **** where the Queens finish? The NFC North is the weakest division in the NFC. Since the NFC is weaker than the AFC, do the math.

Weakest in the NFC? NFC West anyone? The Vikings and Packers both made the playoffs with one dismantling the Cowboys and self-imploding against the SB champions (from the NFC no less), the Bears remain to be seen (I could go either way with seeing their upcoming season) and the Lions have the potential to vastly improve on their 2 wins.

I do agree the Vikings didn't address QB but it's the hardest position in FB to solve and if Favre is back then they're still good for one more year. After that you've got FA's and trades that might solve that issue and a deeper looking QB draft to look to the future. Their draft wasn't perfect by any means, but neither they nor the Packers are dead in the water.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

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The NFC West is easily the worst division in pro football.

Why do you think PC wanted to go to Seattle? :p If he can't succeed there, he can't succeed anywhere.
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

IF Favre flakes out (which I say 60-40 he does), then you are stuck with Tavaris Suckfest Jackson.
Free agency is the way to deal with the backup QB problem. The typical way of dealing with a drafted QB is to put him 3rd on the depth chart with the idea that he never sees playing time in the regular season. Had MN drafted McCoy or whoever, it would not have changed their QB situation for next season one bit.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

The Lions get the honor of choosing Mr. Irrelevant...and they pick a wide receiver.

You can't make this stuff up.
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I haven't read what everyone's thoughts of the Vikings draft were, so here are two opinions of mine:

1. If you thought the Vikings would take either Claussen or McCoy, you are one of the stupidest human beings in the universe (looking at you, Steve Young). The Vikings are trying to win NOW...not in 3 years.

2. If you thought Brett Favre's feelings would be hurt if the Vikings HAD drafted a QB, you are also one of the stupidest human beings in the universe (looking at you, Chris Berman).
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I haven't read what everyone's thoughts of the Vikings draft were, so here are two opinions of mine:

1. If you thought the Vikings would take either Claussen or McCoy, you are one of the stupidest human beings in the universe (looking at you, Steve Young). The Vikings are trying to win NOW...not in 3 years.

2. If you thought Brett Favre's feelings would be hurt if the Vikings HAD drafted a QB, you are also one of the stupidest human beings in the universe (looking at you, Chris Berman).
1) so.... what does drafting a QB do to impede them winning now? And even if you are focusing on winning now, you miiiiiight want to have some kind of plan in place. Unless you plan on Favre coming back for 3 years.

By the way, mccoy was available in the 3rd round. Is the Vikings 3rd round pick the key to them winning the superbowl this year? Or would you rather have at least a reasonable chance of having a reasonable quarterback in place instead of hoping that tavaris jackson turns out more like this year's vince young instead of any year's jamarcus russel?

2) Any recollection on what favre's reaction was when the packers drafted Rodgers? Or how he reacted when asked what it was going to be like to mentor a young quarterback just getting started in the league? Or how favre reacted when the packers asked him to make a retirement decision before the draft so they could plan on the future?
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I love the neg rep I got for this:

"The Packers will still finish behind the Vikings you moron."


LOL!!!

First off: I'm no Packers fan.

Secondly: WHo gives a **** where the Queens finish? The NFC North is the weakest division in the NFC. Since the NFC is weaker than the AFC, do the math.

The Queens did good with the OL, DE, and such but they failed to address their primary problem: QB. IF Favre flakes out (which I say 60-40 he does), then you are stuck with Tavaris Suckfest Jackson.

There is NO F-ING WAY the Vikings compete much past the first round of the playoffs with TSuck at the helm.

As for the Pack, meh. Who really cares?
1) Since when are you not a Packers fan?
2) Do you like being this stupid?
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

The Lions get the honor of choosing Mr. Irrelevant...and they pick a wide receiver.

You can't make this stuff up.

They were sending a message there. No, I seriously believe that. They had an absolutely ideal draft. It was stunningly competent and seemingly excellent.
 
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They were sending a message there. No, I seriously believe that. They had an absolutely ideal draft. It was stunningly competent and seemingly excellent.

And all of the good players will be hurt by week 4 ;) :D
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

The NFC North is the weakest division in the NFC.

NFCs South and West beg to differ.
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I'll address a few things:

First, I WAS a Packers fan. Lately, I find myself not particularly rooting for any individual team. A Cop Out, sure, but I don't find any particular team all that enticing to me.

Second, I see your point on the NFC West. So I rescind my statement about the NFC Central being the weakest. I will stand by my statement about the NFC being weaker overall than the AFC though.

Third, I did not expect a QB to solve all the world's problems. But I will use the Packers and Bengals (you can add the Broncos now) to show what I thought would be wisest for the Vikings.

Ok, you draft McCoy in the 3rd round. You put him as a backup QB regardless of the Favre decision. He studies the system and works a lot with developing from the sidelines and in practice...just like Carson Palmer and Aaron Rodgers (and Tebow...but the jury is still out if he'll actually pan out).

You address the win now attitude and QB deficiency by signing a QB in free agency. Ok. That worked well with Sage Rosenfels and lucked out with Brett Favre. Sage isn't the next Matt Schaub, folks. Just like Webb isn't the next Joe Flacco (before everyone jumps on me, no one suggested it to start with, but we all know Childress' shameful obsession with marginal DIAA QB talent).

So who are they going to sign? If Favre comes back, you're all right. The Vikings will be fine. Could you imagine McCoy studying under Favre? Could you imagine how depressed TJack would be because McCoy's playing history suggests that it may mean the end of TJack ever assuming the #1 QB duties?

I respect the theory behind Childress' obsession, but not every DIAA QB is a Steve McNair or even a Joe Flacco. In fact, a vast majority of them aren't. The truth is: There's more likely a pro caliber QB in DIA than in DIAA, which is why (in my amateur opinion) you always take chances on DIA QBs before you take on on DIAA talent...even if the DIAA talent is a record setter in that division. Again, that is opinion. I do agree that it is a crapshoot in most respects.

Fourth, I don't think the Vikings were Losers in the draft. I think that label belongs to the Bills. I don't think the Vikings were winners either. They did ok. And if Favre returns, no one will notice the inadequacies... but I strongly feel that the time to draft a QB was actually last year but could be done this year to make it so that, when Favre leaves Minny (assuming of course he returns this year), the rookie this year or last year would be ready to take the reins.

TJACK is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT #1 QB material. He never will be.

I find it intriguing that, though the D wasn't perfect last year, they've been addressing it correctly for a while and they're scary good all things considered. They finally have some players to throw to. They have a deep RB Corps even without Taylor. Their OLine is pretty solid. They just need a QB of the future. They did not get one.

How can Viking fans be happy about this? Everyone believes that it is exceptionally rare for a rookie QB to step in and be the answer. Sanchez was alright, but not as great as ESPN wants you to believe. I was frankly surprised by Henne in Miami. Flacco was very good all things considered but still... Even with those two doing as good as they did, it's more an anomaly than probability. No one would expect that, especially if Favre returns. So, the risk is low and the reward his high.

With the crapshoot in full effect, you draft 2-3 years before you need a replacement so that the development curve can be realized for good or bad.

That's my take.

Flame away.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

And all of the good players will be hurt by week 4 ;) :D

I relish in every gigantic Viking failure because of you.
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

For a fourth round pick in 2012. I mean I know he ain't Peyton but I'd think we could get a little more than that.
well, it was that or a bag of used footballs. ;)

The Lions get the honor of choosing Mr. Irrelevant...and they pick a wide receiver.

You can't make this stuff up.

Love the Suh pick. Been wanting him play eight games a year at Ford Field ever since the Big 12 championship game. The move up for Best though?? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?? Didn't really address the more pressing need of a linebacker to replace Ernie Sims, and frankly, I thought they would have been better off with either signing a retread RB for the year if Jones still has the dodgy knee come training camp, or maybe take a look at a RB in the seventh round. Joique Bell was still there, and I believe he got signed as a Free Agent by Buffalo after the draft. He would have worked for a year if needed and then the Lions could focus their efforts on drafting their running back then. Best, He'll be lucky to be in the league in two years, IMHO.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I relish in every gigantic Viking failure because of you.

Doesn't make me wrong ;)
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

1) so.... what does drafting a QB do to impede them winning now? And even if you are focusing on winning now, you miiiiiight want to have some kind of plan in place. Unless you plan on Favre coming back for 3 years

2) Any recollection on what favre's reaction was when the packers drafted Rodgers? Or how he reacted when asked what it was going to be like to mentor a young quarterback just getting started in the league? Or how favre reacted when the packers asked him to make a retirement decision before the draft so they could plan on the future?

1. We have TWO quarterbacks other than Favre. One of them we re-signed last month, and the other we just traded for last spring and hasn't even played for us yet. Who says Favre is going to retire this year anyway? Maybe we'll have to deal with 1-2 years of the Sage Jackson/Tarvaris Rosenfels era...but who's coming out in the draft next year? McCoy dropped until round 3...how many times did just the BROWNS pass on him before they finally took him?

2. You mean how Favre taught Rodgers how to play QB in the NFL for three years? And then THREE YEARS later he got mad because the Packer brass was trying to force him out? Was Favre just biding his time waiting for the perfect time to strike...for THREE YEARS? :rolleyes:
 
Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

2. You mean how Favre taught Rodgers how to play QB in the NFL for three years? And then THREE YEARS later he got mad because the Packer brass was trying to force him out? Was Favre just biding his time waiting for the perfect time to strike...for THREE YEARS? :rolleyes:

I'm not in the inner circle by any means, but I believe there have been many rumblings about how Favre just isn't interested in helping out young quarterbacks in their development. I'm sure the other QBs say something differently in public, because quite frankly they have to, but I don't think he's been as much of a mentor as some might think.

I'm not saying the guy is right or wrong to do it, just saying.
 
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Re: NFL Offseason: The Saints won the Superbowl, and are now Marchin on to the NFL Draft.

I'm not in the inner circle by any means, but I believe there have been many rumblings about how Favre just isn't interested in helping out young quarterbacks in their development.

iirc none of this came up until Rodgers came to GB and it sounds as though that this was not the case this past year.
 
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Yeah, not sure where you're getting that, DL.

Thought 1: Every report I've ever heard/read (and I do mean every report) was that Rodgers did all his learning by watching, and that Favre didn't really take an active role in the whole thing.

Thought 2: Are there seriously still people in this world who hold to the "Packers brass decided to force Favre out" theory? Why would anyone believe the theory that Ted Thompson just woke up one day and decided to unilaterally get rid of Favre? That's been thouroughly debunked in the Packers threads (and elsewhere) over the past two years.

Thought 3: Favre was VERY uncomfortable with the fact that Rodgers was drafted. It's now a fact. (Source: an interview his daughter did last year. that interview also spawned a very amusing twitter argument between her and Packers beat reporter Jason Wilde. Wilde schooled young Ms. Favre and she took her twitter page down. It was great)
 
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