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NFL 2023-24. Now without Dan Snyder!

LynahFan said:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rules

The more I think about it, I think it was a big mistake for SF to take the ball in OT. When you take the ball, you have to play regular (3-down) football, while KC got to play 4-down ball. No matter how much confidence you have in your offense, they can’t win the game for you on the first drive, the other team will always get the chance to tie it up or win.

Put another way, if you have the ball first, you have to go for a touchdown, 100% of the time. If you take the ball second, you only have to go for the touchdown the percentage of the time that the first team scored one - it’s just much easier to execute when you have certainty about whether you need the touchdown or just a field goal.
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I mean, that's assuming the second team can magically will itself to get the TD, which is by no means a given. Granted, with KC it's more likely than other teams, given their recent history. I think I read something saying Shanahan was looking to being the team with the 3rd possession, since it's sudden death at that point, and hoping they could hold serve with the first two possessions; which kinda makes sense, but also makes some pretty strong assumptions about how the first two possessions go.
 
French Rage said:
I mean, that's assuming the second team can magically will itself to get the TD, which is by no means a given. Granted, with KC it's more likely than other teams, given their recent history. I think I read something saying Shanahan was looking to being the team with the 3rd possession, since it's sudden death at that point, and hoping they could hold serve with the first two possessions; which kinda makes sense, but also makes some pretty strong assumptions about how the first two possessions go.
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The one note that changes things is that the 2nd team always plays the 4 downs w/o punting. And that changes the play calling for the 2nd team. Like that 4th and short, maybe they punt instead of having to go for it. Which also changed 3rd down since you can come up short instead of forcing a first down play.
 
LynahFan said:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39511676/49ers-players-say-know-super-bowl-rules

The more I think about it, I think it was a big mistake for SF to take the ball in OT. When you take the ball, you have to play regular (3-down) football, while KC got to play 4-down ball. No matter how much confidence you have in your offense, they can’t win the game for you on the first drive, the other team will always get the chance to tie it up or win.

Put another way, if you have the ball first, you have to go for a touchdown, 100% of the time. If you take the ball second, you only have to go for the touchdown the percentage of the time that the first team scored one - it’s just much easier to execute when you have certainty about whether you need the touchdown or just a field goal.
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The other thing is that if you kick off, you immediately start with a territorial advantage. The receiving team likely has to drive the ball about 40 yards to even get into field goal range. If the kicking team holds without a first down, they might only need half or two thirds of that.

The only reason I can really come up with that might justify SF's decision is the fact that it gives their D some time to rest. KC spent the last two minutes in a hurry up offense (at the end of a tough game), and the SF defense was hanging on to try to keep KC from doing nothing more than tying it up. If there had been another 30 seconds left in the fourth quarter, there is little doubt in my mind that KC would have scored the go ahead touchdown then.

By taking the ball, and especially by driving it basically 50 or 60 yards over 7+ minutes of game time, they gave their D one last chance to rest up before facing a KC offense that had suddenly seemed to find its groove.
 
All this discussion about the OT and we’re not discussing what is clearly the most important issue from the Super Bowl: Travis Kelce and his display of aggressive behavior by going after Andy Reid. Clearly he has aggression and mental health issues and needs to be suspended for a season and forced into counseling. It’s time to start addressing aggressive behaviors in men seriously!*

* Actual take seen on the internet.

(/s for those who can’t see it)
 
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SJHovey said:
The only reason I can really come up with that might justify SF's decision is the fact that it gives their D some time to rest. KC spent the last two minutes in a hurry up offense (at the end of a tough game), and the SF defense was hanging on to try to keep KC from doing nothing more than tying it up. If there had been another 30 seconds left in the fourth quarter, there is little doubt in my mind that KC would have scored the go ahead touchdown then.

By taking the ball, and especially by driving it basically 50 or 60 yards over 7+ minutes of game time, they gave their D one last chance to rest up before facing a KC offense that had suddenly seemed to find its groove.
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This. From what I read, SF was concerned their defense was pooped. So, they figured KC was guaranteed to score a TD if their defense didn't get any kind of rest. This way, maybe they could hold them and get that third sudden death possession.

The real debate should be SF's play calling in the last two minutes. If they get a first down after the two-minute warning, the game is essentially over, despite KC's two timeouts. KC could not stop SF's run, so what does SF do most of that late 4th qtr. drive? Pass. That is what people should be debating.
 
Wilson will sign with Steelers for veteran min of $1.2 million. He still has $37.8 million coming from the Broncos.

Saquan Barkley to the Eagles

Jacobs to the Packers with Jones being released
 
If you only count the guarantees in Kirk Cousins' new contract, he's now made $3M less than Tom Brady in lifetime earnings.

I know Brady took a lot of team-friendly deals, but that's just a ridiculous fact.
 
bronconick said:
If you only count the guarantees in Kirk Cousins' new contract, he's now made $3M less than Tom Brady in lifetime earnings.

I know Brady took a lot of team-friendly deals, but that's just a ridiculous fact.
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And THAT is what I don't understand. I don't see him as even one of the top 10 QBs. Let alone always getting the most premium contract. It was odd enough for the Vikings, but now he'll pass 40 with that contract with Atlanta. Why?

Seems that the deal makes it hard to surround him with enough talent.
 
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