NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

[St. Clown]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

I don’t think anyone here is disputing Brady as the GOAT.

I think you’re nuts saying Rodgers isn’t a top 10 all time QB, but curious as to why you believe that, as you’re one of few I’ve heard with that take.

He wrote that because he's testing out his click-bait skills.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

You can have all the offensive talent in the world and not come close to a BB lead offense with a bunch of mediocre coaches leading the way. Hell look at the difference between the 2016 Rams under Fisher compared to what they did a year later.

No.

 

[Rover]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

I don’t think anyone here is disputing Brady as the GOAT.

I think you’re nuts saying Rodgers isn’t a top 10 all time QB, but curious as to why you believe that, as you’re one of few I’ve heard with that take.

Sure, and this is just One Man's Opinion.

I break it down as best players of their era. For example, its tough to compare QB's of today with those of the 60's and 70's when "in the grasp" or no hitting the head or the knees weren't rules yet and the west coast offense hadn't been invented. I'll also disclose that guys like Bart Starr, Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas were out of the league by the time I started watching football. So, here goes:

70's: Bradshaw, Staubach
80's-90's: Montana, Marino, Elway
00's-10's: Brady, Manning, Brees

That's 8 in no particular order and you have to reserve a spot for Unitas I think. That leaves one spot. Favre? Young? I'd maybe put Favre in there at 10. He's got as many SB wins as Rodgers but a lot more wins and other accomplishments. If Young hadn't been a backup all those years it would have been interesting to see what he would have achieved.

 

[burd]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

Sure, and this is just One Man's Opinion.

I break it down as best players of their era. For example, its tough to compare QB's of today with those of the 60's and 70's when "in the grasp" or no hitting the head or the knees weren't rules yet and the west coast offense hadn't been invented. I'll also disclose that guys like Bart Starr, Otto Graham and Johnny Unitas were out of the league by the time I started watching football. So, here goes:

70's: Bradshaw, Staubach
80's-90's: Montana, Marino, Elway
00's-10's: Brady, Manning, Brees

That's 8 in no particular order and you have to reserve a spot for Unitas I think. That leaves one spot. Favre? Young? I'd maybe put Favre in there at 10. He's got as many SB wins as Rodgers but a lot more wins and other accomplishments. If Young hadn't been a backup all those years it would have been interesting to see what he would have achieved.

You are going to completely ignore Ron Vander Kelen?

Wow.

 

[Rover]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

You are going to completely ignore Ron Vender Kelen?

Wow.

Hey I had a hard enough time leaving off Jim Plunkett, who has twice as many SB's as Rodgers!

 

[Swansong]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

he gets to play golf now, plus the pay prolly aint all that bad.

https://nypost.com/2019/01/21/cbs-is-trying-to-end-any-pricey-tony-romo-tv-sweepstakes/

CBS is backing up the Brink's truck for him. Unless he really really wants to coach (or someone makes an insane Gruden-link offer for him to coach), he's going to be calling games for a long time.

 

[The Rube]

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I'll SLIGHTLY dispute Brady as the GOAT. Peyton. In the pasts posts, people have brought up Brady's scrimmage audibles. Peyton's done that his whole life. There was NEVER really a need for an OC. Ever. Both were durable, so that's a wash. Brady had a better system, which few could try and argue against (as a whole team, D and O). Brady obviously had a better head coach, no doubt.

I don't hate, slight, or not respect Brady one bit. Top 5 all time without question. Can get a little muddled from there, as are all top 5 lists. For direct comparison, I'd still take Peyton over Brady.

 

[Slap Shot]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

I'll SLIGHTLY dispute Brady as the GOAT. Peyton.

2009 - #8 Scoring defense, lost SB
2008 - #7, lost WC
2007 - #1, lost Div
2005 - #2, lost Div
2002 - #7, lost WC

Far better talent at WR and RB.

Playoffs:
Manning 14-13 63.2% 40 TD 25 INT
Brady 29-10 63.3% 73 TD 33 INT

It's not even close.

[edit] Fran Tarkenton held a # of NFL passing records by the time he retired and for several years after. Yet he will always be overshadowed by Bradshaw and Staubach (and probably rightfully so) because 0-3 in the SB and a 6-5 overall playoff record.

Marino and Kelly? Playoffs.

Sorry if you can't win big games at the rate of Brady and Montana with a large enough sample size you don't compare.

 

[SJHovey]

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I think when you try to compare players, whether it's Brady v. Manning, or whoever, it's difficult to give proper weight to outside factors, such as the players they play with and the coaches that run their team.

I was talking with a friend about who benefited more from their relationship, Brady or Belichick? Who would have won more Super Bowls without the other, or would either of them have won a Super Bowl without the other?

As burd or someone else may have mentioned, sometimes when a certain coach and a certain player come together, it's just the perfect combination.

 

[trixR4kids]

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No.

Lmao, it's a sport where they run set plays on every down. Coaches have a huge impact on the outcome and the difference between the 16 and 17 Rams is a perfect example of how much difference a coach can make.

As for Peyton even his best coaches were mediocre. His worst were bottom of the barrel (Fox and Caldwell).

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

2009 - #8 Scoring defense, lost SB
2008 - #7, lost WC
2007 - #1, lost Div
2005 - #2, lost Div
2002 - #7, lost WC

"Scoring defense" isn't really a good way to measure it and better metrics like DVOA actually measure defensive efficiency and weight for the opponents offense in any given season. He had one defense ranked 15th in 2003, and then the 8th best D in 2005 when Tony Dungy bumbled the game away against the Steelers. Other than that 2007 and 2008 were the only years with the Colts where the D was above average.

 

[mookie1995]

"Scoring defense" isn't really a good way to measure it and better metrics like DVOA actually measure defensive efficiency and weight for the opponents offense in any given season. He had one defense ranked 15th in 2003, and then the 8th best D in 2005 when Tony Dungy bumbled the game away against the Steelers. Other than that 2007 and 2008 were the only years with the Colts where the D was above average.

NERDS!!!!

 

[Rover]

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Lmao, it's a sport where they run set plays on every down. Coaches have a huge impact on the outcome and the difference between the 16 and 17 Rams is a perfect example of how much difference a coach can make.

As for Peyton even his best coaches were mediocre. His worst were bottom of the barrel (Fox and Caldwell).

Didn't Manning basically call his own plays, so if the offense crapped out it was his fault? I also recall him waiving off the punt team a few times as well.

Manning's problem was an inability to beat good teams. The time he beat the Pats in the AFCC their best receiver was Reche Caldwell and I think mookie even got a few reps out there that year. Then he won his first SB against the worst team to ever make the title game, the Rex Grossman led Bears. His other title was won by the D when he had a noodle arm over in Denver. In the meantime he threw a Super Bowl losing pick 6 against a good Saints team and got crushed vs Seattle, a team Brady went on to beat the following year.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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I take Marino first. Always. That will never change.

That being said Brady is at the top of the mountain and it's not even close.

 

[Slap Shot]

"Scoring defense" isn't really a good way to measure it..

Whether it is or not a previous poster claimed Brady had better scoring defenses than Manning. I proved Manning had plenty of years with a defense rated just as highly yet did far less with them. Brady produces when it counts more than anyone else your slide ruler notwithstanding.

 

[Rover]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

Whether it is or not a previous poster claimed Brady had better scoring defenses than Manning. I proved Manning had plenty of years with a defense rated just as highly yet did far less with them. Brady produces when it counts and the rest of your typical bs analysis you cite demonstrates you don't have a clue.

I'm not sure I got the scoring defense point either. I don't recall the Pats having a really good D beyond their 3rd SB win. Once Law, Seymour, McGinnest, etc left and Rodney Harrison started getting injured there were less playmakers back there and the offense carried the team.

 

[mookie1995]

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Brady produces when it counts more than anyone else your slide ruler notwithstanding.

except for those 3 losses

if (never happen, but) the rams win, doesn't brady then hold (tie) the record for most SB losses?!?!?!?!?! [inshalla]

 

[burd]

Re: NFL 2018-19: Let's Be Honest, Jerrah is the Real Commissioner.

except for those 3 losses

if (never happen, but) the rams win, doesn't brady then hold (tie) the record for most SB losses?!?!?!?!?! [inshalla]

Vikings lose again??

 

[trixR4kids]

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Didn't Manning basically call his own plays, so if the offense crapped out it was his fault?

He didn't create all the plays so no...

If Peyton worked with a better offensive minded coach like Sean Payton who has far more route combinations and innovation in his offense that would've been a site to behold. Tony Dungy's was incredibly simplistic and he even admitted as much in interviews.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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I think we can all agree that Brady/Belichik is the greatest QB/Coach combo ever, all I was trying to say is that Belichik > Brady (as in more important to the success)