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Neumann and Morrisville sanctioned by NCAA, banned from postseason

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The coaches know about the program, hence their significant use of it as a recruiting tool. Intentional? - The qualifications for the grant did not require athletic skills - this was not a DI Scholarship. Is it the coaches responsibility to worry about recruiting non-players? No, is it the responsibility of the AD to insure they are in compliance? Yes. As students selecting schools, foremost curriculum comes first, but it takes affordability to make it happen, the awards were substantial enough that it should have been possible to meet the NCAA requirements. I do not believe the coaches lacked confidence in their administration, though obviously they should have. Do I think the school's action demand they vacate their title - YES, do I think it would be demanded if it were Plattsburgh? - YES.
 
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Anybody looking @ Union? I know they have one and they can't offer athletic scholarships.
 
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There seems to be some misconception's surrounding the student aid provided to Neumann hockey players which has caused some backlash towards the players and staff so let me clear the air...

1) Neumann hockey players paid the same tuition as baseball players, tennis players, volleyball and every other student athlete that attended the school.*

2) The men's hockey team received no extra benefits or funding that took away from other school programs or teams which seems to be a misconception.*

The real shame here is that about 8 seniors playing in their final season, who have dedicated 4 years to a school and program will not have an opportunity to compete for a championship. *Mistakes were made and obviously penalties must be paid which I do not dispute, but the players pay the ultimate price which is unfortunate. *The "bs" about D3 hockey not being as serious or the players only being there for education purposes is way off base. *Look at any of the top programs and the home town of players. *These young men aren't moving hundreds of miles and out of country to just get a degree, they go to play for the best programs and compete for national championships. **Just one mans opinion but the decision to shut down Neumann's season is tough to swallow. Respective ECAC West fans may be happy their teams do not have to worry about Neumann, but fans of the game and people that truly know the game must feel for the players... But I guess life's not fair !

"The road to the championship is always under construction!"
 
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My question is how many foreign students were there at Neumann prior to the aid? Seeing how they went from 5 to 24 Canadians in one year and that made up 99% of the foreign students at the college (adding in the other athletes). Did they have the "if you build it they will come attitude?" Im sorry but you dont go from 5 to 24 and 99% athletes and have it not be intentional. Sounds to me more of a hey lets try it and hope we can get a few non athletes too?!?!? I'd believe it more if there was a gradual increase, but 5 to 24?!?!? A school of 2,500.....you would know how many foreign students are around. Is the coach that oblivious to the rules to not look into things? To not know they had 1% of foreign non athletes at the school? To not look into things as it went on? Lets start a rugby team and give out $15,000 to Australian students and only recruit from Australia. But hey we were trying to expand globaly......its not out fault we've never really had an Australian student base here...they just happen to all be good at Rugby....nothing intentional....
 
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1) A. No they did not. They were given $13,000 grants to cut their foreign non resident tuition to resident rate tuition.
B. Basketball, football, soccer programs are not made up of 85% Canadians.

2. There is no misconception. It has nothing to do with other teams, it has to do with the fact Neumann gave out grants to foreign students which just happened to be (insert eye roll) athletes. 99%.

No one is saying we dont feel bad for the players fans and families. But add on $13,000 to their tuition bill and see how many of those players would have picked Neumann over other schools. I doubt Neumann is where they are now (and their National Title) with out it.

Yes a lot (neay all) of your top DIII teams have a Canadian heavy roster. Even among them you have teams thats can give out $10,000+ and some can only give out $5,000...the problem is they do it legally with in the rules. Its pretty clear Neumann felt they needed to bring in Canadian players to compete on the National level....how they did it is the issue.

Be thankful its all they recieved. To me there should be a little * next to their Championship and 3 years of no post season play, but like I said this isnt 1987...
 
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norm1909 said:
The coaches know about the program, hence their significant use of it as a recruiting tool. Intentional? - The qualifications for the grant did not require athletic skills - this was not a DI Scholarship. Is it the coaches responsibility to worry about recruiting non-players? No, is it the responsibility of the AD to insure they are in compliance? Yes. As students selecting schools, foremost curriculum comes first, but it takes affordability to make it happen, the awards were substantial enough that it should have been possible to meet the NCAA requirements. I do not believe the coaches lacked confidence in their administration, though obviously they should have. Do I think the school's action demand they vacate their title - YES, do I think it would be demanded if it were Plattsburgh? - YES.
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Especially since they beat Plattsburgh with a "Tainted" team!
 
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and the plot thickens....

According to Scott Biggar's ECAC West column for this week, Neumann is still eligible for the postseason because they stopped giving the grant in 2010 and no players on this team are currently still getting it.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
and the plot thickens....

According to Scott Biggar's ECAC West column for this week, Neumann is still eligible for the postseason because they stopped giving the grant in 2010 and no players on this team are currently still getting it.
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Thats what it looks like to me as well, I guess not to many of the players left from the year b4?? It would seem that if a player lost a big chunk of $$ he may move to another school to get a better deal??Wonder what might be keepin them there?? Hope they can play as they are a competitive team for sure..
 
PrezdeJohnson09 said:
and the plot thickens....

According to Scott Biggar's ECAC West column for this week, Neumann is still eligible for the postseason because they stopped giving the grant in 2010 and no players on this team are currently still getting it.
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So Neumann cheated, got caught, all they had to do was stop cheating and there are no repercussions for the cheating they did?
 
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OSU2010 said:
So Neumann cheated, got caught, all they had to do was stop cheating and there are no repercussions for the cheating they did?
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It's kind of a hard pill to swallow, I know. The article says the department was fined, but the group that really seems to have bore the brunt of the punishment are the players who had to give up their scholarships because the athletics department, administration, etc screwed up.
 
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I assume the reasoning behind this is that that, since the transgressions were ruled unintentional, there's no reason to impose additional punishment once the illegal practices cease. The problem is that, going by the numbers provided, the transgressions appear about as unintentional as an unconscious referee at Summer Slam.
 
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OSU2010 said:
So Neumann cheated, got caught, all they had to do was stop cheating and there are no repercussions for the cheating they did?
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That seems to be the precedent the NCAA is saying. I don't quite fully understand it myself...but maybe that's just me.
 
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PrezdeJohnson09 said:
That seems to be the precedent the NCAA is saying. I don't quite fully understand it myself...but maybe that's just me.
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By that logic, if Plattsburgh had stopped giving ... oh never mind ... there's no way reason with NCAA logic. Those numbers are just outrageous. I think that they should be sat down for a year based on criminal stupidity if it is true that the "didn't know." Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I can understand amnesty for a 10-15% difference in rates, but when the aid program is accept by Athletes to non-athletes at a ratio of 32:1, that's just ridiculous not to wonder about it.
 
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The Neumann administration is probably pretty upset that they accidentally gave some scholarship money to some non-athletes.
 
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NUProf said:
By that logic, if Plattsburgh had stopped giving ... oh never mind ... there's no way reason with NCAA logic. Those numbers are just outrageous. I think that they should be sat down for a year based on criminal stupidity if it is true that the "didn't know." Ignorance of the law is no excuse. I can understand amnesty for a 10-15% difference in rates, but when the aid program is accept by Athletes to non-athletes at a ratio of 32:1, that's just ridiculous not to wonder about it.
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See also post 46.
 
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NUProf said:
I can understand amnesty for a 10-15% difference in rates, but when the aid program is accept by Athletes to non-athletes at a ratio of 32:1, that's just ridiculous not to wonder about it.
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If the only Canadian recruitment was directed to hockey prospects, then the result is quite logical. I highly doubt the music, engineering, human services schools were actively combing the Canadian woods for students. The closest piece of Canadian earth is about 8 hours removed from NU, so there's no real incentive for the other schools to make that sort of effort when there are 10 million high school students closer than the nearest Canuck.
 
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