NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

[24checking]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Final. SNC 3 - UWS 1.

 

[gojackets]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Final. SNC 3 - UWS 1.

So much for Superior winning out I see Peters went out late in the first...did she get injured?

 

[pete99race]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

So much for Superior winning out I see Peters went out late in the first...did she get injured?

She was knocked to the ice after a scrum in front of the net. Was not able to continue.
SNC took a penalty on the play.

 

[timbitskid]

She was knocked to the ice after a scrum in front of the net. Was not able to continue.
SNC took a penalty on the play.

don't think it's going to make a difference for superior where there going to be seeded they show signs of being a very good team but they are so inconsistent its hard to watch some times.can they get it together and make a run or will they be out the first series,they've shown no signs of putting a complete 2 games together against a quality opponent.how about playing with a little sense of urgency,down by 3 and they still have a forward high in the offensive zone like were protecting a lead.Frustrating

 

[24checking]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Final. SNC 4 -- Lake Forest 2. SNC sweeps.

 

[Hammer]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

UWRF has clinched the #1 seed in the NCHA.

If LFC sweeps UWRF, the top three will be as follows:

1) Wisconsin-River Falls
2) Lake Forest
3) Adrian

Any other result produces:

1) Wisconsin-River Falls
2) Adrian
3) Lake Forest

Lake Forest loses tiebreakers with both Adrian and UWRF due to having fewer conference wins. Lake Forest can top out at 13, and Adrian and UWRF both have 14 right now. Remember, conference wins is the 1st tiebreaker, not head-to-head.

 

[gojackets]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

UWRF has clinched the #1 seed in the NCHA.

If LFC sweeps UWRF, the top three will be as follows:

1) Wisconsin-River Falls
2) Lake Forest
3) Adrian

Any other result produces:

1) Wisconsin-River Falls
2) Adrian
3) Lake Forest

Lake Forest loses tiebreakers with both Adrian and UWRF due to having fewer conference wins. Lake Forest can top out at 13, and Adrian and UWRF both have 14 right now. Remember, conference wins is the 1st tiebreaker, not head-to-head.

Actually Superior has 23 pts after todays win over Stevens Point (not posted yet, but they won 5-2 according to UWSP live stats.) If River Falls sweeps Lake Forest or if Lake Forest loses and ties and Superior sweeps Finlandia(very likely) it would be
1. River Falls
2. Adrian
3. Superior (in the tie scenario Superior would win the tiebreaker with more NCHA wins 13-11)
4. Lake Forest

You are also wrong on the tiebreaker scenario.

According to the NCHA Women's rule book located here(page 22): http://www.nchahockey.org/conference_information/NCHA_Women-s_Constitution2012.pdf

The tie breakers are
a) results of head to head competition
b) most NCHA wins amongs tied teams
c) goal differential in games played between tied teams
d) goal differential in all NCHA games
e) coin flip

So Lake Forest could get the first seed with a sweep at River Falls which would put it
1. Lake Forest
2. River Falls
3. Adrian
4. Superior

The SNC/UWSP match up next week is big also. SNC is a scary team to face at times as UWS saw last week and obviously Lake Forest saw this week.


My ideal final standings would be:
1. River Falls
2. Adrian
3. Superior
4. Lake Forest
5. SNC
6. UWSP
7. CSS
8. UW-EC

i think this gives UWS the easiest road to the title game

 

[pete99race]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

SNC continued their late season roll with a 4 -- 1 victory over Stevens Point last night.
The Lady Knights have won eight of their last nine games.
Final regular season game this afternoon vs the Pointers at the CCC.

 

[gojackets]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

SNC continued their late season roll with a 4 -- 1 victory over Stevens Point last night.
The Lady Knights have won eight of their last nine games.
Final regular season game this afternoon vs the Pointers at the CCC.

What took them so long to get going??

With Lake Forest's upset of River Falls today...there is still a lot of uncertainty with 1 day left.

The only thing set in stone is that St Norbert will travel to Superior for the first round...not my ideal matchup but the 'Jackets will pull through!

With a win or tie tomorrow River Falls holds on for first place and hosting rights, Adrian stays in second and Lake Forest finishes third.

A tie tomorrow means
#1 River Falls
#2 Lake Forest
#3 Adrian



6, 7, 8 are set. CSS wins tie breaker over Stevens Point so they are 6, UWSP is 7 and UWEC is 8....just waiting to find out where they travel to

 

[gojackets]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

With River Falls about to win the play off matchups are set.

#8 Eau Claire @ #1 River Falls
You would think this would be an easy win for River Falls, but both regular season games between these two ended in a tie. I expect River Falls to come out on top, but you can't take any one for granted this season.

#7 Stevens Point @ #2 Adrian
Without letting my extreme dislike of Stevens Point get in the way, I still think Adrian wins this easy. Zeches is too strong and Stevens Point has only mustered 1 good win all year when they upset River Falls.

#6 St Scholastica @ #3 Lake Forest
This is a tough pick. Lake Forest will most likely win...but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini game decide this one.

#5 St Norbert @ #4 UW-Superior
This is a tough matchup for the Yellow Jackets. I think it depends on what team shows up for the game. I'm not sure what Peter's injury situation is...but I don't think you would even consider sitting Leikkari at this point. Yellowjackets win the series with 3 points.

 

[DedicatedFan]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

With River Falls about to win the play off matchups are set.
#8 Eau Claire @ #1 River Falls
You would think this would be an easy win for River Falls, but both regular season games between these two ended in a tie. I expect River Falls to come out on top, but you can't take any one for granted this season.
#7 Stevens Point @ #2 Adrian
Without letting my extreme dislike of Stevens Point get in the way, I still think Adrian wins this easy. Zeches is too strong and Stevens Point has only mustered 1 good win all year when they upset River Falls.
#6 St Scholastica @ #3 Lake Forest
This is a tough pick. Lake Forest will most likely win...but I wouldn't be surprised to see a mini game decide this one.
#5 St Norbert @ #4 UW-Superior
This is a tough matchup for the Yellow Jackets. I think it depends on what team shows up for the game. I'm not sure what Peter's injury situation is...but I don't think you would even consider sitting Leikkari at this point. Yellowjackets win the series with 3 points.

I have to say that “The final season as we know it!” was much more interesting than past seasons. Most games (with the exception of a few) were up for grabs. It came down to the final game of the season to decide opponents in the first playoff series.

River Falls is not the powerhouse they have been in past seasons. They have losses to Superior, Point and Lake Forest, and twice tied Eau Claire. However, River Falls looks like they have been hitting their stride in the second half of the season.

Despite your “extreme dislike” of Point, I think they have a chance to beat Adrian this weekend. Point played them tough in January, with the first game really a one-goal game (empty netter at the end), and the second game ending in a tie. I look for a good matchup this weekend.

I think the St. Scholastica/Lake Forest series is up for grabs. The last game played between these two went to OT. I think St. Scholastica is a better team than their record shows; however, Lake Forest has shown they can win the big games.

The St. Norbert/Superior series might be the best one of the bunch. Their last series was a split, with both games being one-goal games. Having watched both St. Norbert and Superior within the last month, I would not want to be playing St. Norbert right now – they are big, powerful, talented, and seem to be peaking at the right time. Kudos to a third-year program that is doing very well.

Should be a very exciting weekend!

 

[Twolinepass]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

gojackets, I'm not sure if I agree with the assessment that Finlandia started out competitive. In 2005-06 they beat Chatham? Who didn't? I looked up the 2005-06 history and the teams*Finlandia beat had losing seasons (St. Bens, Hamline). Yes, they beat RF but back then RF was not the team it was now. 2006-07 season they didn't win a single game (a few ties to other teams with high losing seasons). 2007-08 again their wins are to "lesser" teams. Etc.

Finfan,*It sounds like you may be an insider at Finlandia with the details you've given. I wish the best for Finlandia but from what I've heard from my daughter there was quite a bit of turmoil over the new coach and several players quit and others had to be begged to come back to the team based on issues with the new coach (which I believe have been discussed on the forum previously). But you seem to be the Finlandia insider so who knows?

If three of the four players were recruited during their junior year and one was a walk-on then that means the new coach recruited zero players between April and August. My point is that, based on my daughter's experience, who was still talking to schools during the summer, I find this odd. And it makes me wonder why Finlandia has trouble recruiting players. I'm not saying it has anything to do with the coach but I'm wondering if overall school perception and the background of the coach plays an issue. I personally would prefer to play for someone with better playing experience, but males may have a different perception of coaching ability.

I'm not trying to pick on Finlandia or any other team.* Nor do I think it is productive to continue this discussion.* Someone asked if teams like Finlandia were really viable if they can't fill a bench.**I'm asking what makes a team viable? How are these other teams able to recruit so many players, and good players, and teams like Marian and Finlandia have struggled? I'm wondering what other think about the viability of teams. Is it money? Is it a winning season? St. Scholastica didn't seem to have any issue recruiting even before they'd played a game. Why is that?

I too hope Finlandia and Marian have great seasons and that their coaches can put them on the winning track.*

One a side note, there are some interesting match-ups this weekend. Looking forward to the Marian v. St. Norbert's game.

Stumbled across this post surfing tonight. This is a topic that i have been interested in for some time. Why are some teams always viable, always competitive, and others not. Why can some teams consistently recruit the better players? I have a daughter that just went through the D3 college selection process. Based on our experience the following factors weighed inno particular order of importance):
1. Past Success: Nobody wants to play for a loser. Sort of a Catch 22. Hard to get good players without past success. Hard to succeed without good players.
2. Coach: Does coach have a good reputation? Is she personable? Is he fair? Ask around as a lot of people will be willing to tell you their opinion.
3. School Academic Reputation: This can work both ways. If the player wants to get in med school then cross off a lot of schools. On the other hand a school with lower admission standards might actually open itself up to a larger player pool.
4. Campus: Nobody wants to live in a dump for four years. A beautiful campus (think middlebury) will attract more kids. Same for a safe campus.
5. Rink facilities: A nice looking rink with beautiful locker rooms is an obvious plus. nobody wants to play in a hole.
6. Rink location and ownership: do you want to walk three blocks to the rink from your dorm or have to drive across town? If a school owns its rink that is a huge plus. You will get great practice times and lots of free after hours ice time to use as you see fit.
7. Cost to attend school: Believe me, there is a big difference between schools in terms of the "academic" scholarships your daughter will receive. The dirt cheap public universities in Wisconsin should have a huge advantage in terms of attracting MN. girls because of the reciprocity agreement between MN and WI (i.e. think River Falls)
8. Recruiting budget: Huge factor here. How many D3 schools send their coach to Europe to recruit? Some do.
9. Access to player Pool: A school can have this access through several ways: geographical(think GAC), pork barrel recruiting budget, coaches relationship with the leagues or teams the players are coming from.

Now go through the above list and think of some of the schools in your favorite conference. The schools that are competitive every year will have 7 or more of the nine factors.The schools that are not competitive might have 3.

 

[gojackets]

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Stumbled across this post surfing tonight. This is a topic that i have been interested in for some time. Why are some teams always viable, always competitive, and others not. Why can some teams consistently recruit the better players?

1. Past Success: Nobody wants to play for a loser. Sort of a Catch 22. Hard to get good players without past success. Hard to succeed without good players.

You pretty much answered your own question. Who would want to play for Finlandia? Other than a closeness to home factor, I can't see any sane person wanting to spend their lives up there...even for hockey

5. Rink facilities: A nice looking rink with beautiful locker rooms is an obvious plus. nobody wants to play in a hole.
6. Rink location and ownership: do you want to walk three blocks to the rink from your dorm or have to drive across town? If a school owns its rink that is a huge plus. You will get great practice times and lots of free after hours ice time to use as you see fit.

Superior own's their own rink, but you have to walk 3-4 blocks to get to it still. Plus everything is brand new.

7. Cost to attend school: Believe me, there is a big difference between schools in terms of the "academic" scholarships your daughter will receive. The dirt cheap public universities in Wisconsin should have a huge advantage in terms of attracting MN. girls because of the reciprocity agreement between MN and WI (i.e. think River Falls).

Its interesting to when you look at where some schools commonly get players from. Superior has another recruit from Brandon, Manitoba coming next year...I seem to remember that city being a place we've gotten other players from. Will SNC be able to keep bringing in Europeans, now that they've had a few come over?

8. Recruiting budget: Huge factor here. How many D3 schools send their coach to Europe to recruit? Some do.
9. Access to player Pool: A school can have this access through several ways: geographical(think GAC), pork barrel recruiting budget, coaches relationship with the leagues or teams the players are coming from.

Now go through the above list and think of some of the schools in your favorite conference. The schools that are competitive every year will have 7 or more of the nine factors.The schools that are not competitive might have 3.

 

[pete99race]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Miracle finish by the SNC Lady Knights as they score two goals in under two minutes, at the end of the game, to tie and than beat River Falls in OT for their first O'Brien Cup Championship. Congrats to all the Lady Knights, coaches and fans.
Nice to see them stop @ Hobbs on their way back to De Pere to catch the end of the mens championship game, won by SNC 3 -- 0 over Eau Claire.
Quite the day for SNC hockey!!!!

 

[daveo211]

Miracle finish by the SNC Lady Knights as they score two goals in under two minutes, at the end of the game, to tie and than beat River Falls in OT for their first O'Brien Cup Championship. Congrats to all the Lady Knights, coaches and fans.
Nice to see them stop @ Hobbs on their way back to De Pere to catch the end of the mens championship game, won by SNC 3 -- 0 over Eau Claire.
Quite the day for SNC hockey!!!!

I went to the men's game on Saturday and while SNC always had the lead, Eau Claire was right with them through 2 periods. Then the lady Knights showed up and the whole atmosphere changed. I was listening to the WRFW radio cast of the game but had to stop to get in line at Hobbs. When I heard rumor of their win making its way through the crowd, and then rumor turned to fact as it was on SNCs website, I couldn't believe it. I wish I could have been at 2 great games yesterday. Congrats to Lady knights and to the men. Now, NCAA.

 

[Finfan]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Young prospective college hockey players ask yourself one question, "Do I want to play or watch during my college hockey career?" I am a little bewildered after watching numerous games this season. I look game after game and see able bodied hockey players sitting in the bleachers in their team windsuits watching a hockey game. I have asked myself, "Is it because they want to be on a "successful" program?" Are they tired of playing? They don't appear injured. So why would you pay an equally high tuition rate for a comparable education and watch hockey? And then the light came on. It is because their parents want to say they are on a top team and they don't want to have to travel to some godforsaken part of the earth to watch their daughter playing more.

I have been a life long player/fan and youth/women's coach who still laces up for drop-in a couple of times a week. Is this a new generation and way of thinking? Players who are fine with watching rather then playing? I have met competitive young men and women who have played college, Olympic, NHL and minor pro hockey and there is one common thread, they want to play the game of hockey! I am not in that class, but I still prefer two lines on the bench to four because I am going to hit the ice more.

So again, why do I see teams like SNC (a good program) with 27 rostered players who play 7 players in all 29 games to date, 8 players in 20 games or more, 4 players with 15 games or more and 8 players who saw the ice in 15 games of less? Sitting the Freshmen in favor of upper classmen with experience? No. I read more recruits are committed there already for next season so who sits then? Don't get me wrong, I compliment their coaching and players on a great year, but why are their girls attending the university and watching hockey? Can't a member of the Blue Line Club cheer on the team and tout their success? Players play, Cheerleaders cheer.

You are probably saying, "This is some sour parent/supporter of that 550 student university in the boonies of the north." I am not sour. In fact, I had a great season watching my daughter play the game of hockey. Seems funny, but that is what I have encouraged her to do since she hit the ice at two years old. It is a dream come true for both of us. Would I have enjoyed watching her sit in the bleachers during games? Uh,no. Is distance a consideration? Not really. If she had played for an East Coast team we would have travelled there to watch. After all those years of travelling to games it is no big deal. Would I travel to watch her in the bleachers? Uh,no.

What about the coaching? It was good. Tuff to be competitive with your two lines against four. Smart opposing coaches knew they could exhaust a short bench by rolling their four lines. Did the first year coach throw in the towel? No. Just ramped up her recruiting efforts for help for next season. Finlandia is one of the schools that doesn't have 27 players on the roster. Maybe because it is out of the beaten path although it doesn't seem to bother the players from Russia, Alaska and B.C. who were on the team this season.

Players who prefer to play over watching, did I mention that Finlandia offers a comparable education at similar tuition costs and doesn't have 27 players on it's roster?

 

[gojackets]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Young prospective college hockey players ask yourself one question, "Do I want to play or watch during my college hockey career?" I am a little bewildered after watching numerous games this season. I look game after game and see able bodied hockey players sitting in the bleachers in their team windsuits watching a hockey game. I have asked myself, "Is it because they want to be on a "successful" program?" Are they tired of playing? They don't appear injured. So why would you pay an equally high tuition rate for a comparable education and watch hockey? And then the light came on. It is because their parents want to say they are on a top team and they don't want to have to travel to some godforsaken part of the earth to watch their daughter playing more.

I have been a life long player/fan and youth/women's coach who still laces up for drop-in a couple of times a week. Is this a new generation and way of thinking? Players who are fine with watching rather then playing? I have met competitive young men and women who have played college, Olympic, NHL and minor pro hockey and there is one common thread, they want to play the game of hockey! I am not in that class, but I still prefer two lines on the bench to four because I am going to hit the ice more.

So again, why do I see teams like SNC (a good program) with 27 rostered players who play 7 players in all 29 games to date, 8 players in 20 games or more, 4 players with 15 games or more and 8 players who saw the ice in 15 games of less? Sitting the Freshmen in favor of upper classmen with experience? No. I read more recruits are committed there already for next season so who sits then? Don't get me wrong, I compliment their coaching and players on a great year, but why are their girls attending the university and watching hockey? Can't a member of the Blue Line Club cheer on the team and tout their success? Players play, Cheerleaders cheer.

You are probably saying, "This is some sour parent/supporter of that 550 student university in the boonies of the north." I am not sour. In fact, I had a great season watching my daughter play the game of hockey. Seems funny, but that is what I have encouraged her to do since she hit the ice at two years old. It is a dream come true for both of us. Would I have enjoyed watching her sit in the bleachers during games? Uh,no. Is distance a consideration? Not really. If she had played for an East Coast team we would have travelled there to watch. After all those years of travelling to games it is no big deal. Would I travel to watch her in the bleachers? Uh,no.

What about the coaching? It was good. Tuff to be competitive with your two lines against four. Smart opposing coaches knew they could exhaust a short bench by rolling their four lines. Did the first year coach throw in the towel? No. Just ramped up her recruiting efforts for help for next season. Finlandia is one of the schools that doesn't have 27 players on the roster. Maybe because it is out of the beaten path although it doesn't seem to bother the players from Russia, Alaska and B.C. who were on the team this season.

Players who prefer to play over watching, did I mention that Finlandia offers a comparable education at similar tuition costs and doesn't have 27 players on it's roster?

I think what your missing is...are they going to school to play hockey or are they at school to get an education and the hockey is a bonus. If i'm in category b, do I care that I don't play every game? If playing hockey is my main goal, then ya a smaller team is better. I'm not saying that SNC has a better education that Finlandia...I'm sure they are comparable, but SNC is in Green Bay and Finlandia is in the boonies. What's going to be more attractive to a potential student, a college in or near a city with a decent nightlife, culture etc or one out in the middle of nowhere. All of those factors are going to play a role if hockey is not the #1 priority.

 

[24checking]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Young prospective college hockey players ask yourself one question, "Do I want to play or watch during my college hockey career?" I am a little bewildered after watching numerous games this season. I look game after game and see able bodied hockey players sitting in the bleachers in their team windsuits watching a hockey game. I have asked myself, "Is it because they want to be on a "successful" program?" Are they tired of playing? They don't appear injured. So why would you pay an equally high tuition rate for a comparable education and watch hockey? And then the light came on. It is because their parents want to say they are on a top team and they don't want to have to travel to some godforsaken part of the earth to watch their daughter playing more.

I have been a life long player/fan and youth/women's coach who still laces up for drop-in a couple of times a week. Is this a new generation and way of thinking? Players who are fine with watching rather then playing? I have met competitive young men and women who have played college, Olympic, NHL and minor pro hockey and there is one common thread, they want to play the game of hockey! I am not in that class, but I still prefer two lines on the bench to four because I am going to hit the ice more.

So again, why do I see teams like SNC (a good program) with 27 rostered players who play 7 players in all 29 games to date, 8 players in 20 games or more, 4 players with 15 games or more and 8 players who saw the ice in 15 games of less? Sitting the Freshmen in favor of upper classmen with experience? No. I read more recruits are committed there already for next season so who sits then? Don't get me wrong, I compliment their coaching and players on a great year, but why are their girls attending the university and watching hockey? Can't a member of the Blue Line Club cheer on the team and tout their success? Players play, Cheerleaders cheer.

You are probably saying, "This is some sour parent/supporter of that 550 student university in the boonies of the north." I am not sour. In fact, I had a great season watching my daughter play the game of hockey. Seems funny, but that is what I have encouraged her to do since she hit the ice at two years old. It is a dream come true for both of us. Would I have enjoyed watching her sit in the bleachers during games? Uh,no. Is distance a consideration? Not really. If she had played for an East Coast team we would have travelled there to watch. After all those years of travelling to games it is no big deal. Would I travel to watch her in the bleachers? Uh,no.

What about the coaching? It was good. Tuff to be competitive with your two lines against four. Smart opposing coaches knew they could exhaust a short bench by rolling their four lines. Did the first year coach throw in the towel? No. Just ramped up her recruiting efforts for help for next season. Finlandia is one of the schools that doesn't have 27 players on the roster. Maybe because it is out of the beaten path although it doesn't seem to bother the players from Russia, Alaska and B.C. who were on the team this season.

Players who prefer to play over watching, did I mention that Finlandia offers a comparable education at similar tuition costs and doesn't have 27 players on it's roster?

First, let's get the facts straight! SNC does not have a roster of 27. Current roster is 24, with two girls not playing.
Second, if your point is "why sit when you can play", then make that point period and don't single out any particular program.
Third, current active roster numbers in the NCHA. UWRF-19, Adrian-23, Lake Forest-19, UWS-23, SNC-24, CSS-24, UWSP-24, UWEC-22, Concordia-23, Marian-17, Finlandia-16.
Fourth, Go Jackets already made it.
Fifth, FU Men's team has 30 players on it's roster. They'll come if you have a good program and recruit hard.

 

[OneTimer]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Does anyone here know if video exists on line from the SNC UWRF OT game from the weekend? I cannot find anything on the school web sites, YouTube and the other places. Thanks for your help.

 

[gojackets]

Re: NCHA 2012-13--The final season as we know it!

Does anyone here know if video exists on line from the SNC UWRF OT game from the weekend? I cannot find anything on the school web sites, YouTube and the other places. Thanks for your help.

I doubt their was a recording...they streamed the game, but I don't know of UWRF ever having the games available later on.