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NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

I've been mocked on here for years pursuant to my ignorance of the D-3 selection process, but the joke is on those of you who choose- against all logic and experience - to hang your hats on it come February/March.

Each and every season, I'm advised to study the selection nonsense, as if it means anything. I did that once in 2005, and I'll never do it again, because that was a complete assasination of 30 minutes of my life, as it turned-out... (Nothing there was binding, aside from the obvious AQs, so why buy into it?)

The fact of the matter is that the committee will award bids on the basis of whatever the top-secret caprice du jour happens to be on Selection Sunday, and maybe even weeks before that date... Nobody knows how it works in the final analysis, and that's the problem.

To defend such a situation is beyond absurd, but then again, I don't see too many of you savants doing so at this juncture... (Who's looking "stupid" now?)

As I say every year, D-3 should go to a predictable and transparent system for the AL teams, and forget the silly B/C pools... Award the AQs their berths on the basis of RS championships, and give everyone else a fair shake, FCS, including seeding and siting them fairly.

The current situation is an embarrassment to the sport, and there's no doubt about that.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
I've been mocked on here for years pursuant to my ignorance of the D-3 selection process, but the joke is on those of you who choose- against all logic and experience - to hang your hats on it come February/March.

Each and every season, I'm advised to study the selection nonsense, as if it means anything. I did that once in 2005, and I'll never do it again, because that was a complete assasination of 30 minutes of my life, as it turned-out... (Nothing there was binding, aside from the obvious AQs, so why buy into it?)

The fact of the matter is that the committee will award bids on the basis of whatever the top-secret caprice du jour happens to be on Selection Sunday, and maybe even weeks before that date... Nobody knows how it works in the final analysis, and that's the problem.

To defend such a situation is beyond absurd, but then again, I don't see too many of you savants doing so at this juncture... (Who's looking "stupid" now?)

As I say every year, D-3 should go to a predictable and transparent system for the AL teams, and forget the silly B/C pools... Award the AQs their berths on the basis of RS championships, and give everyone else a fair shake, FCS, including seeding and siting them fairly.

The current situation is an embarrassment to the sport, and there's no doubt about that.
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Nobody here ever said the NCAA rabkings were sacrosanct or perfect. We all hate the system because it is so non-transparent and inconsistent. What we were saying is to stop b***hing about the USCHO poll (which I think most agreed was downright ridiculous), because it would mean nothing once the NCAA rankings came out. We can whine and moan about these because they actually matter. Regardless of whether or not we agree with the system that produces them, these rankings affect the postseason tournament directly... And that is a fact, not an opinion :)

But yes, I agree with you... The day D3 moves to a more transparent/consistent system is a day I dance for joy!,
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

It's obvious the committee wants Oswego in, so Plattsburgh hopes to use that to their advantage Saturday. My gut tells me Oswego is in win or lose. Although I have the utmost respect for Oswego as a team, the numbers do not support it whatsover. Somebody who had a great season (Bowdoin, Hobart) is staying home. In the back of the players minds is the knowledge that they are in regardless of the score Saturday. That's just human nature. Might be the extra edge the Cards need. That and the fact that Cadieux is in their heads (see Bryan Hince).
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

admiral0417 said:
It's obvious the committee wants Oswego in, so Plattsburgh hopes to use that to their advantage Saturday. My gut tells me Oswego is in win or lose. Although I have the utmost respect for Oswego as a team, the numbers do not support it whatsover. Somebody who had a great season (Bowdoin, Hobart) is staying home. In the back of the players minds is the knowledge that they are in regardless of the score Saturday. That's just human nature. Might be the extra edge the Cards need. That and the fact that Cadieux is in their heads (see Bryan Hince).
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I am not a conspiracy theorist but I do stand by my post.

norm1909 said:
I'm thinking the NC$$ wants to do their best to make sure at least Oswego or Plattsburgh gets to Lake Placid, it was "more justifiable" to leave Oswego ranked high than to try to raise Plattsburgh into Pool C range.
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Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

admiral0417 said:
It's obvious the committee wants Oswego in, so Plattsburgh hopes to use that to their advantage Saturday. My gut tells me Oswego is in win or lose. Although I have the utmost respect for Oswego as a team, the numbers do not support it whatsover. Somebody who had a great season (Bowdoin, Hobart) is staying home. In the back of the players minds is the knowledge that they are in regardless of the score Saturday. That's just human nature. Might be the extra edge the Cards need. That and the fact that Cadieux is in their heads (see Bryan Hince).
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You've been complaining for weeks that Plattsburgh has been ranked too low and Oswego has been ranked too high. You've also said that Plattsburgh is one of the hottest teams in the country. Look, does Oswego deserve to be ranked #3? No. Do they deserve a Pool C if they don't win Saturday? Probably not. But if your team is one of the hottest in the nation and is 2-0 against Oswego this year, all you have to do is win. Win and you're in. If you get in, will you most likely end up playing on Wednesday? Probably. So what? Just keep winning. Everyone here knows the smoke filled room can get AWFULLY smoky. So the fact that Oswego is ranked higher than they should be or is even being considered for a Pool C is not a surprise. IT'S THE NCAA!
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Fishman'81 said:
I've been mocked on here for years pursuant to my ignorance of the D-3 selection process, but the joke is on those of you who choose- against all logic and experience - to hang your hats on it come February/March.

Each and every season, I'm advised to study the selection nonsense, as if it means anything. I did that once in 2005, and I'll never do it again, because that was a complete assasination of 30 minutes of my life, as it turned-out... (Nothing there was binding, aside from the obvious AQs, so why buy into it?)

The fact of the matter is that the committee will award bids on the basis of whatever the top-secret caprice du jour happens to be on Selection Sunday, and maybe even weeks before that date... Nobody knows how it works in the final analysis, and that's the problem.

To defend such a situation is beyond absurd, but then again, I don't see too many of you savants doing so at this juncture... (Who's looking "stupid" now?)

As I say every year, D-3 should go to a predictable and transparent system for the AL teams, and forget the silly B/C pools... Award the AQs their berths on the basis of RS championships, and give everyone else a fair shake, FCS, including seeding and siting them fairly.

The current situation is an embarrassment to the sport, and there's no doubt about that.
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No one says the process is good. However, that is the process they use. It is the same process that is used in every DIII sport, and unless it is changed for all sports it won't change. There have been changes in the metrics - at one time SOS was calculated iin a truly bizarre way, and when that was abandoned they used OWP and OOWP as separate measures, now their measure is to take the OWP multiply by 2/3 and the OOWP and multiply by 1/3 and add them. All of those were specified by the NCAA regulations for DIII. The hockey committee had no choice. The regulations permit selection committees to use whatever weight they would like in combining the criteria to produce rankings/seedings - they could, but don't, choose to weight them all the same or announce what the weights are. To me, that is the cleanest way to do it, but the hockey committee has chosen the opposite approach - no transparency. Nobody likes the process - ask the Adrian fans about how they felt when the MCHA was in Pool B and Adrian was bypassed because of the way that the committee weighted the criteria for them. We don't have to like the process, but we do have to understand it if we want to know why our teams are seeded (or selected at all) the way they are. The impact of the process on Pool B teams (especially in a year in which there are no Pool B slots available) is the worst part of it. If your league is a Pool A league, you have a clear route to the "dance." Without it, you have to read the tea leaves.
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Hear, hear. Ever since Chris Schneider left the NCAA and Chris Brown left the committee, this has devolved into a corrupt, back room deals system.

Fishman'81 said:
I've been mocked on here for years pursuant to my ignorance of the D-3 selection process, but the joke is on those of you who choose- against all logic and experience - to hang your hats on it come February/March.

Each and every season, I'm advised to study the selection nonsense, as if it means anything. I did that once in 2005, and I'll never do it again, because that was a complete assasination of 30 minutes of my life, as it turned-out... (Nothing there was binding, aside from the obvious AQs, so why buy into it?)

The fact of the matter is that the committee will award bids on the basis of whatever the top-secret caprice du jour happens to be on Selection Sunday, and maybe even weeks before that date... Nobody knows how it works in the final analysis, and that's the problem.

To defend such a situation is beyond absurd, but then again, I don't see too many of you savants doing so at this juncture... (Who's looking "stupid" now?)

As I say every year, D-3 should go to a predictable and transparent system for the AL teams, and forget the silly B/C pools... Award the AQs their berths on the basis of RS championships, and give everyone else a fair shake, FCS, including seeding and siting them fairly.

The current situation is an embarrassment to the sport, and there's no doubt about that.
Click to expand...
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

admiral0417 said:
It's obvious the committee wants Oswego in, so Plattsburgh hopes to use that to their advantage Saturday. My gut tells me Oswego is in win or lose. Although I have the utmost respect for Oswego as a team, the numbers do not support it whatsover. Somebody who had a great season (Bowdoin, Hobart) is staying home. In the back of the players minds is the knowledge that they are in regardless of the score Saturday. That's just human nature. Might be the extra edge the Cards need. That and the fact that Cadieux is in their heads (see Bryan Hince).
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My gut tells me oswego is in if the win for sure:D...but I dont think the players think that there are in if they lose,there is to much to be left up to chance/smokie room as far as that goes and I am sure that they know and coach Gosek has reminded them of it plenty of times,and I know for sure ,from experience:eek:,that they dont want to get eaten by the birds again this yr,,cant wait should be another great game
 
Re: NCAA Rankings 2/19/13

Whewwww! Thanks for all the clarification. Just coming into this over the past few weeks i thought most of you guys really did buy into this bs. This process is pretty outrageous. Seems to me one simple solution would be to evenly distribute the teams in the conferences so that every playoff means what it should - the WINNER moves on. Conferences dont mean that much anyways especially at D3. Not like schools are vying for TV markets.
 
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I don't think there is any doubt Oswego is a Pool C if they lose. There would be no other reason to keep them ranked where they are. Bend over Hobart !
 
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I also wonder how much the Adrian factor plays into Oswego being ranked so high. If the committee is really not sold on Hobart for whatever reason, what other teams that are left can play Adrian without a flight? I think St. Norbert is one but I don't think Gustavus or St. John's can. I think if Oswego and Adrian both lose this weekend neither one will be in the NCAA's, if Adrian wins, Oswego might just get in so they have someone to play.
 
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