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MLB 2010: Hope Springs Eternal

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unofan said:
That's the point...you don't need to make all games shorter. The average game is still under 3 hours long. We're talking about a very specific subset of games.
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That's just it, though. The way I see it, there are two choices. Either (1) come up with a rule that applies to all, or (2) don't complain about it.

If the problem is confined to BOS and NYY, then the most effective change would be GLM's balanced schedule suggestion.

That would reduce the number of BOS-NYY games without changing the strike zone or tinkering the amount of timer allowed between pitches, or anything like that.

For the league to sell the BOS-NYY rivalry and then moan when the games are played & managed deliberately is just dumb, imo.
 
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amherstblackbear said:
That's just it, though. The way I see it, there are two choices. Either (1) come up with a rule that applies to all, or (2) don't complain about it.

If the problem is confined to BOS and NYY, then the most effective change would be GLM's balanced schedule suggestion.

That would reduce the number of BOS-NYY games without changing the strike zone or tinkering the amount of timer allowed between pitches, or anything like that.

For the league to sell the BOS-NYY rivalry and then moan when the games are played & managed deliberately is just dumb, imo.
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It's really the Umps fault. There is a rule in the rulebook that allows them to call strikes if the batter does not get in the box quickly enough.

They also have the ability to change the strike zone and make it bigger.

But they won't do either because they don't want to have to go through the arguments with teams every single time it happens. Basically Batters have won, and pretty much get the zone they want.
 
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They're the ones who made the strike zone so tiny, now they want to complain about how long the game is because a pitcher can't throw it and hit their tiny zones?

The strike zone is supposed to be from the letters to your knees.

Instead of being a large rectangle that follows those constraints its usually 2-3 inches off the plate both ways and its from the top of the knees to mid-thigh.

:rolleyes:
 
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Selig says he's concerned about games going too long.

Now I know Joe West is a moron.
 
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GreatLakerMohawk said:
Want to have less NYY-BOS games?

Go back to the balanced schedule.

Hey look, I'm a genius!
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Nah, Bud like experiments. How about Sox-Yankees games have one pitch ABs? If it's a ball, the batter gets first base. If it's a strike and the batter doesn't swing, he grabs some pine. A foul ball is an out.

That should work.
 
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Priceless said:
Nah, Bud like experiments. How about Sox-Yankees games have one pitch ABs? If it's a ball, the batter gets first base. If it's a strike and the batter doesn't swing, he grabs some pine. A foul ball is an out.

That should work.
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Better yet, play by the rules of the old TV show Home Run Derby. That was a hit in the 60s right? Right??
 
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The ump had a point, given the disparity between NY/Bos games and non-NY/Bos games, but he went about it the wrong way. This should have been kept very very internal.

I could see 20 minute gaps if you include all the tv converage (meaning ad breaks and such), but this is insane. And IMO, I think the umps' strikezone argument, while valid overall, doesn't hold water here, since those strikezones are smaller across the league, not just in NY/Bos games.
 
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Actually calling low strikes and not changing the strike zone on 0-2 and 3-0 counts would help too.

Hell, you got this, too.
8.04
When the bases are unoccupied, the pitcher shall deliver the ball to the batter within 12 seconds after he receives the ball. Each time the pitcher delays the game by violating this rule, the umpire shall call “Ball.” The 12-second timing starts when the pitcher is in possession of the ball and the batter is in the box, alert to the pitcher. The timing stops when the pitcher releases the ball.
The intent of this rule is to avoid unnecessary delays. The umpire shall insist that the catcher return the ball promptly to the pitcher, and that the pitcher take his position on the rubber promptly. Obvious delay by the pitcher should instantly be penalized by the umpire.
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Order the batter back in and get on with it. You can do the same to the batter if he's "Unnecessarily delaying things."
 
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Brenthoven said:
And IMO, I think the umps' strikezone argument, while valid overall, doesn't hold water here, since those strikezones are smaller across the league, not just in NY/Bos games.
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If all clubs saw the same number of pitches over a season, I would agree. But they don't. The Yankees and Red Sox were #1 and #2 in the majors last year in number of pitches seen.
 
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It's a combination of the ridiculously tiny strike zones plus both teams having very patient hitters who wait for their pitches.
 
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Terrierbyassociation said:
They're the ones who made the strike zone so tiny, now they want to complain about how long the game is because a pitcher can't throw it and hit their tiny zones?

The strike zone is supposed to be from the letters to your knees.

Instead of being a large rectangle that follows those constraints its usually 2-3 inches off the plate both ways and its from the top of the knees to mid-thigh.

:rolleyes:
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right here. you want shorter games? call a correct strike zone. a bigger strike zone means that hitters won't take as many pitches since more of them are being called strikes, and more hitters will be forced to swing at borderline pitches they normally would take. more swings means less pitches taken since at least some of these additional swings have to make contact into play. less pitches taken equals shorter games.

problem solved. stop shrinking the strike zone, and force hitters to broaden their definition of a strike and what they will/will not swing at.
 
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Ricky Romero is having a very special day through 7.

/12 K's as well

ETA: And another one bites the dust. Plunks Pierzynski and Rios homers.
 
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Twitch Boy said:
Ricky Romero is having a very special day through 7.

/12 K's as well
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AJ Pierzynski pretends to get hit in the foot (big surprise out of baseball's biggest pr!ck), then Alex Rios takes Romero deep.
 
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Random, but I really dislike the new score box during ESPN games. I don't like the little dots for balls/strikes/outs.
 
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There's something very special about Ubaldo Jimenez's pitching today.
 
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