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Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
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Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
I am not going to go on after this, just make this point: My point is you are splitting hairs on this argument. Do numbers lie? Technically no! Numbers are what they are. You are correct. In this case though, one poster tried to use numbers and another responded that they aren't valid ("numbers lie") for comparison. I think most people who aren't extremely literal can except in an informal setting like this that the phrase "numbers lie" is not a strict statement that numbers are incorrect, but that they often are used incorrectly. I think most people here, even if they don't know the terminology, understand how GAA and Save Percentage are affected by multiple variables. I think when SOH states the "numbers lie" because differences in how the defenses played, it is correct given the forum. Technically the numbers aren't wrong, but they are incorrectly applied so they don't accurately reflect the goalies ability and play this year - "they lie". The use of the quote from Twain also isn't technically correct, but it sure makes the point that the numbers can be applied incorrectly, just like saying "numbers lie".
Message boards are not meant to be that literal. They are opinion. For example, do you really think that adviser meant, or that I believed him to mean that the MAIN purpose of the Oral exams was for Ego control? Everyone knows the main purpose is an evaluation. That goes without saying, as does the acceptance that statistics are accurate numbers representing the data.
The real issue that started me off on this is your attitude at times. I like that you are an avid Gopher fan and take time to bring things to this discussion board. I enjoy reading most of your posts. But every once and awhile you have a post like this whose main purpose appears to be more about demonstrating what appears to be your perceived intellectual superiority. (Not that I am guessing you see it that way, but I can guarantee I'm not alone on this.) The argument is about who should play goalie and you try to turn it into a discussion on scientific/statistical design. Talking above a portion of the audience is what a person does when they are trying to impress or confuse, not when trying to have a useful exchange of ideas. Arrogance is one thing I have little tolerance for in a person. I deal with a couple very arrogant people at work at it makes for a very difficult working situation for all. Maybe it makes me overly sensitive to it. The only type of arrogance we should see here is Brent's kind, arrogance in Gopher team ability (which I wish we could muster more of) directed at opposing fans.
As for Kangas, he is not a personal favorite of mine, just think he has earned as much playing time as Patterson and want to see him get his reps in during the year, because we have seen what he is capable of when hot a playoff time.
I suggest you get a second opinion because you received some bad information. I work with academic advisors all the time. Generally speaking, academic committee members are typically chosen by the candidate and are committed to help, not to psychologically intimidate the candidate. The general exam has two goals: 1) to establish that the candidate has a substantive understanding of the research and 2) to formulate the plan for the completion and defense of a doctoral thesis.
No, you're confused. Reread it again please. I'm responding to the misnomer that "numbers can and often do lie".
Reread my post again. Did I indicate it was typical for a college hockey message board?
You seem very confused and I'm not going to take anymore time on this to explain it again. Let's move on.
Mark Twain often used hyperbole for comedic emphasis, as is true in this case. Unless one understands that, the quote can also be misunderstood as truth. You certainly don't need my permission to use the quote.
By the way, you seem to be a avid Kangas fan which is ok with me. I am all for a goalie rotation. Are you ok?
I am not going to go on after this, just make this point: My point is you are splitting hairs on this argument. Do numbers lie? Technically no! Numbers are what they are. You are correct. In this case though, one poster tried to use numbers and another responded that they aren't valid ("numbers lie") for comparison. I think most people who aren't extremely literal can except in an informal setting like this that the phrase "numbers lie" is not a strict statement that numbers are incorrect, but that they often are used incorrectly. I think most people here, even if they don't know the terminology, understand how GAA and Save Percentage are affected by multiple variables. I think when SOH states the "numbers lie" because differences in how the defenses played, it is correct given the forum. Technically the numbers aren't wrong, but they are incorrectly applied so they don't accurately reflect the goalies ability and play this year - "they lie". The use of the quote from Twain also isn't technically correct, but it sure makes the point that the numbers can be applied incorrectly, just like saying "numbers lie".
Message boards are not meant to be that literal. They are opinion. For example, do you really think that adviser meant, or that I believed him to mean that the MAIN purpose of the Oral exams was for Ego control? Everyone knows the main purpose is an evaluation. That goes without saying, as does the acceptance that statistics are accurate numbers representing the data.
The real issue that started me off on this is your attitude at times. I like that you are an avid Gopher fan and take time to bring things to this discussion board. I enjoy reading most of your posts. But every once and awhile you have a post like this whose main purpose appears to be more about demonstrating what appears to be your perceived intellectual superiority. (Not that I am guessing you see it that way, but I can guarantee I'm not alone on this.) The argument is about who should play goalie and you try to turn it into a discussion on scientific/statistical design. Talking above a portion of the audience is what a person does when they are trying to impress or confuse, not when trying to have a useful exchange of ideas. Arrogance is one thing I have little tolerance for in a person. I deal with a couple very arrogant people at work at it makes for a very difficult working situation for all. Maybe it makes me overly sensitive to it. The only type of arrogance we should see here is Brent's kind, arrogance in Gopher team ability (which I wish we could muster more of) directed at opposing fans.
As for Kangas, he is not a personal favorite of mine, just think he has earned as much playing time as Patterson and want to see him get his reps in during the year, because we have seen what he is capable of when hot a playoff time.
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Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Maybe Parenteau is Bjugstad's girlfriend?
Maybe Parenteau is Bjugstad's girlfriend?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
May as well be. Lucia got ripped for overrecruiting and now if another injury occurs they may have to start playing kids out of position again.
Maybe Parenteau is Bjugstad's girlfriend?
May as well be. Lucia got ripped for overrecruiting and now if another injury occurs they may have to start playing kids out of position again.
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Alright, the AD has to find this puck bunny and dispatch of her immediately. Either that or these guys just have to stop kissing each other.
Alright, the AD has to find this puck bunny and dispatch of her immediately. Either that or these guys just have to stop kissing each other.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
"You don't even know who I am."
"You don't even know who I am."
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Scooby's favorite. "I am prepared for the worst, but hope for the best. "
Scooby's favorite. "I am prepared for the worst, but hope for the best. "
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
HarleyMC
Registered User
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
That explains your judgmental attitude, covariation and correspondent inference attribution. Isn't telling posters how and to whom they should post on a public forum a bit arrogant?
Your use of the word, "appears" is a phenomenological heuristic that demonstrates your confirmation bias. Don't put your dictionary away yet son.
Gopher/Badger highlights for your viewing pleasure:
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That explains your judgmental attitude, covariation and correspondent inference attribution. Isn't telling posters how and to whom they should post on a public forum a bit arrogant?
Your use of the word, "appears" is a phenomenological heuristic that demonstrates your confirmation bias. Don't put your dictionary away yet son.
Gopher/Badger highlights for your viewing pleasure:
<iframe width="480" height="391" frameborder="0" src="http://www.gophersports.com/newMediaPlayer/sl/embed.htm?catid=3902&id=732558&type=vod&oemid=8400"></iframe>
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Harley, I know it hurts, but please get Koho's message.
Harley, I know it hurts, but please get Koho's message.
HarleyMC
Registered User
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Hey Was, haven't seen you around and I was getting concerned. How are you doing with your psychosexual binary self concept and is that phallus still embedded in your sphincter?
Hey Was, haven't seen you around and I was getting concerned. How are you doing with your psychosexual binary self concept and is that phallus still embedded in your sphincter?
state of hockey
He fixes the cable?
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
I think the starts against Bye this weekend are the last two Kangas gets for a while.
I think the starts against Bye this weekend are the last two Kangas gets for a while.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Does it matter? They play better in front of Patterson, sure. But if they can't beat Wisconsin at home what difference does it make?
Does it matter? They play better in front of Patterson, sure. But if they can't beat Wisconsin at home what difference does it make?
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
Do you think the reason they have played better D in front of Patterson is actually related to the players either sub-consciously or consciously playing differently based on the goalie, or could it just be a coincidence? From what I can remember, they played decent D in the first two games. Sucked for three. Played well for three. Then one bad and one I assume was decent. I can understand how a team can have more faith in one goalie who has bailed them out many times before so let up on D, or play better for one because they like them better. But in this case, I'm not sure it isn't just an inconsistent team that happens to have played its worst D when Kangas was in nets. I can imagine that that after three wins in a row, they got a little cocky and forgot what got them those wins, hard work. I guess all I am trying to say is that I don't think we know for sure that the team plays better in front of Patterson. However, even though most of the goals on Friday were on the lack of D, there were a couple I would have expected Kangas to stop anyway. I don't see Lucia giving up on him, but I could see him getting skipped in the next series.
Do you think the reason they have played better D in front of Patterson is actually related to the players either sub-consciously or consciously playing differently based on the goalie, or could it just be a coincidence? From what I can remember, they played decent D in the first two games. Sucked for three. Played well for three. Then one bad and one I assume was decent. I can understand how a team can have more faith in one goalie who has bailed them out many times before so let up on D, or play better for one because they like them better. But in this case, I'm not sure it isn't just an inconsistent team that happens to have played its worst D when Kangas was in nets. I can imagine that that after three wins in a row, they got a little cocky and forgot what got them those wins, hard work. I guess all I am trying to say is that I don't think we know for sure that the team plays better in front of Patterson. However, even though most of the goals on Friday were on the lack of D, there were a couple I would have expected Kangas to stop anyway. I don't see Lucia giving up on him, but I could see him getting skipped in the next series.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
I honestly don't know. I've tried to "figure" things out over the years and usually nothing makes any sense after a while.
What I do know is you can't end up with 3 out of 12 points at home in WCHA play and expect to compete for anything. That's already way to much ground to make up.
I honestly don't know. I've tried to "figure" things out over the years and usually nothing makes any sense after a while.
What I do know is you can't end up with 3 out of 12 points at home in WCHA play and expect to compete for anything. That's already way to much ground to make up.
cross cheque
Make the playoffs, not war.
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
So..........is this a formal statement from Scoob that the Goof's season is over? Can I quote you on that Mr. Doo?
So..........is this a formal statement from Scoob that the Goof's season is over? Can I quote you on that Mr. Doo?
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
No. Season isn't over. But, a top 3-4 finish is. I'm guessing they end up where everyone thought they would, about 7th. I was hoping for someting in the 3-4 spot but it just seems far fetched at this point.
On the road again for the 1st round. I guess I'll be getting a refund on those tickets again.
No. Season isn't over. But, a top 3-4 finish is. I'm guessing they end up where everyone thought they would, about 7th. I was hoping for someting in the 3-4 spot but it just seems far fetched at this point.
On the road again for the 1st round. I guess I'll be getting a refund on those tickets again.
gopher wes
Dammit, Gorilla!!
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
No one really responded to me about this on GPL, but the more games I have seen/watched I am seriously begining to think they flat out don't play in front of Kangas. It isn't like they play THAT much better in front of Patterson, but it is evident (to me anyway) that they play much better in front of Patterson. I have seriously drawn some conspiracy theory conclusions in my head and I know some people will call me crazy, but at this point I am not putting anything past this team.
gordwiser
Registered User
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!
My theory is that the coaches don't prepare the team very well during the week and they play like stank on Friday (the day Kangas usually starts), the team turns in a horse dung performance, gets screamed at by said lack of preparedness coaches and then steps up and plays better on Saturday (when Patterson mops up the weekend).
My overriding therory is that Hill sucks as a coach and the defense is putrid, the team has been consistently weak in front of the nets on both sides, and Lucia needs stronger assistants to be successful.
EDIT: Actually, I forgot the real reason why MN has gone into the tank... the Curse.
My theory is that the coaches don't prepare the team very well during the week and they play like stank on Friday (the day Kangas usually starts), the team turns in a horse dung performance, gets screamed at by said lack of preparedness coaches and then steps up and plays better on Saturday (when Patterson mops up the weekend).
My overriding therory is that Hill sucks as a coach and the defense is putrid, the team has been consistently weak in front of the nets on both sides, and Lucia needs stronger assistants to be successful.
EDIT: Actually, I forgot the real reason why MN has gone into the tank... the Curse.
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