Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

[Driftryder]

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If they do defend, will we see a revisitation of Scooby version 2.0?

Yes service pack 1 will be applied and Scooby 2.0 will be back up and running if that happens.

 

[HarleyMC]

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Yes service pack 1 will be applied and Scooby 2.0 will be back up and running if that happens.

Awesome weekend bonus Dr. I know this is down the road, but do you have any idea if there would be an "ecstatic" flash upgrade to version 2.0 should the Gophers make the NCAAs? Just curious.

 

[GopherBigGuy911]

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Made up some ground. Still very weak defense on the weak side. Patterson wasn't as sharp.

Can they now defend home ice? And by defend I mean at least 3 points? If they can do that next weekend we may have something going on as fans that's got some excitement to it.

How the hell can you say Patterson wasn't sharp this weekend????? He stopped 27 of 28 shots on Friday and 24 of 28 on Sat (a night in which the defense DID NOT SHOW UP for the first 2 periods 10 saves and 2 goals in the first and 9 saves and 2 goals in the second). Patterson Punch definatly needs to be served this weekend against Sconi..... Patterson should get that majority of the starts from here on out.

 

[johnnypohlfan]

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Settle down there, BigGuy! I think the comment was referring more to Saturday vs. the whole weekend. And Scooby is right, he wasn't as sharp. 4 goals on 28 shots isn't great, no matter how much you want to blame it on the defense or other factors. I didn't think his positioning was as good on Saturday as the previous two games, and that was the biggest reason he was looking so good in the first place.

It's been a pleasant surprise how well he has performed this year so far, but to put such a blanket statement out there saying he should get the majority of the starts from here on out, that's a little bit of a reach, IMO. Let's not forget that Kangas is still a good goalie, and Patterson, although he's been great, is still unproven. I think a steady rotation is the best action to take for the time being.

 

[GopherBigGuy911]

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Settle down there, BigGuy! I think the comment was referring more to Saturday vs. the whole weekend. And Scooby is right, he wasn't as sharp. 4 goals on 28 shots isn't great, no matter how much you want to blame it on the defense or other factors. I didn't think his positioning was as good on Saturday as the previous two games, and that was the biggest reason he was looking so good in the first place.

It's been a pleasant surprise how well he has performed this year so far, but to put such a blanket statement out there saying he should get the majority of the starts from here on out, that's a little bit of a reach, IMO. Let's not forget that Kangas is still a good goalie, and Patterson, although he's been great, is still unproven. I think a steady rotation is the best action to take for the time being.

I don't see there should be a roatation Patterson has showen that he is a stud and has numbers to prove it so far he has a .923 Save Percentage and is 4-0 in his 4 starts vs. Kangas's .883 Save Percentage and a 1-3 record in his 4 starts... I think you have to ride the hot goalie until he fails you. Patterson Punch gets served on Friday and if he wins it gets served Sat as well. If he loses then Kangas Kool-Aid gets served on Saturday. The onus is on Kangas to put up or shut up when he gets a chance again.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Settle down there, BigGuy! I think the comment was referring more to Saturday vs. the whole weekend. And Scooby is right, he wasn't as sharp. 4 goals on 28 shots isn't great, no matter how much you want to blame it on the defense or other factors. I didn't think his positioning was as good on Saturday as the previous two games, and that was the biggest reason he was looking so good in the first place.

It's been a pleasant surprise how well he has performed this year so far, but to put such a blanket statement out there saying he should get the majority of the starts from here on out, that's a little bit of a reach, IMO. Let's not forget that Kangas is still a good goalie, and Patterson, although he's been great, is still unproven. I think a steady rotation is the best action to take for the time being.

I was indeed only referring to Sat. and I stand by my assessment that he wasn't as good. 4 goals on 28 shots is too high, and all 4 of those WERE not the hung out to dry type goals that have been common this year.

I would start a rotation starting this weekend and keep it consistent for a while. Patterson has earned his way to a starting role but I think I want both of them in there the rest of the year so there can be some real competition going into the playoffs.

 

[GopherBigGuy911]

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I was indeed only referring to Sat. and I stand by my assessment that he wasn't as good. 4 goals on 28 shots is too high, and all 4 of those WERE not the hung out to dry type goals that have been common this year.

I would start a rotation starting this weekend and keep it consistent for a while. Patterson has earned his way to a starting role but I think I want both of them in there the rest of the year so there can be some real competition going into the playoffs.

Alright so tell them now that Patterson gets friday and Kangas gets Sat and whoever does a better job gets next friday.... and you just keep switching it up.

 

[johnnypohlfan]

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Alright so tell them now that Patterson gets friday and Kangas gets Sat and whoever does a better job gets next friday.... and you just keep switching it up.

Yes, just keep switching it up every week. That won't mess with their heads at all. That's how to develop a goalie into a consistent winner.

Look, I think you are on the right track, but you're not taking the whole picture into consideration. The sample size for Patterson is simply too small to give him the reigns and say its his job to lose. And your idea of basing it on who wins is ridiculous. You're sying that if the Gophers win on Friday 8-7, and Patterson stops 20 of 27 shots, then Kangas plays Saturday, and they lose 3-2 while he makes 30 saves, Patterson should still start?

 

[Stauber1]

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I think it's pretty clear that they will be trading off games for the foreseeable future, with the play of each netminder dictating just how long that rotation remains.
I'm happy about this as I think, in general, having 2 quality guys staying game-fit is always a positive. It's actually how I was hoping the season would start.

I'd guess Kangas will be in this Friday, and Patterson Saturday.

 

[4four4]

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Goaltending is not the biggest problem the Gophers have so far this year. Pure and simple the defense still needs to improve in the neutral zone and on the weakside. Before many star freshman came to Minneapolis to play for the Gophers more then likely many of them didn't understand defense or team defense. Since, the college level is a huge step up from the USHL and high school almost every young player has to learn the defensive end of their game. IMO, it is coming along but they still need to make more strides.

 

[GopherBigGuy911]

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Yes, just keep switching it up every week. That won't mess with their heads at all. That's how to develop a goalie into a consistent winner.

Look, I think you are on the right track, but you're not taking the whole picture into consideration. The sample size for Patterson is simply too small to give him the reigns and say its his job to lose. And your idea of basing it on who wins is ridiculous. You're sying that if the Gophers win on Friday 8-7, and Patterson stops 20 of 27 shots, then Kangas plays Saturday, and they lose 3-2 while he makes 30 saves, Patterson should still start?

Hey, just for the record I am all for Patterson taking over the reigns of the goalie spot for the foreseeable future, last year Kangas and Patterson had the virtual same save percentage last year and this year the numbers don't lie. I think it should be Patterson's job to lose plain and simple.

 

[state of hockey]

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Hey, just for the record I am all for Patterson taking over the reigns of the goalie spot for the foreseeable future, last year Kangas and Patterson had the virtual same save percentage last year and this year the numbers don't lie. I think it should be Patterson's job to lose plain and simple.

Numbers can and often do lie, actually. The defense has been WORLDS better in Patterson's starts. The only way I would agree with sticking with just Patterson is if the defense has been better BECAUSE of him behind them.

 

[Koho]

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Numbers can and often do lie, actually. The defense has been WORLDS better in Patterson's starts. The only way I would agree with sticking with just Patterson is if the defense has been better BECAUSE of him behind them.

I agree, but I can say they have obviously played better D since the UNO series and the first SCSU game. In those games, players were left alone on the weak side coinstantly. Gophers stood around waiting to react, rather than trying to beat the other team to the puck. Defenders were stickchecking in front of their net, instead of hitting. There was zero banging going on in neutral ice. To compare Kangsas' results with that pathetic effort in front of him to Patterson's with a much improved team in front of him is ridiculous.

And to GBG, I agree with Scooby and Johnnypohlfan. Patterson wasn't as positionally sound on Saturday as Friday. Kangas has proven himself for three years, Patterson for three games. Kangas has completely stolen games before. Patterson is capable of doing the same, if he can keep playing this well. But you have to give Kangas icetime with a team that is playing better in front of him. Rotate until one messes up, and even then, I'd probably only make them sit one weekend and then get another shot. Or if one completely steals a game, maybe reward him with both starts for ONE weekend. Patterson has done very well, but at this point I am not convinced he is better in the long-run than Kangas. Lucia waits until late in the season to settle on lines, why would he want to commit to one goalie this early when neither has been bad?

 

[HarleyMC]

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Numbers can and often do lie, actually. The defense has been WORLDS better in Patterson's starts. The only way I would agree with sticking with just Patterson is if the defense has been better BECAUSE of him behind them.

Goalie statistics do not lie if internal validity is maintained. Numerous independent and covariant variables that correlate with goalie performance are unfortunately cryptically veiled in dependent variables of SV% and GAA. Overall defensive performances are difficult to quantify and actually represent only one of many independent and covariant variables in a hockey game that may have a correlating positive or negative effect on goalie performance. Statistically speaking and in the case of Patterson's performance, it is not statistically valid to overemphasize the efficacy of one independent variable (defensive performance). Nor can a dependent variable adversely or favorably affect an independent variable. Just a thought.

 

[The Rube]

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Goalie statistics do not lie if internal validity is maintained. Numerous independent and covariant variables that correlate with goalie performance are unfortunately cryptically veiled in dependent variables of SV% and GAA. Overall defensive performances are difficult to quantify and actually represent only one of many independent and covariant variables in a hockey game that may have a correlating positive or negative effect on goalie performance. Statistically speaking and in the case of Patterson's performance, it is not statistically valid to overemphasize the efficacy of one independent variable (defensive performance). Nor can a dependent variable adversely or favorably affect an independent variable. Just a thought.

Whatever you just said is a bunch of bullsh*. Go Kangas!

 

[Koho]

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Goalie statistics do not lie if internal validity is maintained. Numerous independent and covariant variables that correlate with goalie performance are unfortunately cryptically veiled in dependent variables of SV% and GAA. Overall defensive performances are difficult to quantify and actually represent only one of many independent and covariant variables in a hockey game that may have a correlating positive or negative effect on goalie performance. Statistically speaking and in the case of Patterson's performance, it is not statistically valid to overemphasize the efficacy of one independent variable (defensive performance). Nor can a dependent variable adversely or favorably affect an independent variable. Just a thought.

You are essentially saying the same thing as SOH, just trying to show off your understanding of statistics and the English Language. The variables were not constant in this experiment (defensive performance, play of opposing teams etc). Given a much larger sample size, those should start to wash out (reason for replication). But I agree with SOH that the sample size is too small to say Patterson is clearly better and gets all the starts. (Are you a PhD candidate, by chance? You write like you want to fit the title attached to those candidates by master's students.)

Remember the words of the very intelligent of 19th Century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881), and later made famous by Mark Twain: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, d*mned lies, and statistics."

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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So, it looks like Budish is out for the year with a knee injury after a moped accident.

From hammyhockey:

Heard from multiple sources now that Budish has a torn ACL. The opposite knee of the one he had surgically repaired in HS. Best wishes 2 him

The devastating injuries just never end with this team. I was thrilled with the prospects of seeing that line play for a while and it's over already. I just posted about it a couple of days ago.

 

[brianvf]

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So, it looks like Budish is out for the year with a knee injury after a moped accident.

The devastating injuries just never end with this team. I was thrilled with the prospects of seeing that line play for a while and it's over already. I just posted about it a couple of days ago.

Seriously?
That's brutal. Best of luck to a speedy recovery for Budish...

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Seriously?
That's brutal. Best of luck to a speedy recovery for Budish...

My optimism after CC has been short lived. Yeah, it's serious.

 

[Koho]

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So, it looks like Budish is out for the year with a knee injury after a moped accident.

From hammyhockey:


The devastating injuries just never end with this team. I was thrilled with the prospects of seeing that line play for a while and it's over already. I just posted about it a couple of days ago.

But....but....but....We haven't even played Michigan yet???