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Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Numbers can and often do lie, actually. The defense has been WORLDS better in Patterson's starts. The only way I would agree with sticking with just Patterson is if the defense has been better BECAUSE of him behind them.
This is my take. Even though the defense still has work to do, it was night and day better from Kangas' starts to Patterson's.

Budish....UGH!
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Budish Moped accident- I wouldn't be surprised if Brad Malone and Frat Party Frattin were seen speeding away from the scene after Hak instructed them to run Budish over with their car! The dirtiness of the Sue has no boundaries.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Budish Moped accident- I wouldn't be surprised if Brad Malone and Frat Party Frattin were seen speeding away from the scene after Hak instructed them to run Budish over with their car! The dirtiness of the Sue has no boundaries.

Yeah right. That little p^ssy Budish would be six feet under where he belongs if Pony and MMFF were on the job.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

You are essentially saying the same thing as SOH, just trying to show off your understanding of statistics and the English Language. The variables were not constant in this experiment (defensive performance, play of opposing teams etc). Given a much larger sample size, those should start to wash out (reason for replication). But I agree with SOH that the sample size is too small to say Patterson is clearly better and gets all the starts. (Are you a PhD candidate, by chance? You write like you want to fit the title attached to those candidates by master's students.)

Remember the words of the very intelligent of 19th Century British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli (1804–1881), and later made famous by Mark Twain: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, d*mned lies, and statistics."

No, I'm not saying the same thing as SOH and I'm not trying to show off. It's just the type of nomenclature that is typically used to accurately explain a basic quantitative statistical analysis process. There isn't a need for an experimental control group with the type of quantitative research methodology that I was referring to. What you have done by stating that certain variables (there are several) are not constant is simply restating my point about independents and covariates. Goalie stats are dependent variables in every statistical calculation of this nature. Defensive performance is only one of many combined independent variables and covariates that are inferential. Therefore my point, it's not valid to isolate it as SOH has done.

Actually it is generally not accepted among the scholarly literary community that Disraeli is the source of the above quote. The quote was originally referring to the empirical branding of opinions by "expert witnesses" who were not subject to perjury. It later developed into a phrase that characterized the invalid manipulation of statistics by expert witnesses around the late 19th c. That's something different. As I said, statistics don't lie as long as internal validity is maintained.

If there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I'll be finishing my Ph.D work soon. It's funny you mentioned masters students in that context.:D Since the trendline is upgrade, become enlightened and make more money, the majority must want to fit the title as well.

Whatever you just said is a bunch of bullsh*. Go Kangas!

;)

Since when did you start sharing a soggy bagel with Archie Bunker, Brent? By the way, if you're looking for a sweep again I hope you're not thinking about posting this weekend? Lurking is permitted up to the last minute of play like last weekend. Write it down.
 
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Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Budish Moped accident- I wouldn't be surprised if Brad Malone and Frat Party Frattin were seen speeding away from the scene after Hak instructed them to run Budish over with their car! The dirtiness of the Sue has no boundaries.

Yes! Because that makes all the sense in the world!

*rolls eyes*

I bet his accident was caused by some idiot driving through the U of M campus who doesn't know how to drive. I have to drive through campus every day and I'm not surprised at all to hear about this with all the idiots driving out there. Just sayin'

I'm curious how he hurt his knee supposedly though...
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

But....but....but....We haven't even played Michigan yet???

Remember at the start of the year when there was going to be competition for playing time?

C Nick Bjugstad (mono), C/W Nick Larson (foot) and W Zach Budish (knee).

If I'm adding correctly (and Roman is) there is one extra forward. Miller.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Remember at the start of the year when there was going to be competition for playing time?

C Nick Bjugstad (mono), C/W Nick Larson (foot) and W Zach Budish (knee).

If I'm adding correctly (and Roman is) there is one extra forward. Miller.
This was the lineup for the CC series:

Forwards:

Hoeffel-Haula-Barriball
Cepis-Condon-Budish
J.Larson-Matson-Hansen
Serratore-Sacchetti-White

Actually that leaves two forwards: Joey Miller and Max Gardiner. I don't think the Nick Larson injury is real serious. He didn't make the trip to CC giving his foot time to heal, so I wouldn't be surprised to see him back this weekend. Zach Budish was starting to make an significant impact. The knee injury is a very tough break for Zach Budish, his family and the Gophers. See ya next season Zach. Wow, that's disappointing.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

But....but....but....We haven't even played Michigan yet???

That's what I was thinking as well...... we get to lose 2 this year to a knee injury.


As Scooby had mentioned I was also looking forward to watching the 2nd line of Cepis Condon and Budish they were creating many scoring chances and playing really well together. Someone needs to step up and fill the spot left by Budish. Gardiner? Bjugstad? Larson? anyone anyone Bueller?
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

One has to notice that Bjugstad would probably be able to fill the role best, with his size. That is only if he doesn't Wheeler it though.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Bjugstad is expected to be back for the Nov. 19-20 MTU series. But like Hoeffel said, he never really felt 100% until after the 09-10 season. The recovery rate does vary though.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Bjugstad is expected to be back for the Nov. 19-20 MTU series. But like Hoeffel said, he never really felt 100% until after the 09-10 season. The recovery rate does vary though.

Considering you can literally do almost nothing while afflicted by it I would assume it's going to take a while to get back up to speed.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

No, I'm not saying the same thing as SOH and I'm not trying to show off. It's just the type of nomenclature that is typically used to accurately explain a basic quantitative statistical analysis process. There isn't a need for an experimental control group with the type of quantitative research methodology that I was referring to. What you have done by stating that certain variables (there are several) are not constant is simply restating my point about independents and covariates. Goalie stats are dependent variables in every statistical calculation of this nature. Defensive performance is only one of many combined independent variables and covariates that are inferential. Therefore my point, it's not valid to isolate it as SOH has done.

Actually it is generally not accepted among the scholarly literary community that Disraeli is the source of the above quote. The quote was originally referring to the empirical branding of opinions by "expert witnesses" who were not subject to perjury. It later developed into a phrase that characterized the invalid manipulation of statistics by expert witnesses around the late 19th c. That's something different. As I said, statistics don't lie as long as internal validity is maintained.

If there's a light at the end of the tunnel, I'll be finishing my Ph.D work soon. It's funny you mentioned masters students in that context.:D Since the trendline is upgrade, become enlightened and make more money, the majority must want to fit the title as well.



Since when did you start sharing a soggy bagel with Archie Bunker, Brent? By the way, if you're looking for a sweep again I hope you're not thinking about posting this weekend? Lurking is permitted up to the last minute of play like last weekend. Write it down.

Piled higher and Deeper! I remember an academic advisor saying something about preliminary oral exams for PhD's were an attempt by the committee to knock some of the Ego out of the candidate, but it didn't always work.

SOH basically said you can't use the numbers between the goalies from a few games to compare their play and you basically explained why. And your "nomenclature", I would argue, is not the "typical way to explain" statistics ON A COLLEGE HOCKEY MESSAGE BOARD. (Actually after re-reading, are you responded to SOH but meant to respond to the first person who quoted the stats as proof Patterson is better? SOH responded that one can't compare those numbers here. Wait, now I've read your response and i think you are arguing with SOH becasue he only mentioned ONE variable, defensive performance? If that is the case, it is ridiculous to claim that is the only variable he is arguing. It is the most important.)

And to argue who first said the quote, when Twain attributed it to that person after stating it, I can't believe you would actually go there! I use statistics in my job, and I sure as hell am not going to shy away from using that quote. A person can pick the statistics they want to make their point, including save percentage from 3 games in which a goalie had great D support to compare to 3 games where a different goalie had poor support. you are right. The statistics aren't lying. But the point is they are incorrectly applied ALL THE TIME. That is what the quote referred to and that is what SOG is alleging. Who gives a crap who said it. It is a funny quote that can be used to refute people who misapply stats, like the person who first claimed Patterson's stats show he deserves all the starts.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

I bet his accident was caused by some idiot driving through the U of M campus who doesn't know how to drive. I have to drive through campus every day and I'm not surprised at all to hear about this with all the idiots driving out there.

Yes, because this type of accident could not have happened on any other campus in the country.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Yes, because this type of accident could not have happened on any other campus in the country.

I think RinkPig might have actually been onto something as Brad Malone also has a moped. Perhaps Budish and Malone were moped jousting?
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Piled higher and Deeper! I remember an academic advisor saying something about preliminary oral exams for PhD's were an attempt by the committee to knock some of the Ego out of the candidate, but it didn't always work.

:D I suggest you get a second opinion because you received some bad information. I work with academic advisors all the time. Generally speaking, academic committee members are typically chosen by the candidate and are committed to help, not to psychologically intimidate the candidate. The general exam has two goals: 1) to establish that the candidate has a substantive understanding of the research and 2) to formulate the plan for the completion and defense of a doctoral thesis.

SOH basically said you can't use the numbers between the goalies from a few games to compare their play and you basically explained why.

No, you're confused. Reread it again please. I'm responding to the misnomer that "numbers can and often do lie".

And your "nomenclature", I would argue, is not the "typical way to explain" statistics ON A COLLEGE HOCKEY MESSAGE BOARD.

Reread my post again. Did I indicate it was typical for a college hockey message board?:D

(Actually after re-reading, are you responded to SOH but meant to respond to the first person who quoted the stats as proof Patterson is better? SOH responded that one can't compare those numbers here. Wait, now I've read your response and i think you are arguing with SOH becasue he only mentioned ONE variable, defensive performance? If that is the case, it is ridiculous to claim that is the only variable he is arguing. It is the most important.)

You seem very confused and I'm not going to take anymore time on this to explain it again. Let's move on.

And to argue who first said the quote, when Twain attributed it to that person after stating it, I can't believe you would actually go there! I use statistics in my job, and I sure as hell am not going to shy away from using that quote. A person can pick the statistics they want to make their point, including save percentage from 3 games in which a goalie had great D support to compare to 3 games where a different goalie had poor support. you are right. The statistics aren't lying. But the point is they are incorrectly applied ALL THE TIME. That is what the quote referred to and that is what SOG is alleging. Who gives a crap who said it. It is a funny quote that can be used to refute people who misapply stats, like the person who first claimed Patterson's stats show he deserves all the starts.

Mark Twain often used hyperbole for comedic emphasis, as is true in this case. Unless one understands that, the quote can also be misunderstood as truth. You certainly don't need my permission to use the quote.:D I was responding to the incorrect reference you cited and providing the original context and meaning which to reiterate does not have anything to do with my original point. You apparently still don't get it. If you want to discuss the misapplication of statistics in my view both posters were actually incorrect.

By the way, you seem to be a avid Kangas fan which is ok with me. I am all for a goalie rotation. Are you ok?:)
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

I think RinkPig might have actually been onto something as Brad Malone also has a moped. Perhaps Budish and Malone were moped jousting?

So Malone charged and went in with a high elbow? He's a busy boy, isn't he?
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

So Malone charged and went in with a high elbow? He's a busy boy, isn't he?

Why would Pony risk injurying his elbow when he can just use a jousting pole to hurt Budish? Plus moped jousting would be awesome.
 
Re: Minnesota Gophers Season Thread: Kangas Kool-Aid For All!

Why would Pony risk injurying his elbow when he can just use a jousting pole to hurt Budish? Plus moped jousting would be awesome.

I think you and Happy should demonstrate it for the rest of us so we can judge how awesome it is.
 
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