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Minnesota Girls High School Hockey III

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I'm sitting at home watching, on TV but it seems that the '45' viewing page isn't working.. the watch now button comes to an error page.. was trying to help others view
 
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dhmn said:
I'm sitting at home watching, on TV but it seems that the '45' viewing page isn't working.. the watch now button comes to an error page.. was trying to help others view
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I assume your local cable or satellite doesn't give you Channel 45 on TV? Great HD picture sure beats watching it streamed on the computer...or even worse not at all if their feed isn't working.
 
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I was trying to give people the link who are on Facebook and not at home watching.. as I said I have it on TV.. WDIO (ABC Affiliate) picks up 45 for tourneys and shows it on one of their extra digital channels.. the RTVSN channel (old tv shows like Emergency are on it. I don't have an HD TV yet actually either.. and the channel itself isn't an HD one through Mediacom
 
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SlewFoot said:
Expect the winner to be either Ramsey, Lorence or Bona. They are all Minnesota recruits and the Ms Hockey winner is always a MN recruit or is it the other way around? My bet would be on Ramsey.
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Well, your expectations were not met. Congratulations to both Miss Sylvester and Miss Friend.

Is this the first winner of either award for the Badgers or Huskies?

ARM said:
Congratulations to:

Karley Sylvester of Warroad named Ms. Hockey

and

Julie Friend of Minnetonka named the Let’s Play Hockey Senior Goalie of the Year
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Is this the first winner of either award for the Badgers or Huskies?
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Ashley Nixon was Sr. Goalie, as was Alannah McCready. So they each have at least one previous for that award.
 
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brookyone said:
Well, your expectations were not met. Congratulations to both Miss Sylvester and Miss Friend.

Is this the first winner of either award for the Badgers or Huskies?
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It was a pleasant surprise. They interviewed all of the girls before the award was announced. All of the girls did a great job but IMO the most engaging and funny interviewee was Miss Sylvester. She was very uncomfortable in the spotlight and gave short, honest and funny answers which made her very likable. As an example, when asked why she was so good in Math and Science she hesitated and responded "Well I don't like English". I think they picked an outstanding winner.

BTW the All-State Awards are out. There are many All-State Awards but this one is done by the HS coaches so I think its the best All-State Awards done by the most knowledgeable group.http://www.mngirlshockeyhub.com/page/show/115699-mghca-all-state For those of you that aren't Minnesotans A is the small school category and AA is the big school category.

Class AA All State
Jordyn Burns Benilde-St. Margarets D 2011
Caitlin Hewes Stillwater D 2011
Morgan Illikainen Grand Rapids Greenway D 2011
Rachel Ramsey Minnetonka D 2011
Lee Stecklein Roseville D 2012
Greer Vogl Edina D 2011
Krystal Baumann Farmington F 2011
Rachael Bona Coon Rapids F 2011
Hannah Brandt Hill-Murray F 2012
Jonna Curtis Elk River F 2012
Rachael Kelly Rosemount F 2011
Allie LaCombe Eden Prairie F 2011
Meghan Lorence Irondale F 2011
Abby Ness Roseau F 2011
Samantha Reber Edina F 2011
Julie Friend Minnetonka G 2011
Chelsea Laden Lakeville South G 2011

Class AA Honorable Mention
Megan Armstrong Edina D 2012
Audrey Hanmer Forest Lake D 2011
Samantha Hanson White Bear Lake D 2012
Brittney Huneke Hastings D 2010
Sydney Morin Minnetonka D 2013
Jessie Ryan Cloquet D 2011
Emma Stauber Proctor/Herm/Marshall D 2011
Paige Baldwin Minnetonka F 2011
Laura Bowman Minnetonka F 2013
Christie Brauer Edina F 2011
Carolyn Draayer Minnetonka F 2011
Kate Flug Roseville F 2013
Morgan Fritz-Ward Lakeville South F 2011
Hayley Hill White Bear Lake F 2012
Molly Illikainen Grand Rapids Greenway F 2012
Samantha Moore Lakeville South F 2011
Emily Snodgrass Eastview F 2011
Erika Allen Roseville G 2012
Madeleine Dahl Edina G 2012

Class A All State
Adlon Adams The Blake School D 2011
Hannah Johnston Warroad D 2012
Sam LaShomb South St. Paul D 2012
Milica McMillen Breck D 2012
Delaney Middlebrook Visitation/SPA D 2011
Elizabeth Olson Warroad D 2011
Danielle Cameranesi The Blake School F 2013
Hillary Crowe The Blake School F 2011
Kayla Gardner Warroad F 2013
Leah Jensen East Grand Forks F 2011
Shannon Kaiser Crookston F 2011
Taylor Kuehl Mound Westonka/W-M F 2011
Lisa Marvin Warroad F 2013
Layla Marvin Warroad F 2011
Karley Sylvester Warroad F 2011
Shelby Amsley-Benzie Warroad G 2011
Chloe Billadeau The Blake School G 2011

Class A Honorable Mention
Lynn Astrup Warroad D 2014
Paige Haley Red Wing D 2013
Emma Kishel Eveleth-Gilbert Area D 2011
Karina Marette Breck D 2012
Amanda Arbogast Eveleth-Gilbert Area F 2011
Brianna Breiland Crookston F 2013
Megan Brettingen Warroad F 2011
Sara Carlson Hutchinson F 2012
Abbie Lund The Blake School F 2011
Megan Lushanko Chisago Lakes F 2012
Danielle Schultz Morris/Benson F 2011
Taylor Neisen Breck G 2012
Shyler Sletta New Prague G 2011
 
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For any additional discussion regarding things related to Minnesota Girls High School Hockey. :)
 
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WCHFan said:
I'm not sure it was well thought out and I'm sure some people won't like to hear it. In my opinion it's true.

I would like to hear others opinions and maybe it needs to be put into another thread?
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WCHFan said:
Yes, these recuits may dominate, own etc. etc. etc. during their high school, U19 or even summer AAA hockey. Most goals I saw this year were players going end to end without a pass and many breakaways. The girl mentioned above played D but didn't play like a D as did most D. Alot of end to end. Scores were higher especially in Minnesota and I thought play was slower than in years past. Teams had 1 maybe maybe 2 lines. In ND, Wisc teams had maybe 3 solid players. U19 teams were solid but even SSM seemed down as far as talent.

I used to think AAA summer hockey was a very close to college hockey. Let me say College is another HUGE level. In college you MUST play team hockey and not play as an individual. In college rarley can you go end to end without passing the puck.
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I didn't see as much high school hockey last season as in previous years. From what I did see, I would tend to agree with your assessment regarding the MSHSL play overall. There were a few teams I might consider exceptions to the trend you mention.

Having watched a lot of WCHA hockey...I never felt U19AAA was all that close to D-I college hockey. There may have been a couple super AAA teams in the past that qualify as exceptions to that belief as well. There was one Minnesota team a few years back stacked with top high school talent (may have included some SSM players IIRC) that fared especially well against teams made up of excellent players with college hockey experience in some summer tournament competition.
 
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As far as D play, I think there will be a rude awakening for some of the D that are used to rushing the puck, not moving the puck and generally playing too offensively. Unfortunately, this style of play is rewarded because the advanced programs consistently pick what I think are Fs playing the D position. I'm seeing too many D rushing the puck, not passing and playing down around the hash marks in the offensive zone. If they play like that in college I think they will quickly find themselves riding the pines.
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Very few offensive focused D in high school step into the collegiate game and are able to continue that style of play from the start. Their defensive responsibilities are far more vital, challenging and primary in college hockey where your going to play opponents that will challenge you on a much more equal level every week...than did weaker opponents throughout a typical high school schedule. Unfortunately, I've seen quite a bit of coaching in high school that does the player disservice as far as development for the college game...which has caused noticeable difficulty in adjusting to college hockey for some.

There are some coaches that do a very good job at teaching the team concept. it'd be good if there were more of those.

Yes, the SEC was down last season compared to recent years. I saw some underclassmen though that make me believe the conference will be stronger again before long.
 
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brookyone said:
Very few offensive focused D in high school step into the collegiate game and are able to continue that style of play from the start. Their defensive responsibilities are far more vital, challenging and primary in college hockey where your going to play opponents that will challenge you on a much more equal level every week...than did weaker opponents throughout a typical high school schedule. Unfortunately, I've seen quite a bit of coaching in high school that does the player disservice as far as development for the college game...which has caused noticeable difficulty in adjusting to college hockey for some.

There are some coaches that do a very good job at teaching the team concept. it'd be good if there were more of those.

Yes, the SEC was down last season compared to recent years. I saw some underclassmen though that make me believe the conference will be stronger again before long.
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I agree with you Brooky. The SEC was down but I saw a lot of good freshman and sophs in that conference that makes me think they will be back relatively soon.

As far as coaching D, I think high school coaches are trying to win and they could care less about developing players for college. I don't blame them because its not their job to develop players for the next level but as a result I think very few HS D players are ready for college. Its all about depth. Since most HS programs don't have the depth, teams are built from the net out and some of the best scorers are the Blueliners. This makes offensive play from the D a necessity. Also, you typically see the NDP, All-state or All-conference selections based on offensive stats so even on the good teams with lots of depth the D feels pressure to be offensive to get recognition. You rarely hear people talk about D in the context of moving the puck, keeping Fs wide, stopping odd man rushes, winning battles in the corners, getting the puck out of the zone quickly and effectively, or holding the point. The talk is always about how many goals are scored or offensive skills. Offensive prowess doesn't mean as much in college especially if the other team is taking advantage of D out of position. Many of these girls need a year or two to make the transition.
 
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I agree with you Brooky. The SEC was down but I saw a lot of good freshman and sophs in that conference that makes me think they will be back relatively soon.

As far as coaching D, I think high school coaches are trying to win and they could care less about developing players for college. I don't blame them because its not their job to develop players for the next level but as a result I think very few HS D players are ready for college.
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Trying to win...of course. Not caring about a players development for the next level, that's true for many high school coaches...not all, but still a disservice to the players that are obvious prospects for continuing to play at higher levels beyond their high school career, IMO...and I wouldn't let them off the hook regarding that aspect of the job as easily as you I guess. There are coaches out there doing a pretty good job of it, while winning proving it can be done. Obviously there aren't enough of those quality coaches for every high school team and I admire anyone who takes the job. I wouldn't want it considering the beating so many take from parents...vs. the compensation. Still, if one takes the job, better developing a player for the next level should be an objective on par with winning, with a good coach I think.
 
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All excellent points, but remember just because a defensemen puts up big numbers or play more offensively it doesn’t automatically mean they are not defending the goal nor have the skills to play a team concept. Elite players play the game. If the opposition has talent up front these players will play a more conservative style and vise versa. These higher point totals are more an indication of the overall talent. You have to remember that this game is still in the infancy stage of development or at the very least the adolescence. After watching this game evolve over the past 15 years I believe what we may have been experiencing is the first wave of competitive parity. And with any wave there are going to be period(s) of dispersion before the next phase. We may be at this point now. As far as playing at the next level I think the same can be said for all players at all positions. Offensive players equally have to make an adjustment if they want to be successful. Goals don’t come so easily when up against the best goalies in the world. Players who scored 30 - 40 goals in highs school are lucky to reach a fraction of that their first year or ever. Anyway, since when do elite players develop during the High School season anymore? If you ask the players they will tell you that real development comes March thru August. That’s when they are playing against stiffer completion and receiving a higher quality of instruction. Very few make the transition without any difficulty. As far as AAA teams, Minnesota can really only field 2 maybe 3 teams worthy of AAA and from what I have seen they stack up pretty well in comparison. Recently, organizations like OS and Fhit have D-1 level players training and competing with the top end high school players. Really not the drastic difference in abilities as one might think.
 
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frozenfeet said:
Anyway, since when do elite players develop during the High School season anymore? If you ask the players they will tell you that real development comes March thru August. That’s when they are playing against stiffer completion and receiving a higher quality of instruction.
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I certainly can't / won't dispute this observation. Stiffer competiotion and higher quality instruction vs. MSHSL hockey for sure, and an extremely important opportunity for any player looking to play college hockey. I'd say it's definitely come to the point that with the number of division I roster spots available for a typical recruiting class, with the talent pool having increased pretty dramatically in both depth and skill the last several years, a player better have some experience outside of Minnesota high school hockey. Competition for those spots is at a stage which makes that essential from my POV.
 
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frozenfeet said:
All excellent points, but remember just because a defensemen puts up big numbers or play more offensively it doesn’t automatically mean they are not defending the goal nor have the skills to play a team concept. Elite players play the game. If the opposition has talent up front these players will play a more conservative style and vise versa. These higher point totals are more an indication of the overall talent. You have to remember that this game is still in the infancy stage of development or at the very least the adolescence. After watching this game evolve over the past 15 years I believe what we may have been experiencing is the first wave of competitive parity. And with any wave there are going to be period(s) of dispersion before the next phase. We may be at this point now. As far as playing at the next level I think the same can be said for all players at all positions. Offensive players equally have to make an adjustment if they want to be successful. Goals don’t come so easily when up against the best goalies in the world. Players who scored 30 - 40 goals in highs school are lucky to reach a fraction of that their first year or ever. Anyway, since when do elite players develop during the High School season anymore? If you ask the players they will tell you that real development comes March thru August. That’s when they are playing against stiffer completion and receiving a higher quality of instruction. Very few make the transition without any difficulty. As far as AAA teams, Minnesota can really only field 2 maybe 3 teams worthy of AAA and from what I have seen they stack up pretty well in comparison. Recently, organizations like OS and Fhit have D-1 level players training and competing with the top end high school players. Really not the drastic difference in abilities as one might think.
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Good points. There are some that can be offensive and yet be excellent defenders. The first one to come to my mind is Milicia McMillen but I can name a lot more players (I won't) that are not good defensive players and have made their name offensively. I will be very interested in seeing how those players adjust to the next level.
 
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