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Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

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Many factual errors? Please fill us in on the specifics?

I am assuming you are talking about the article you linked too and not in the alumni magazine? And as I reread it I see it is your own article. As someone who has written many articles in various publications I am not trying to be a pain as much of your piece was well written, but there were several factual errors or historical errors.

Let's take this paragraph

"Included in Walsh’s inaugural recruiting class was a pair of southern New England skaters, Jack Capuano (’85-’88, Salisbury, MA) and Bob Corkum (’85-’89, Warwick, RI) who were pioneers of sorts as they bucked the tradition of the famed Beanpot Schools for a trip up I-95 to the University of Maine. This resulted in several other Boston area prospects following suit – including the diminutive F- Cal Ingraham (’91-’94 – Georgetown, MA) and G- Garth Snow (’88-’93, Wrentham, MA)."

Jack and his brother David were the RI kids and Corkum was from Salisbury, that would be a factual error. Corkum was actually being recruited by BC to play football. Cal Ingraham did not "follow suit" he went to Air Force and essentially flunked out, Garth was a recruited walk on and after his freshmen year went to Ontario to play for a year before coming back, so neither spurned offers from BC or BU. And neither Jack Capuano or Corkum was a member of Shawn's first recruiting class! Mike Golden was actually the most important and first blue chip american recruit for Shawn. He had dropped or flunked out of UNH and was set to go someplace else when Shawn talked him into a visit to Maine.

Also while not a "factual error" this is not accurate as you stated "Walsh, invigorated the program by luring some top Canadian recruits…Paul Kariya, Patrice Tardif, Jean Yves Roy, etc… to Orono in what can be viewed as the true foundation of the program and a harbinger of what was to come."

The foundation of recruits from Canada for Shawn started with Al Loring, Dave Nonis, Dave Wensley and then Scott King. We were established when Roy, Tardiff (who I do not recall being a blue-chipper), and Kariya arrived, so they were not the harbinger. Shawn was the first Hockey East coach to recruit in Western Canada, which was the most significant aspect of what he developed in Orono. In reality it was Montgomery, who was from Montreal, whose father told Grant about Jean-Yves who was only being recruited by if I recall correctly, Clarkson at the time.

This was likely a typo on your part but you stated 6 Frozen Fours "Walsh’s recruiting prowess was followed by a period of sustained success, including a 4 Frozen Fours in 6 years (’88,’89, ’91, ’93) and National Titles in 1993 and 1999. " This lists only 5 but you likely meant "95 instead of "93 in the first part since you alluded to '93 later.

Finally you included Jimmy Howard as a Stanley Cup Champion, Jimmy has not won the cup. Penner has twice and Tortorella as a coach in Tampa.

So yes there were many "factual" errors. I make errors all the time, but I also happen to be someone who first broadcast at then wrote about Maine hockey starting in 1981 so I know this history better than most. I encourage you to continue to write about what you are passionate about, but at the same time urge you to check the facts before the printed word is disbursed to the public, many of who are more passionate about a team or histopry than you may be.
 
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I am assuming you are talking about the article you linked too and not in the alumni magazine? And as I reread it I see it is your own article. As someone who has written many articles in various publications I am not trying to be a pain as much of your piece was well written, but there were several factual errors or historical errors.

Let's take this paragraph

"Included in Walsh’s inaugural recruiting class was a pair of southern New England skaters, Jack Capuano (’85-’88, Salisbury, MA) and Bob Corkum (’85-’89, Warwick, RI) who were pioneers of sorts as they bucked the tradition of the famed Beanpot Schools for a trip up I-95 to the University of Maine. This resulted in several other Boston area prospects following suit – including the diminutive F- Cal Ingraham (’91-’94 – Georgetown, MA) and G- Garth Snow (’88-’93, Wrentham, MA)."

Jack and his brother David were the RI kids and Corkum was from Salisbury, that would be a factual error. Corkum was actually being recruited by BC to play football. Cal Ingraham did not "follow suit" he went to Air Force and essentially flunked out, Garth was a recruited walk on and after his freshmen year went to Ontario to play for a year before coming back, so neither spurned offers from BC or BU. And neither Jack Capuano or Corkum was a member of Shawn's first recruiting class! Mike Golden was actually the most important and first blue chip american recruit for Shawn. He had dropped or flunked out of UNH and was set to go someplace else when Shawn talked him into a visit to Maine.

Also while not a "factual error" this is not accurate as you stated "Walsh, invigorated the program by luring some top Canadian recruits…Paul Kariya, Patrice Tardif, Jean Yves Roy, etc… to Orono in what can be viewed as the true foundation of the program and a harbinger of what was to come."

The foundation of recruits from Canada for Shawn started with Al Loring, Dave Nonis, Dave Wensley and then Scott King. We were established when Roy, Tardiff (who I do not recall being a blue-chipper), and Kariya arrived, so they were not the harbinger. Shawn was the first Hockey East coach to recruit in Western Canada, which was the most significant aspect of what he developed in Orono. In reality it was Montgomery, who was from Montreal, whose father told Grant about Jean-Yves who was only being recruited by if I recall correctly, Clarkson at the time.

This was likely a typo on your part but you stated 6 Frozen Fours "Walsh’s recruiting prowess was followed by a period of sustained success, including a 4 Frozen Fours in 6 years (’88,’89, ’91, ’93) and National Titles in 1993 and 1999. " This lists only 5 but you likely meant "95 instead of "93 in the first part since you alluded to '93 later.

Finally you included Jimmy Howard as a Stanley Cup Champion, Jimmy has not won the cup. Penner has twice and Tortorella as a coach in Tampa.

So yes there were many "factual" errors. I make errors all the time, but I also happen to be someone who first broadcast at then wrote about Maine hockey starting in 1981 so I know this history better than most. I encourage you to continue to write about what you are passionate about, but at the same time urge you to check the facts before the printed word is disbursed to the public, many of who are more passionate about a team or histopry than you may be.

Thanks for the feedback..you certainly know your Maine Hockey.
 
I am assuming you are talking about the article you linked too and not in the alumni magazine? And as I reread it I see it is your own article. As someone who has written many articles in various publications I am not trying to be a pain as much of your piece was well written, but there were several factual errors or historical errors.

Let's take this paragraph

"Included in Walsh’s inaugural recruiting class was a pair of southern New England skaters, Jack Capuano (’85-’88, Salisbury, MA) and Bob Corkum (’85-’89, Warwick, RI) who were pioneers of sorts as they bucked the tradition of the famed Beanpot Schools for a trip up I-95 to the University of Maine. This resulted in several other Boston area prospects following suit – including the diminutive F- Cal Ingraham (’91-’94 – Georgetown, MA) and G- Garth Snow (’88-’93, Wrentham, MA)."

Jack and his brother David were the RI kids and Corkum was from Salisbury, that would be a factual error. Corkum was actually being recruited by BC to play football. Cal Ingraham did not "follow suit" he went to Air Force and essentially flunked out, Garth was a recruited walk on and after his freshmen year went to Ontario to play for a year before coming back, so neither spurned offers from BC or BU. And neither Jack Capuano or Corkum was a member of Shawn's first recruiting class! Mike Golden was actually the most important and first blue chip american recruit for Shawn. He had dropped or flunked out of UNH and was set to go someplace else when Shawn talked him into a visit to Maine.

Also while not a "factual error" this is not accurate as you stated "Walsh, invigorated the program by luring some top Canadian recruits…Paul Kariya, Patrice Tardif, Jean Yves Roy, etc… to Orono in what can be viewed as the true foundation of the program and a harbinger of what was to come."

The foundation of recruits from Canada for Shawn started with Al Loring, Dave Nonis, Dave Wensley and then Scott King. We were established when Roy, Tardiff (who I do not recall being a blue-chipper), and Kariya arrived, so they were not the harbinger. Shawn was the first Hockey East coach to recruit in Western Canada, which was the most significant aspect of what he developed in Orono. In reality it was Montgomery, who was from Montreal, whose father told Grant about Jean-Yves who was only being recruited by if I recall correctly, Clarkson at the time.

This was likely a typo on your part but you stated 6 Frozen Fours "Walsh’s recruiting prowess was followed by a period of sustained success, including a 4 Frozen Fours in 6 years (’88,’89, ’91, ’93) and National Titles in 1993 and 1999. " This lists only 5 but you likely meant "95 instead of "93 in the first part since you alluded to '93 later.

Finally you included Jimmy Howard as a Stanley Cup Champion, Jimmy has not won the cup. Penner has twice and Tortorella as a coach in Tampa.

So yes there were many "factual" errors. I make errors all the time, but I also happen to be someone who first broadcast at then wrote about Maine hockey starting in 1981 so I know this history better than most. I encourage you to continue to write about what you are passionate about, but at the same time urge you to check the facts before the printed word is disbursed to the public, many of who are more passionate about a team or histopry than you may be.

Thanks for the feedback..you certainly know your Maine Hockey.
 
Re: Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

I am assuming you are talking about the article you linked too and not in the alumni magazine? And as I reread it I see it is your own article. As someone who has written many articles in various publications I am not trying to be a pain as much of your piece was well written, but there were several factual errors or historical errors.

Let's take this paragraph

"Included in Walsh’s inaugural recruiting class was a pair of southern New England skaters, Jack Capuano (’85-’88, Salisbury, MA) and Bob Corkum (’85-’89, Warwick, RI) who were pioneers of sorts as they bucked the tradition of the famed Beanpot Schools for a trip up I-95 to the University of Maine. This resulted in several other Boston area prospects following suit – including the diminutive F- Cal Ingraham (’91-’94 – Georgetown, MA) and G- Garth Snow (’88-’93, Wrentham, MA)."

Jack and his brother David were the RI kids and Corkum was from Salisbury, that would be a factual error. Corkum was actually being recruited by BC to play football. Cal Ingraham did not "follow suit" he went to Air Force and essentially flunked out, Garth was a recruited walk on and after his freshmen year went to Ontario to play for a year before coming back, so neither spurned offers from BC or BU. And neither Jack Capuano or Corkum was a member of Shawn's first recruiting class! Mike Golden was actually the most important and first blue chip american recruit for Shawn. He had dropped or flunked out of UNH and was set to go someplace else when Shawn talked him into a visit to Maine.

Also while not a "factual error" this is not accurate as you stated "Walsh, invigorated the program by luring some top Canadian recruits…Paul Kariya, Patrice Tardif, Jean Yves Roy, etc… to Orono in what can be viewed as the true foundation of the program and a harbinger of what was to come."

The foundation of recruits from Canada for Shawn started with Al Loring, Dave Nonis, Dave Wensley and then Scott King. We were established when Roy, Tardiff (who I do not recall being a blue-chipper), and Kariya arrived, so they were not the harbinger. Shawn was the first Hockey East coach to recruit in Western Canada, which was the most significant aspect of what he developed in Orono. In reality it was Montgomery, who was from Montreal, whose father told Grant about Jean-Yves who was only being recruited by if I recall correctly, Clarkson at the time.

This was likely a typo on your part but you stated 6 Frozen Fours "Walsh’s recruiting prowess was followed by a period of sustained success, including a 4 Frozen Fours in 6 years (’88,’89, ’91, ’93) and National Titles in 1993 and 1999. " This lists only 5 but you likely meant "95 instead of "93 in the first part since you alluded to '93 later.

Finally you included Jimmy Howard as a Stanley Cup Champion, Jimmy has not won the cup. Penner has twice and Tortorella as a coach in Tampa.

So yes there were many "factual" errors. I make errors all the time, but I also happen to be someone who first broadcast at then wrote about Maine hockey starting in 1981 so I know this history better than most. I encourage you to continue to write about what you are passionate about, but at the same time urge you to check the facts before the printed word is disbursed to the public, many of who are more passionate about a team or histopry than you may be.

jiminy jillickers!!!
what a know it all!!!

just kidding... I emailed him privately about some of those "facts"... and I looked up Jimmy and the Stanley cup... the wings gave him a ring for that season, but his name is not on the cup. he played in the regular season, but not enough (not at all) in the playoffs to get his name on the cup.

Jimmy is a stanley cup champion, pretty much the same way that priceless won the 93 championship
 
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jiminy jillickers!!!
what a know it all!!!

just kidding... I emailed him privately about some of those "facts"... and I looked up Jimmy and the Stanley cup... the wings gave him a ring for that season, but his name is not on the cup. he played in the regular season, but not enough (not at all) in the playoffs to get his name on the cup.

Jimmy is a stanley cup champion, pretty much the same way that priceless won the 93 championship

Well it takes one to KNOW one! LOL
 
Re: Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

Another article on an incoming Maine freshman - this time, goaltender Matt Morris

http://sportswmeb.wordpress.com/2012/08/07/welcome-freshmen-part-three-matt-morris/

I for one am a little nervous about entering the year with the 3 goaltenders
Maybe Ouellette should be the one that is worried,after coming in with alot of promise...he has more or less been a non performer...he had alot of upside and after his Freshman Season you would have thought he would have gotten a taste of sitting and not liked it at all...instead he more or less has accepted that he's the #2 guy...and with that maybe he's lost his confidence...but I don't see Morris coming in and NOT WANTING to prove he can play...he may just bump #51 down to the #3 on the netminding chart. But having 3 goalies is not ideal in the long run.
 
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Got a sneak peak of Victor at the Force camp last weekend. You won't be seeing in bite/grit from him

Good skater, good hands, but skates with his head down.....

Saw lots of bad passes on his part and I lost count of the number times he was beat defensively.

Not impressed
 
Re: Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

You guys worried about three goalies being to few or too many?
Three is the norm for most programs.
Too many, generally you have 2 recruited guys and one door opener, this year we have 3 recruited guys, all looking for time which might be ok but how do you split up practice, drills etc. Do you try to keep them all in game shape? I don't believe anyone is very impressed with Tims ability to keep goalies happy with 2 let alone 3
 
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You guys worried about three goalies being to few or too many?
Three is the norm for most programs.
Yes 3 is usually the norm,but Maine has 4 netminders on the Roster to date...like you said 3 is the norm,2 regulars and the practice goalie...
 
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An article by the USHL on B.J. Salerno's trip to Moscow a few years back http://ushl.com/news.php?action=detail&news_id=1196

The Black Hawks are going to Russia in a few weeks for the Junior Club World Cup. The Tournament will have

RUS – Omskí Jastraby (MHL)
CAN – Sudbury Wolves (OHL)
SWE – Linköpings HC (J20 SuperElit)
FIN – HIFK Helsinky (Nuorten SM-Liiga)
CZE – Energia Karlove Vary (MHL)
DAN – select team
NOR – select team
BLR – Dinamo Šinnik (MHL)
LAT – HK Riga (MHL)
USA – Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)

Last year USA Hockey sent the EJHL All-Stars who had mixed results...This year they are send one of the USHL's best teams heading into the season.
 
Re: Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

Too many, generally you have 2 recruited guys and one door opener, this year we have 3 recruited guys, all looking for time which might be ok but how do you split up practice, drills etc. Do you try to keep them all in game shape? I don't believe anyone is very impressed with Tims ability to keep goalies happy with 2 let alone 3

Dont ask 5hole to count. Aint happening. :D
 
Re: Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

Potential UMaine target Noah Zilbert will be attending Saint John Sea Dogs training camp that starts later this month. From the press release it doesn't sound like he has committed to play major junior, but I will see if I can get confirmation. The key number is 48, the number of hours the NCAA allows players to attend major junior training camps and still keep eligibility. After that the eligibility issue becomes tricky.
 
Re: Maine Recruit Updates: Monarchs and More......

Too many, generally you have 2 recruited guys and one door opener, this year we have 3 recruited guys, all looking for time which might be ok but how do you split up practice, drills etc. Do you try to keep them all in game shape? I don't believe anyone is very impressed with Tims ability to keep goalies happy with 2 let alone 3

Last time Maine had 3 recruited goalies one of 'em wound up in the MASCAC. Or ECAC East whichever one New England College is in. :mad:
 
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Last time Maine had 3 recruited goalies one of 'em wound up in the MASCAC. Or ECAC East whichever one New England College is in. :mad:

March 31, 2011 : "Maine head coach Tim Whitehead said Sirman, who is a sophomore, has been cut from the program because he wants to give Dan Sullivan and Martin Ouellette “more ice time in practice and in games in order to develop.”"
 
March 31, 2011 : "Maine head coach Tim Whitehead said Sirman, who is a sophomore, has been cut from the program because he wants to give Dan Sullivan and Martin Ouellette “more ice time in practice and in games in order to develop.”"

I don't think having three is ideal but as someone who lived through the Dave Wilson era I sure as hell don't want to see us caught out again and have one. The head coaches are kind of put in impossible situations nowadays, look at what BU is going through at the minute with Patrick Roy raiding their team.
 
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