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Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

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I don't know if the players like Tim or not but I can't imagine they like losing. I also can't imagine a guy like Nemec being told to poke check rather than standing a guy up. I don't watch much NHL but DMEN still stand folks up in that league, don't they? I don't see how that's developing a guy for the next level. Maybe Development shouldn't be the goal but it certainly has been in the past and I'll guarantee it is at other schools
 
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Priceless said:
That's a pretty good list. I would add Michigan State and Tech to the academic schools and if you're going to say Omaha is a hockey school, you should probably do the same for Duluth.
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It was done in a few minutes without a tremendous amount of thought. If you add those schools to the academic list, others must come off since "47 of the 68 who went on to play college hockey chose academically-elite schools."
 
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UncleRay said:
It was done in a few minutes without a tremendous amount of thought. If you add those schools to the academic list, others must come off since "47 of the 68 who went on to play college hockey chose academically-elite schools."
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I think he was only counting the ones who went to college this year, not the commits in 2013-14 because that list has 78 kids (and 2 were still undecided at press time). There are 15 recruits on that list for 2013, plus one for 2014. I am not going to bother looking up where the two undecideds went, but even if you count them it's only 64. So I have no idea where he drew his "47 of 68" from.
 
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GoBlackBears said:
How many people will bother to show up on Friday? I'm thinking 3000 at the most.
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I think the rest of the season you'll see under 4000 per game...and the one to watch will be when UML comes in on a Sunday afternoon(2pm)which is Super Bowl Sunday,could be under 3000 that afternoon.
 
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DoubleA said:
That's all fine. Even commendable. I agree that's probably the best way to communicate to this advisory board.

Townsend is the chair of an advisory committee that hopefully has no say about anything. He wrote a guest column in the Kennebec Journal with the preposterous position that "Whitehead and his staff are exactly the coaches we want at Maine:...." I'm not sure how Corkum and the staff feel about the notion of being lumped in with Whitehead. If "we" is the Athletic Advisory Board, he's probably right. If "we" is the fanbase, the UMaine alumni, or the general population of the State of Maine, he's absolutely wrong.

Do you think for a minute that the magnet of an elite power house Div 1 hockey team only drew top quality hockey players to Orono? Think again.

The Maine Hockey Program is an asset to the University and to the State. It is a point of pride. You don't sell, compromise, destroy or ruin assets at any cost ever, unless absolutely unavoidable. And this, friends, is avoidable.
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Amen........GREAT post!
 
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Priceless said:
I think he was only counting the ones who went to college this year, not the commits in 2013-14 because that list has 78 kids (and 2 were still undecided at press time). There are 15 recruits on that list for 2013, plus one for 2014. I am not going to bother looking up where the two undecideds went, but even if you count them it's only 64. So I have no idea where he drew his "47 of 68" from.
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Apparently I have a counting problem. I still get 68 names on that USCHO list you linked.
Ma#1ne Hky said:
I think the rest of the season you'll see under 4000 per game...and the one to watch will be when UML comes in on a Sunday afternoon(2pm)which is Super Bowl Sunday,could be under 3000 that afternoon.
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If the Pats win next week, I don't think Maine breaks 2000 for the game on Super Bowl Sunday unless they give tickets to students.
 
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I've found a home for our UML tix, going to a couple of folks who aren't football fans.
 
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UncleRay said:
Apparently I have a counting problem. I still get 68 names on that USCHO list you linked.
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I'll assume your numbers are correct since I was posting at 2 in the morning while watching a tennis match from Australia. I still don't see his point, but that's a different matter.

The Super Bowl Sunday game was originally scheduled for 7PM. Love to know who thought that was a good idea.
 
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I believe his point was something along the lines of "since NHL-drafted hockey players make their college decision based on academics - see: 47 of 68 players chose academically-elite institutions - Maine should be evaluating their coach not on wins and losses, but on the team's GPA." I call BS, and believe that academics has something to do with some athletes' decision, the hockey culture of potential schools has far more to do with the decision. So I made quick guesses at "academically-elite" and "hockey-elite" and found that there is no statistical difference between them. And that the overlap between the two lists is very large for the sample size.
 
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Priceless said:
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The Super Bowl Sunday game was originally scheduled for 7PM. Love to know who thought that was a good idea.
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probably Tim, less people to see his team lose once again
 
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UncleRay said:
I believe his point was something along the lines of "since NHL-drafted hockey players make their college decision based on academics - see: 47 of 68 players chose academically-elite institutions - Maine should be evaluating their coach not on wins and losses, but on the team's GPA." I call BS, and believe that academics has something to do with some athletes' decision, the hockey culture of potential schools has far more to do with the decision. So I made quick guesses at "academically-elite" and "hockey-elite" and found that there is no statistical difference between them. And that the overlap between the two lists is very large for the sample size.
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I think his list and your list differ because, for example, Vermont's Zemgus Girgensons changed his mind and went pro rather than go to the NCAA. He's still listed as Vermont's recruit on both the USCHO and NHL websites. Anyway, his point is valid to a point, but most kids who are drafted are going to choose the best fit for them based on hockey, not academics. Of course it's always nice to tell Mom that the school you're going to has a strong academic record... "They have a really great engineering program...(which I'll never see because I'll be taking business administration)."
 
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Priceless said:
I think his list and your list differ because, for example, Vermont's Zemgus Girgensons changed his mind and went pro rather than go to the NCAA. He's still listed as Vermont's recruit on both the USCHO and NHL websites. Anyway, his point is valid to a point, but most kids who are drafted are going to choose the best fit for them based on hockey, not academics. Of course it's always nice to tell Mom that the school you're going to has a strong academic record... "They have a really great engineering program...(which I'll never see because I'll be taking business administration)."
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I think you're contradicting yourself. I hear him saying that kids make the decision based on academics. You and I believe that it is on athletics. The fact that so many schools overlap both lists allows a kid to pick based on athletics, but tell mom it is due to academics.
 
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I just looked at the remaining games on the home schedule. Outside of the series v Northeastern, I don't see any good opportunities for a win at the Alfond. I can't beleive it, but there's a good chance this team could go an entire year without a win at home.

Can Priceless put on his TW smaaahht kid analytics lid on and tell the group the last time a HE team went winless at home over the course of an entire season?
 
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UncleRay said:
I think you're contradicting yourself. I hear him saying that kids make the decision based on academics. You and I believe that it is on athletics. The fact that so many schools overlap both lists allows a kid to pick based on athletics, but tell mom it is due to academics.
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There's plenty of schools where you get both. Maine isn't one.

Captain said:
I just looked at the remaining games on the home schedule. Outside of the series v Northeastern, I don't see any good opportunities for a win at the Alfond. I can't beleive it, but there's a good chance this team could go an entire year without a win at home.

Can Priceless put on his TW smaaahht kid analytics lid on and tell the group the last time a HE team went winless at home over the course of an entire season?
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Without looking it up, I think that would be Merrimack or UMass, but I'm not sure without checking. If I feel bored later I'll check the Hockey East site.
 
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sandiegoblkbr said:
Amen........GREAT post!
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Thanks for that. Now on to unfinished business: The question I posed of you yesterday...

Do you know the connection between Whitehead and Ted Alfond? You eluded to it yesterday. Do you have any specifics or have a clue as to why Ted would support and back TW after TW has wasted hundreds of thousands of $$$ of Alfond's generosity? Priceless did not know any specifics and I said 'sandiegoblkbr, over to you'.
 
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Bet UML get the worst of that deal on Super Bowl Sunday,having to travel home after the Hockey East game...plus common sense by any League,that on Super Bowl Sunday: NO GAMES...more or less now a days the Super Bowl is a Holiday to most,even the people who care less about NFL Football.
 
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