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Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

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Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

I didn't say "home games", dumbass. And yes, there are 4-5 games that Maine can still win on this season. They've got one each with PC, Lowell and Vermont, and a pair each with Northeastern and UMass. That's seven games where they have a shot at winning, not saying they will. But yeah, they might be able to win five of those.

The games against BC, UNH, BU and Merrimack I'm writing off.
That is not very nice Rufus. You are correct though, you said the rest of the schedule, not home games. Big whoop. The entire rest of the regular season is H.E. league games. We are the worst team in Hockey East (I can't even believe I just had to write that) and have a poor chance of winning five more games, period. So let's be about solutions, not problems. Here's one solution... Get rid of Whitehead NOW! Let Corkum run with this team for the rest of the season.
 
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But that's TIMMAY's "system". Everything goes back to the points for the defensemen to shoot. Everyone knows it. You wonder why so many shots get blocked?

And the D isn't allowed to take a contested shot from the point, because a blocked shot could instantly result in an odd-man... Which is also a valid argument.

There is logic there on either side of the equation to be sure... The real problem is that Timmy can't recruit/coach the talent necessary to pull-off any successful game plan, more often than not.
 
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Without looking it up, I think that would be Merrimack or UMass, but I'm not sure without checking. If I feel bored later I'll check the Hockey East site.

Merrimack has not gone winless at home since at least 1997-1998, the first year for which USCHO keeps full records.

Their worst year in recent history, Dennehy's second as coach in 2006-2007, where they won only three league contests. One of those wins was at home, against UMass-Amherst.

Looking in the media guide for years before that, 1994-95 was pretty lean, with only two league wins at home (Amherst and BC) but there was always at least one or two league wins at home going back to 1989-1990 when the school joined the league. Amherst and Northeastern seem to be the usual victims over the years.

In 2004-2005, their worst year in league play, they won only one game all year-- but it was at home, and also against UMass-Amherst. That stands as the league record for fewest wins in a year, as well as the longest losing (20) and longest winless (25) streaks in league play, and the longest losing and winless streaks at home in league play (13 games).

I think no HEA team has ever gone winless at home in league play. There's no league record to indicate it. However, given that MC owns the record for fewest wins as well as the longest losing and winless streaks in league play, but still managed to have a one-win season with that one win coming at home, it seems unlikely. I'm not sure how a team could manage to lose all of its home league games in a single season without breaking MC's longest winless home streak of 13 games.

(Incidentally, Maine's 92-93 team holds the winning, unbeaten, and road winning and road unbeaten streaks in league play.)

An interesting thing to note about coaching changes in general. While Coach Dennehy at Merrimack has certainly had the best seasons of any Merrimack coach in Hockey East in the past three seasons (.476 now, .581 last season, .692 the season before) he also had three of the worst in his first three seasons (.147, .250 and .132). As a result, his overall win percentage of .390 is only slightly higher than his predecessor, Chris Serino (.356), about whom rumors of student-athlete mutiny swirled before his replacement, much as they do around Coach Whitehead now. Dennehy's average is almost identical to Serino's predecessor, Coach Anderson, whose career mark overall was .506 and in HE league play was .392.

The difference is consistency. Both Serino and Anderson's win percentages never exceeded .500 in any given season, nor dropped below .300. Dennehy had some very rough years at first but has two years above .500 to his credit.

It makes me think that there is some logic to the boom-and-bust type of recruiting cycle that Coach McDonald instituted at Lowell; that schools that cannot predictably and reliably get enough blue chip recruits every season to just reload and continue, like BC, BU and UNH, need to try and stack the deck once every four years with all their strong recruits to concentrate talented players and experience.

I have no idea if Coach Dennehy or Coach Whitehead have explicitly embraced such strategies in their own recruiting. I do wonder, though, if consistent mediocrity irks some fanbases more than having a some truly terrible seasons punctuated every once in awhile with some seasons with much better results.

TL;DR version: Probably too early to be thinking Maine goes winless at home just yet, but if they do, they'll have to break some Merrimack records to do it.
 
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Whitehead does not have the personality, vision or track record to get blue chip recruits.......period.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

Whitehead does not have the personality, vision or track record to get blue chip recruits.......period.

Right. It was Standbrook who brought in Hobey Hat Trick finalists like Nyquist and Abbott.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

Right. It was Standbrook who brought in Hobey Hat Trick finalists like Nyquist and Abbott.

Can you imagine a coach with that kind of talent and doing absolutely nothing with it? Nyquist never even made it to the NCAA's. Abbott barely squeaked in and then got blasted out in the first game. Totally embarrassing to the program.
 
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Can you imagine a coach with that kind of talent and doing absolutely nothing with it? Nyquist never even made it to the NCAA's. Abbott barely squeaked in and then got blasted out in the first game. Totally embarrassing to the program.

I don't have to imagine it. His name is Red Berensen and he coaches at Michigan. He really should have put together a resume like Jerry York's by now, but his resume looks like Dick Umile's (with one notable exception).

Shawn and Grant were a one in a million coaching staff. If you expect to see their equal behind the bench at Maine you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Even when the next coach gets here.
 
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I don't have to imagine it. His name is Red Berensen and he coaches at Michigan. He really should have put together a resume like Jerry York's by now, but his resume looks like Dick Umile's (with one notable exception).

Shawn and Grant were a one in a million coaching staff. If you expect to see their equal behind the bench at Maine you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Even when the next coach gets here.

Berenesens senile. So what. He's over the hill. I'm almost tempted to say whats wrong with a Umile type guy, but his history in big games speaks for itself. No, Walsh and Standbrook were special and I doubt anyone here expects that kind of repeat performance but there sure are less stellar possibilities much more palatable to Maine fans than what Whitehead has cobbled together. Like I've always said, if evereyone is happy with mediocre, then he's the guy....unless of course you look at this season and he's the friggin caboose in HE.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

My perception of the many posts made on this forum by Maine hockey fans is this. If Maine does not compete at the same level as during the Walsh - Standbrook era, then it is totally unacceptable. They expect Maine to be in the semi-final or championship game of Frozen Four play every year and win National Championship every 5 - 6 years. Admirable goals ( no pun intended) and probably the same for the fans of every other team.;)
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

My perception of the many posts made on this forum by Maine hockey fans is this. If Maine does not compete at the same level as during the Walsh - Standbrook era, then it is totally unacceptable. They expect Maine to be in the semi-final or championship game of Frozen Four play every year and win National Championship every 5 - 6 years. Admirable goals ( no pun intended) and probably the same for the fans of every other team.;)

No, I disagree entirely with this
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

I don't have to imagine it. His name is Red Berensen and he coaches at Michigan. He really should have put together a resume like Jerry York's by now, but his resume looks like Dick Umile's (with one notable exception).

Shawn and Grant were a one in a million coaching staff. If you expect to see their equal behind the bench at Maine you're setting yourself up for disappointment. Even when the next coach gets here.

I expect the next coach to be closer to Walsh than Whitehead.........meaning, someone with a plan that progresses the program to the point where an NCAA berth is a possibility most seasons (like UNH).
 
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Berenesens senile. So what. He's over the hill. I'm almost tempted to say whats wrong with a Umile type guy, but his history in big games speaks for itself. No, Walsh and Standbrook were special and I doubt anyone here expects that kind of repeat performance but there sure are less stellar possibilities much more palatable to Maine fans than what Whitehead has cobbled together. Like I've always said, if evereyone is happy with mediocre, then he's the guy....unless of course you look at this season and he's the friggin caboose in HE.

Umile gets his teams to the NCAAs.........despite the choke jobs, UNH is consistently good. Whitehead has had a few choke jobs as well. And Whitehead is no longer "mediocre"........he just plain "sucks".
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

My perception of the many posts made on this forum by Maine hockey fans is this. If Maine does not compete at the same level as during the Walsh - Standbrook era, then it is totally unacceptable. They expect Maine to be in the semi-final or championship game of Frozen Four play every year and win National Championship every 5 - 6 years. Admirable goals ( no pun intended) and probably the same for the fans of every other team.;)

No......we expect to get to the into the NCAAs again.........someday.
 
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I expect Maine to be in the NCAA's every year. Win a HE regular season title every three or four years, or a tourney title. Make it to the final four every 2-3 years, with a legitimate shot at winning it all when they get there. After that, a lot of it comes down to luck.

Unsurprisingly, TIMMAY fails on even acheiving the first.
 
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A while back Clarkson and Maine had some of the top winning percentages in the country.

Sad to say, they have identical 0.310 winning percentages, with only AIC, Alaska-Anchorage and Sacred Heart being worse. Yikes!
 
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I expect the next coach to be closer to Walsh than Whitehead.........meaning, someone with a plan that progresses the program to the point where an NCAA berth is a possibility most seasons (like UNH).

The way I look at it, the coach's job is to get the program into the NCAA's nearly every year. From there, it's a crapshoot. It's not exactly a 1/16 chance for every team to win a title, but it's not a whole lot worse. Some of Maine's Frozen Four appearances, Maine was certainly not a top-4 team in the nation ('06-'07: 23-15-2). Some of Maine's pre-Frozen Four exits, Maine was certainly a top-4 team ('89-'90, '91-'92). That's just how the cookie crumbles, some times it will crumble your way, some times it won't.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

Beginning next year Maine will be in the Hockey East tournament regardless of their record and will have a chance to win a conference title. Maine could have home ice by finishing no lower than 8th in 11 team conference. Not really a fan of this change, but I believe every other conference allows all teams to qualify for league title.
 
Re: Maine 2012 - Take 2. If This Ain't the Bottom...

Will they give out "Participant" trophies, too?

Beginning next year Maine will be in the Hockey East tournament regardless of their record and will have a chance to win a conference title. Maine could have home ice by finishing no lower than 8th in 11 team conference. Not really a fan of this change, but I believe every other conference allows all teams to qualify for league title.
 
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