I think attendance is why he goes. I think Priceless is right that the university looks at a lot of factors and I just don't think they'll be able to live with horrible attendance. It costs them a lot of money and is hugely embarrassing when you see games on tv with the place half full. A good team GPA only goes so far.
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Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
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I think attendance is why he goes. I think Priceless is right that the university looks at a lot of factors and I just don't think they'll be able to live with horrible attendance. It costs them a lot of money and is hugely embarrassing when you see games on tv with the place half full. A good team GPA only goes so far.
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Priceless
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Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Why on earth would the athletic department tell you that? They'll tell you they expect him to turn it around next year and ask you to renew your season tickets and donate to the travel fund.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
I guess it would be suicide but thats what I'm going to take from it if he stays beyond one year
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
How much is a teams GPA a result of the hockey coach? I find it hard to believe Timmay has much influence on that....I would guess the assistants are in charge of minor details like attending classes and all that silly stuff.
How much is a teams GPA a result of the hockey coach? I find it hard to believe Timmay has much influence on that....I would guess the assistants are in charge of minor details like attending classes and all that silly stuff.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Kerlukes wife is the person that helps the players stay up on academics
sandiegoblkbr
Banned
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Agreed........except the last part. I think that Whitehead gets a 3 year extension over the summer. He deserves it!
Agreed........except the last part. I think that Whitehead gets a 3 year extension over the summer. He deserves it!
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
That's why it's important to have standards.
I think the team will rebound next season, too. Frankly, it shouldn't be hard to rebound from an 11-win season. Where the picture gets muddled is if the team improves noticeably on this season, but still fails to earn home ice in HEA, and still fails to earn an NCAA berth. In other words, Maine could win 19 games next season, and the staff could point to that as clear evidence of dramatic improvement (nearly doubling the win total from this season). And in one sense, they'd be right.
I'll repeat what I posted earlier -- forget me. I'm nobody. Nobody should care what will satisfy me. But everyone should care what the staff will be satisfied with. And if they're satisfied with rebounding from a poor season to a mediocre one, I think it's fair to say that they no longer have the passion or drive to be running the program.
That's why it's important to have standards.
I think the team will rebound next season, too. Frankly, it shouldn't be hard to rebound from an 11-win season. Where the picture gets muddled is if the team improves noticeably on this season, but still fails to earn home ice in HEA, and still fails to earn an NCAA berth. In other words, Maine could win 19 games next season, and the staff could point to that as clear evidence of dramatic improvement (nearly doubling the win total from this season). And in one sense, they'd be right.
I'll repeat what I posted earlier -- forget me. I'm nobody. Nobody should care what will satisfy me. But everyone should care what the staff will be satisfied with. And if they're satisfied with rebounding from a poor season to a mediocre one, I think it's fair to say that they no longer have the passion or drive to be running the program.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
I can see any of those guys being interested, except for Leaman. I have no insight into his personal life, but on the surface, he's in his second year at PC, seems to have just landed a great freshman class with a very promising future, is probably paid pretty well seeing that he's employed by a private institution that had to lure him from Union, and they're in the midst of upgrading their facilities in a major way. And you gotta think it's going to be easier for him to sell recruits on the virtues of Providence vs. the underrated rustic charm that is the Downeast. Foxy Lady vs. Pat's Pizza?? I think you can cross Leaman off that list.
I can see any of those guys being interested, except for Leaman. I have no insight into his personal life, but on the surface, he's in his second year at PC, seems to have just landed a great freshman class with a very promising future, is probably paid pretty well seeing that he's employed by a private institution that had to lure him from Union, and they're in the midst of upgrading their facilities in a major way. And you gotta think it's going to be easier for him to sell recruits on the virtues of Providence vs. the underrated rustic charm that is the Downeast. Foxy Lady vs. Pat's Pizza?? I think you can cross Leaman off that list.
AMC
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Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Riddle me this:
One of the "these guys are doing the best they can!" puff pieces in the BDN mentioned that all Maine athletic teams took a 5% budget hit this past year. Should the U be re-evaluating what sports it offers? There aren't many schools Maine's size that offer football and basketball and hockey and baseball. There also aren't many schools Maine's size that have so little success athletically.
Seems to me there may be a correlation there.
Riddle me this:
One of the "these guys are doing the best they can!" puff pieces in the BDN mentioned that all Maine athletic teams took a 5% budget hit this past year. Should the U be re-evaluating what sports it offers? There aren't many schools Maine's size that offer football and basketball and hockey and baseball. There also aren't many schools Maine's size that have so little success athletically.
Seems to me there may be a correlation there.
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Another possible factor could be, if what I am hearing is true, is that there is still a LOT of hockey being played outside of UMaine. IF you were bringing in someone who may or may not be coaching a team going deeper into their season and/or their playoff season, you would not want to announce that coach and risk his current crop of players finding out they are losing their coach prior to the end of their season, especially if the search/hire of this coach was all done on the hush-hush. Just sayin'.
This sort of scenario would allow for an "in-depth" review of the program that takes longer than it took when they looked at Women's hoops...tho that one was pretty obvious.
And, Unc...to answer your query...I am gullable like the bass you take twice on the same afternoon with the same lure, in the same spot. Just can't help myself, sometimes.
Another possible factor could be, if what I am hearing is true, is that there is still a LOT of hockey being played outside of UMaine. IF you were bringing in someone who may or may not be coaching a team going deeper into their season and/or their playoff season, you would not want to announce that coach and risk his current crop of players finding out they are losing their coach prior to the end of their season, especially if the search/hire of this coach was all done on the hush-hush. Just sayin'.
This sort of scenario would allow for an "in-depth" review of the program that takes longer than it took when they looked at Women's hoops...tho that one was pretty obvious.
And, Unc...to answer your query...I am gullable like the bass you take twice on the same afternoon with the same lure, in the same spot. Just can't help myself, sometimes.
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
not just that, I do not believe that the University will announce that Timmy is being fired before the end of the year banquet. There cannot be a good reason for embarrassing him before he gets to congratulate the team on the turn around.
while it would allow people a chance to say good bye and good luck, I think it would be more of a kick in the gut and as much as I think he is a micromanager and a difficult person, I do not think he deserves a slap in the face.
of course he DID tell Marshall once, the night before the banquet that he was not invited back the next season, only to recant and beg him to return due to defections and others decommitting.
Another possible factor could be, if what I am hearing is true, is that there is still a LOT of hockey being played outside of UMaine. .
not just that, I do not believe that the University will announce that Timmy is being fired before the end of the year banquet. There cannot be a good reason for embarrassing him before he gets to congratulate the team on the turn around.
while it would allow people a chance to say good bye and good luck, I think it would be more of a kick in the gut and as much as I think he is a micromanager and a difficult person, I do not think he deserves a slap in the face.
of course he DID tell Marshall once, the night before the banquet that he was not invited back the next season, only to recant and beg him to return due to defections and others decommitting.
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
The coach has a direct affect on the team's GPA. He has the final say on the recruits, I think he weighs both academic and hockey performance when making his decision (along with other personal characteristics). I don't know this, but in my opinion if Tim has a fault it would be that he places a greater emphasis on academics. I stayed for the post game senior night ceremony and almost every player acknowledged and thanked Chrissy Kerluke for all of her hard work in helping them academically.
The coach has a direct affect on the team's GPA. He has the final say on the recruits, I think he weighs both academic and hockey performance when making his decision (along with other personal characteristics). I don't know this, but in my opinion if Tim has a fault it would be that he places a greater emphasis on academics. I stayed for the post game senior night ceremony and almost every player acknowledged and thanked Chrissy Kerluke for all of her hard work in helping them academically.
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
I think this is a major factor. Academic institutions do not like adverse publicity that reflects badly on their school. When making changes from known quantities their is an element of risk. There are times when the risk is warranted.
I think this is a major factor. Academic institutions do not like adverse publicity that reflects badly on their school. When making changes from known quantities their is an element of risk. There are times when the risk is warranted.
sandiegoblkbr
Banned
sandiegoblkbr
Banned
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Seems like UMaine started making bad hires and decisions during the past decade........back in the 90s, they had a string of good hires. Of course that was back in the days when candidates were vetted and invited to campus to meet stakeholders, fans, and local media. These days, seems like hires are done behind closed doors and next to nothing is publicly known until a hiring announcement has been made. That really hasn't worked too well in Orono IMO.
Seems like UMaine started making bad hires and decisions during the past decade........back in the 90s, they had a string of good hires. Of course that was back in the days when candidates were vetted and invited to campus to meet stakeholders, fans, and local media. These days, seems like hires are done behind closed doors and next to nothing is publicly known until a hiring announcement has been made. That really hasn't worked too well in Orono IMO.
sandiegoblkbr
Banned
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
Back to this........no way that UMaine with its lack of $$$$, facilities, and quality in-state football recruits.........should be sponsoring a D-1 football program. It pains me to say that because I really enjoy football Saturdays in Orono. All of the $$$$ should be flowing into hockey and basketball........2 sports that UMaine COULD be bringing in major revenue. With hoops looking like they have a terrific new home in the Cross Insurance Center.........the time is right to get serious about these 2 programs.........instead of what looks like Abbott & Co. continuing to spin their wheels. I just don't get it..........
OK........back to the kool-aid and happy thoughts.
Give Coach Whitehead an extension.......he deserves it!
Back to this........no way that UMaine with its lack of $$$$, facilities, and quality in-state football recruits.........should be sponsoring a D-1 football program. It pains me to say that because I really enjoy football Saturdays in Orono. All of the $$$$ should be flowing into hockey and basketball........2 sports that UMaine COULD be bringing in major revenue. With hoops looking like they have a terrific new home in the Cross Insurance Center.........the time is right to get serious about these 2 programs.........instead of what looks like Abbott & Co. continuing to spin their wheels. I just don't get it..........
OK........back to the kool-aid and happy thoughts.
Give Coach Whitehead an extension.......he deserves it!
AMC
Registered User
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
The hockey team could have a perfect 4.0 GPA and spend every Sunday morning helping at the Soup Kitchen, and the perception of the team as a bunch of scumbags will still persist as long as Whitehead aids and abets the Joey Diamonds of the world. Why doesn't having a guy who obliterated the league record for penalty minutes count against Whitehead as much as good grades counts for him? The kid was the captain and the face of the team, and he was an embarrassment.
The hockey team could have a perfect 4.0 GPA and spend every Sunday morning helping at the Soup Kitchen, and the perception of the team as a bunch of scumbags will still persist as long as Whitehead aids and abets the Joey Diamonds of the world. Why doesn't having a guy who obliterated the league record for penalty minutes count against Whitehead as much as good grades counts for him? The kid was the captain and the face of the team, and he was an embarrassment.
Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
OK, let's just say Montgomery is Maine's top choice. My only point is that he very well may turn out to be a better coach than whoever BC/BU hires, but Montgomery still won't even be looked at by either school. He won't even be in the pool of candidates. Not because he might not be a great coach, but because each of those schools will be looking for someone with ties to the program.
OK, let's just say Montgomery is Maine's top choice. My only point is that he very well may turn out to be a better coach than whoever BC/BU hires, but Montgomery still won't even be looked at by either school. He won't even be in the pool of candidates. Not because he might not be a great coach, but because each of those schools will be looking for someone with ties to the program.
P
Priceless
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Re: Maine 2012-2013 Fade to Black
In order to remain D-I the school must offer at the least either 7 sports each for men and seven for women or six for men and eight for women. Right now the university offers 7 male sports and 8 female sports. Bear in mind that if you cut a woman's sport you have to take Title IX into account (hello football). As I recall, the Stephen and Tabitha King Swim Team is paid for in perpetuity thanks to a donation they gave back when I was a student, so you'd actually be losing about $230K by cutting those. Track & Field? That would net you $225K after revenues and expenses are totaled, but women's track is 75% Maine kids and men's track is 67% Mainers. Besides, if we cut both Maine falls below the D-I threshold. Men's Cross Country is only 42% Maine kids so they can be axed. Expenses aren't reported so who knows how many untold thousands can be saved. Problem solved. You can make the announcement.
In order to remain D-I the school must offer at the least either 7 sports each for men and seven for women or six for men and eight for women. Right now the university offers 7 male sports and 8 female sports. Bear in mind that if you cut a woman's sport you have to take Title IX into account (hello football). As I recall, the Stephen and Tabitha King Swim Team is paid for in perpetuity thanks to a donation they gave back when I was a student, so you'd actually be losing about $230K by cutting those. Track & Field? That would net you $225K after revenues and expenses are totaled, but women's track is 75% Maine kids and men's track is 67% Mainers. Besides, if we cut both Maine falls below the D-I threshold. Men's Cross Country is only 42% Maine kids so they can be axed. Expenses aren't reported so who knows how many untold thousands can be saved. Problem solved. You can make the announcement.