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LSSU Hockey 2012-2013

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PerkyforPrez said:
McKay seems to be the type of player the Lakers like to go after ( hard working blue collar seems to have developed well in juniors ) from reading what his junior coach said in his assesment of him. I have no problem with them type of players they are very important pieces to any good team even in the pros, but it sure would be nice to see the next Rolston come down the pipe.

I think the coach's have recruited well for the Lakers don't get me wrong just MHO.
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If he is a good strong skater, I'm fine with getting him. I think size isn't as important as it was in the past. If you put a big hit on someone in today's NCAA game, you're probably going to get called for a penalty. The way the refs are calling the game has changed. I think skating ability (speed) is a lot more important than size these days. You want players who are excellent skaters, play with grit and toughness (regardless of size), and are strong on the puck. Size is more important on defense than at forward.
 
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Bill, I agree 100 percent. The refs see any kind of hard hit and more times then not it is anything from charging to holding. Yes i remember a hard hit that was called holding, go figure.
 
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Ok, so we have two D men and two forwards committed for next year. Do we know if the goalie is coming in as well?
 
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NewLakerfan said:
Ok, so we have two D men and two forwards committed for next year. Do we know if the goalie is coming in as well?
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Has the D man who visited just over a week ago verbally committed yet? Nothing to indicate that has shown up on the Heisenberg or College Hockey Inc recruit web sites. I don't think his Junior team has made an announcement yet either. Did you hear locally that he was going to commit? Roque likes to have 8 D on the roster, so even if this D kid that visited last weekend has (or will) commit, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to get 1 more D for next season.

I think the coaches want Marble to play one more season of Juniors, perhaps with the Eagles as Lakers2Glory has indicated. Whether Marble wants to do that I don't know, but playing for the Eagles would make sense since he could start school at LSSU at the same time. At some point they have an overloaded goalie situation to deal with unless one or more of the current goalies leave. Kapalka, Murdock and Ravn are still on the team and have 2 more years of eligibility. Either next season or the one after, it looks like Marble will also be on the scene.
 
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aparch said:
Frank's system? You mean Jim Roque maintained Frank's system throughout the 2005-06 season, and continued to use it in 2006-07?

Frank had four years to get to double digits in league wins in his second go-around. In his first stint, it only took him to the second year to achieve what Bill Selman imploded. There was no improvement in his second go around, just stagnation.

Pretty sure Roque's system is what got that team to the Joe. What's happened since then? I don't know.
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Exit Joey Shawhan.
 
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Bill said:
Please elaborate.
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Sorry Bill I was commenting on the quote by aparch.

I was supporting his statement that Coach Roque's system was what got the team to the Joe in his second year as coach. Then I was offering an opinion as to his question of what happened since then. I think what has happened since then is that Joey Shawhan left. I think that had an impact. Some probably think not so much but I think the Lakers have better players than they did when Coach Roque took over and I think most agree. So why the results? Two of the coaches have not changed and one has from the team that won over twenty games in Coach Roque's first year and earned a trip to Joe Louis Arena in Coach Roque's second year.
I think the big difference is that Joey Shawhan left. Had he stayed I think Coach Roque would have a much better record than he does. I also think the addition of Doug LaPrade this year had a positive impact. Just an opinion, not intended to start trouble.
 
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DM2SM said:
Sorry Bill I was commenting on the quote by aparch.

I was supporting his statement that Coach Roque's system was what got the team to the Joe in his second year as coach. Then I was offering an opinion as to his question of what happened since then. I think what has happened since then is that Joey Shawhan left. I think that had an impact. Some probably think not so much but I think the Lakers have better players than they did when Coach Roque took over and I think most agree. So why the results? Two of the coaches have not changed and one has from the team that won over twenty games in Coach Roque's first year and earned a trip to Joe Louis Arena in Coach Roque's second year.
I think the big difference is that Joey Shawhan left. Had he stayed I think Coach Roque would have a much better record than he does. I also think the addition of Doug LaPrade this year had a positive impact. Just an opinion, not intended to start trouble.
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I was trying to get an idea of in what way you think the loss of Joe Shawhan has impacted the program. Since he was there for only 3 of the 7 years Jim Roque has been head coach, I gather that you think he was contributing more from the coaching standpoint than the recruiting standpoint. I agree that the Lakers talent level has been slowly increasing, but since Joe has been gone for 3 seasons now, I don't think we can attribute the continuing increase in talent principally to him. Although I don't know exactly why Roque didn't renew Joe's contract, I assume it was due to a difference in coaching philosophy and/or a personality conflict.
 
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Bill said:
I was trying to get an idea of in what way you think the loss of Joe Shawhan has impacted the program. Since he was there for only 3 of the 7 years Jim Roque has been head coach, I gather that you think he was contributing more from the coaching standpoint than the recruiting standpoint. I agree that the Lakers talent level has been slowly increasing, but since Joe has been gone for 3 seasons now, I don't think we can attribute the continuing increase in talent principally to him. Although I don't know exactly why Roque didn't renew Joe's contract, I assume it was due to a difference in coaching philosophy and/or a personality conflict.
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Sorry again Bill. Since you and I are the only ones on here I would be better off to just call you with my comments. Obviously I am not very good at this stuff. Maybe I should give up.
Let me try to be specific. You probably know as well as I do that the players thought the world of Joey and believed in him as a coach. They have not finished as high in the standings or made Joe Louis since he left. I am completely talking about the product on the ice.

I have no comment on the recruiting other than that my feeling is that the players have gotten better each year under Jim Roque but the performance stays nearly the same as does their place in the standings. I don't want to open that can of worms because if I say the assistant coaches that have worked for Jim Roque are better recruiters than Frank Anzalone had then that means I am saying that Jim Roque did not recruit well for Frank. i think the players come to play for the head coach not the assistants so I'll give Coach Roque credit for the recruiting. not Joey Shawhan or any other assistant coach. He deserves that. Does that clear things up?
 
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I still think the success the Lakers had in the first two years under Roque is mostly due to Jakaitis. Didn't they go winless in the first 13 CCHA games during Joey's third and final season at LSSU?
 
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Laker Dude said:
I still think the success the Lakers had in the first two years under Roque is mostly due to Jakaitis. Didn't they go winless in the first 13 CCHA games during Joey's third and final season at LSSU?
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I'll give you that. I see how this stuff works. I was Just answering a comment with an opinion. Nobody posted for over a week and I was catching up and thought it would be a good time to try this. Have always wanted to. Let me answer your comment though. First of all, I am not trying to start a coaching change topic. I go to watch the team not the coach. I understand why people would want a change and I understand why the administration would not. I am fine with how things are. my expectations are not high. If a decision was made to try and upgrade the program by increasing the budget, I would want a coaching change as I don't think this group has the ability no matter how much money you give them. With finances the way they are, at least you know what you will get so status quo is fine with me.
I would like to answer your question with a question. What was the Lakers record Joey's final year? I believe you are right and they only won a couple games if any the first half of the year then they had a really good second half. Help me out with this, I think were one of the best teams in the league the second half. That is why I made my initial response in the first place but didn't want to get too confusing but since you brought it up I want to say that I had a couple players over at the house for dinner before the playoffs that year. The players were Chad Nehring, John Scrymgour, Pat Englis, and Pat Aubrey. We were talking about how well the team was doing the second half. They all said that Joey Shawhan was only at a couple of games the first half of the year and never missed a game the second half. Each of them said he had that much impact on the team's performance. They even said that they thought Jim was a better coach when Joey Shawhan was around.
Why don't we just end this topic. like I said, nobody posted for over a week so I tried it with just a a three word message that is headed in the wrong direction. Go Lakers.
 
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DM2SM said:
Sorry again Bill. Since you and I are the only ones on here I would be better off to just call you with my comments. Obviously I am not very good at this stuff. Maybe I should give up.
Let me try to be specific. You probably know as well as I do that the players thought the world of Joey and believed in him as a coach. They have not finished as high in the standings or made Joe Louis since he left. I am completely talking about the product on the ice.

I have no comment on the recruiting other than that my feeling is that the players have gotten better each year under Jim Roque but the performance stays nearly the same as does their place in the standings. I don't want to open that can of worms because if I say the assistant coaches that have worked for Jim Roque are better recruiters than Frank Anzalone had then that means I am saying that Jim Roque did not recruit well for Frank. i think the players come to play for the head coach not the assistants so I'll give Coach Roque credit for the recruiting. not Joey Shawhan or any other assistant coach. He deserves that. Does that clear things up?
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I think we're on the same page. Based upon this and your subsequent post, you feel that Joe Shawhan was contributing positively from a coaching standpoint, including the technique things he was helping the players with, making Jim Roque a better bench coach, and perhaps also from a motivational perspective. That's what I thought you were getting at and I think you've confirmed that.

No, I didn't know what the players thought of Joe. I don't live very close to the Soo, so I don't get a good feel for what is going on behind the scenes. I normally only make it up to see them play for a couple of series a season. I do catch at least parts of most of the games on the Internet broadcast as well as occasionally catching the Monday Laker Hockey Show and Wednesday Inside Laker Hockey podcasts, but you don't get much inside info from those sources.

This thread does get pretty quiet during the off season, but there a few of us that still check it on occasion so feel free to bring up any Laker topics you would like to discuss. Welcome aboard.
 
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If the concensus is that Joey Shawn was a better on-ice coach than a recruiter, he was in the wrong program. It is imperative that both assistant coaches are VERY effective on the recruiting trails. The success of the Lakers on the ice is directly porportional to the coaches bringing in solid, teachable talent. Let's face it, the true blue chipper is most probably going elsewhere, unless, of course, his older brother is an assistant coach (Brian Rolston). Sault Ste. Marie is a tough place to get players to want to come to and without a superior recruiting effort, many/most will go elsewhere.
 
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FRICKER said:
If the concensus is that Joey Shawn was a better on-ice coach than a recruiter, he was in the wrong program. It is imperative that both assistant coaches are VERY effective on the recruiting trails. The success of the Lakers on the ice is directly porportional to the coaches bringing in solid, teachable talent. Let's face it, the true blue chipper is most probably going elsewhere, unless, of course, his older brother is an assistant coach (Brian Rolston). Sault Ste. Marie is a tough place to get players to want to come to and without a superior recruiting effort, many/most will go elsewhere.
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I don't think anyone is saying that. DM2SM is simply saying that in his opinion the Lakers would be performing better if Joe Shawhan was still around as an assistant coach. I think he's saying that the players responded better to what the coaches were trying to get them to do when Joe was around. If we can agree that the player talent level has been slowly increasing through recruiting, Joe Shawhan should get some of the credit for that, but only part of it.
 
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Unless Joe Shawan can magically create a center who can score 20 goals amongst 40 points, it really doesn't matter what his other skills may or may not be. In my opinion, this year's Laker team was missing a top-line center who can put up 40 points. Now, obviously, every college hockey team wants a 40-point center. But I promise you, this Laker team was pretty solid throughout the roster. The defense and goaltending (KK got tired at the end) were respectable. What this team needs -- What its needed for fifteen years -- is a star on the forward lines. Just my opinion. I don't know where Joe Shawan suddenly changes that fact. All things being equal, without a top-line go-to player, arguing that a different assistant coach can somehow get more from the roster is rather dubious.
 
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DM2SM said:
Sorry Bill I was commenting on the quote by aparch.

I was supporting his statement that Coach Roque's system was what got the team to the Joe in his second year as coach. Then I was offering an opinion as to his question of what happened since then. I think what has happened since then is that Joey Shawhan left. I think that had an impact. Some probably think not so much but I think the Lakers have better players than they did when Coach Roque took over and I think most agree. So why the results? Two of the coaches have not changed and one has from the team that won over twenty games in Coach Roque's first year and earned a trip to Joe Louis Arena in Coach Roque's second year.
I think the big difference is that Joey Shawhan left. Had he stayed I think Coach Roque would have a much better record than he does. I also think the addition of Doug LaPrade this year had a positive impact. Just an opinion, not intended to start trouble.
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I think the team did improve this past season because of a couple of reasons: 1) the talent has improved and 2) the addition of LaPrade. I am still not a Roque fan; however in my mind LaPrade must have contributed something to the team to help them improve their record.
 
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DM2SM said:
I'll give you that. I see how this stuff works. I was Just answering a comment with an opinion. Nobody posted for over a week and I was catching up and thought it would be a good time to try this. Have always wanted to. Let me answer your comment though. First of all, I am not trying to start a coaching change topic. I go to watch the team not the coach. I understand why people would want a change and I understand why the administration would not. I am fine with how things are. my expectations are not high. If a decision was made to try and upgrade the program by increasing the budget, I would want a coaching change as I don't think this group has the ability no matter how much money you give them. With finances the way they are, at least you know what you will get so status quo is fine with me.
I would like to answer your question with a question. What was the Lakers record Joey's final year? I believe you are right and they only won a couple games if any the first half of the year then they had a really good second half. Help me out with this, I think were one of the best teams in the league the second half. That is why I made my initial response in the first place but didn't want to get too confusing but since you brought it up I want to say that I had a couple players over at the house for dinner before the playoffs that year. The players were Chad Nehring, John Scrymgour, Pat Englis, and Pat Aubrey. We were talking about how well the team was doing the second half. They all said that Joey Shawhan was only at a couple of games the first half of the year and never missed a game the second half. Each of them said he had that much impact on the team's performance. They even said that they thought Jim was a better coach when Joey Shawhan was around.
Why don't we just end this topic. like I said, nobody posted for over a week so I tried it with just a a three word message that is headed in the wrong direction. Go Lakers.
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The 2007-2008 record was 9-18-7. The second half record was 7-7-4, so there was a large improvement in the second half.
 
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