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LSSU Hockey 2011-2012

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RE: Roque and AD Dunbar . . . good question. I don't have an answer. Like I said, Dunbar wants whats best for LSSU. My first blush thoughts are perhaps opposite of what you might think. I tend to think Roque would be on a shorter leash with a non-hockey AD -- because the non-hockey AD is free to look only at results: Wins, Losses, attendance, grade point averages. A hockey-immersed AD might have a quicker trigger because he/she might think they know better than the coach vis-a-vis lineup choices, strategy choices, recruiting choices, practice choices, etc . . . .

The non-hockey trained AD would tend to defer to the coach on all those matters, and instead focus on the bottom line.

And based on the contracts and relationship, it appears Dunbar is satisfied, if not 100% pleased, with Roque's work over the past two years.

The team is winning, its well behaved, and it represents the University in a good light on the road and in the community.
Perhaps it was my choice of words (lease vs leash), but if I understand you correctly, I think we're both saying a hockey oriented AD might be inclined to cut Roque loose more quickly based upon team performance than a non-hockey oriented AD like Dunbar. Or maybe we're not saying the same thing. I'm a bit confused by your post. In one sentence you say you think a non-hockey AD would have him on a shorter leash, and the next sentence you say you think a hockey AD would have a quicker trigger. Isn't Roque on only a one year contract extension? He may be unhappy about that, which may have contributed to his applying for the Clarkson job last Summer. Assuming it is a one year contract, I wonder if there are any performance goals in it that the team needs to meet (e.g. Get to the Joe and/or the NCAA tournament) in order for Roque to keep his job?
 
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Anzalone:
01-02: 8-27-2 (.243)
02-03: 6-28-4 (.211)
03-04: 9-20-7 (.347)
04-05: 9-22-7 (.329)


100-122-44 in almost seven seasons under the current administration with no finishes in the top half of the standings. You sure know how to pick a winner Coach Lakerblue. You people are getting more rediculous every day.

The Truth Is Out There....
TBA
 
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Perhaps it was my choice of words (lease vs leash), but if I understand you correctly, I think we're both saying a hockey oriented AD might be inclined to cut Roque loose more quickly based upon team performance than a non-hockey oriented AD like Dunbar. Or maybe we're not saying the same thing. I'm a bit confused by your post. In one sentence you say you think a non-hockey AD would have him on a shorter leash, and the next sentence you say you think a hockey AD would have a quicker trigger. Isn't Roque on only a one year contract extension? He may be unhappy about that, which may have contributed to his applying for the Clarkson job last Summer. Assuming it is a one year contract, I wonder if there are any performance goals in it that the team needs to meet (e.g. Get to the Joe and/or the NCAA tournament) in order for Roque to keep his job?

Bill, I think we are saying the same thing. Maybe. Dunbar is looking at the bottom line, so Roque keeps getting contract extensions -- but short extensions because, lets be honest, although the team is improving we still haven't graced the ice at the Joe in many years, and haven't sniffed an NCAA birth. So the team is improving, winning a few more games, and the team is well behaved and well respected. He gets a small contract instead of a 6-7 year deal. (Also, not to be overlooked: Let's assume Dunbar is very, very pleased with the Coach and wants him to stay long-term. Dunbar (and everyone) knows that LSSU is not a wealthy school, and therefore it is unlikely that anyone in a results-orientated position is going to get a long contract, because the school would not be in a position to buy out that contract).

A hockey person, conversely, might well have fired Roque two years ago. There were times in Roques first half of his tenure when the team's talent level was quite low, and the team's on ice-performances were horrible -- actually worse than horrible -- they were games and game-plans that were boring and meaningless. Lots and lots of boring and meaningless games where the players seem to just chop up and down the ice with little plan (or little hope of executing the plan). And before last season, I thought it was a good chance Roque would not be brought back. If a hockey-based AD was watching the same team on the ice as myself -- I fully expected a change.

I was watching bad hockey being played by overmatched players. Roque recruited many of those guys, and coached them, and put together the game plan. Anyone with a decent level of hockey knowledge was unimpressed. I think a hockey-based-AD would've pulled the plug and brought in a new coach before the start of last season. Dunbar, however, believed the team was improving, and stuck with her Coach.

The results of Dunbar's support: In the past two years Roque has rewarded the University, so far, with a significant uptick in talent, and solid game-plans executed in front of good goaltending. So now my opinion is that both the non-hockey-based AD and the hockey-based personnel should all be relatively pleased with the direction of the program.

But let me say this -- it can all fall apart in nine days if the Lakers fall flat against Western and Northern. They can easily end up in 9th place, despite the thrills of this season.

Then we have a funny turn around: My hockey mind tells me you keep the coach because the on-ice product is good. The non-hockey mind says: Another 9th place finish, another no-show-at-theJoe. And then what happens?
 
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Bill, I think we are saying the same thing. Maybe. Dunbar is looking at the bottom line, so Roque keeps getting contract extensions -- but short extensions because, lets be honest, although the team is improving we still haven't graced the ice at the Joe in many years, and haven't sniffed an NCAA birth. So the team is improving, winning a few more games, and the team is well behaved and well respected. He gets a small contract instead of a 6-7 year deal. (Also, not to be overlooked: Let's assume Dunbar is very, very pleased with the Coach and wants him to stay long-term. Dunbar (and everyone) knows that LSSU is not a wealthy school, and therefore it is unlikely that anyone in a results-orientated position is going to get a long contract, because the school would not be in a position to buy out that contract).

A hockey person, conversely, might well have fired Roque two years ago. There were times in Roques first half of his tenure when the team's talent level was quite low, and the team's on ice-performances were horrible -- actually worse than horrible -- they were games and game-plans that were boring and meaningless. Lots and lots of boring and meaningless games where the players seem to just chop up and down the ice with little plan (or little hope of executing the plan). And before last season, I thought it was a good chance Roque would not be brought back. If a hockey-based AD was watching the same team on the ice as myself -- I fully expected a change.

I was watching bad hockey being played by overmatched players. Roque recruited many of those guys, and coached them, and put together the game plan. Anyone with a decent level of hockey knowledge was unimpressed. I think a hockey-based-AD would've pulled the plug and brought in a new coach before the start of last season. Dunbar, however, believed the team was improving, and stuck with her Coach.

The results of Dunbar's support: In the past two years Roque has rewarded the University, so far, with a significant uptick in talent, and solid game-plans executed in front of good goaltending. So now my opinion is that both the non-hockey-based AD and the hockey-based personnel should all be relatively pleased with the direction of the program.

But let me say this -- it can all fall apart in nine days if the Lakers fall flat against Western and Northern. They can easily end up in 9th place, despite the thrills of this season.

Then we have a funny turn around: My hockey mind tells me you keep the coach because the on-ice product is good. The non-hockey mind says: Another 9th place finish, another no-show-at-theJoe. And then what happens?
I agree the on ice product is better this season, but I wonder how long you stick with the coach when we're not getting to the Joe nor are we making any NCAA appearances. I don't have any illusions about it being the way it used to be from the mid 80s to mid 90s, but there should be some measure of performance for a coach. Is an occasional .500 (or slightly better) season enough? It might be better to wait until the end of the season and revisit this subject. The standings are so close and there is so much parity in the CCHA this season that a lot can change over the next few weeks.
 
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I agree the on ice product is better this season, but I wonder how long you stick with the coach when we're not getting to the Joe nor are we making any NCAA appearances. I don't have any illusions about it being the way it used to be from the mid 80s to mid 90s, but there should be some measure of performance for a coach. Is an occasional .500 (or slightly better) season enough? It might be better to wait until the end of the season and revisit this subject. The standings are so close and there is so much parity in the CCHA this season that a lot can change over the next few weeks.

I agree totally. The next four games will show us quite a bit. And they can still finish anyplace between 2nd to 9th.
 
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I agree totally. The next four games will show us quite a bit. And they can still finish anyplace between 2nd to 9th.

Looking at this year's performances I was wondering what your thoughts were to the two off ice changes this season. 1.) A short term contract for Roque. 2.) The addition of Doug Laprade as a new assistant coach.
 
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Looking at this year's performances I was wondering what your thoughts were to the two off ice changes this season. 1.) A short term contract for Roque. 2.) The addition of Doug Laprade as a new assistant coach.



I hope I'm not barging into a two person only exchange, but I like the addition of Doug Laprade to the staff. My conclusions are pure speculation, based only on social interactions with him, and observations of him as the coach of Sault High. I think he will be an excellent recruiter. He is intelligent, sincere, and charismatic. He would be good with parents and players. As a coach he is known to be very passionate at times, not afraid to call out players or challenge officials. The resignation of Coach Metro was a loss, but I believe they have found a more than adequate replacement.

I doubt a short term contract for Coach Roque has any impact, except perhaps a negative one on recruiting. I don't know if other programs would use that as a negative in head to head battles for players. I don't get the impression the Lakers are involved in too many of those anyway. As far as considering a short term contract motivational for Coach Roque, I doubt its effectiveness. I have a hard time believing he hasn't been trying his best prior to this season. Primarily it's utility is in saving the department some money if the relationship doesn't work out.
 
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Doesn't matter, the good ole boys up in your little town will defend him to the end and if that isn't enough the "unnamed donor group" with deep pockets for that project to paint the empty seats will be enough to keep him around forever. His 7-year track record of losing seasons, lower division finishes every year soon to be this year, crowds now more common to be in the low thousands, star players suddenly off the team, the situation with Raven, assistant coaches, league reprimands, incidents with officials, would suggest that something is shielding him from his actual track record It is truly who you know up there at your little college and you people on here and your vitriol for anyone that dares question anything are the main defenders. I am done wasting my time on here with you people.

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA


Sometimes only Bob Dylan can find the right words:

Idiot wind.
Blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe,
Its a wonder that you still know how to breathe.
 
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We'll see how bad they want a top 5 finish and a first round bye.
 
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The offense is just too inconsistent. Generally if you can score 3 (or more) goals, you have a pretty good chance to win. Score less and your winning percentage drops dramatically. Yes you can win 1-0 and 2-1 games, but you can't count on a lot of those. 3 goals seems to be the magic number you need to strive for.
 
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What the hell happened to the penalty killing? It's been horrendous the past three games. Also the offense is MIA again, it can't depend on K2 to stand on his head every game.
 
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A couple of observations from tonight’s game.

1) It is a shame the officials don't put forth the same effort as the kids playing the game. a) Westerns first power play goal should never have happened; it occurred in front of us and there was no boarding. Pretty sad when the ref from across the rink makes the call; not the ref who was watching the play. b) In the third period the mugging of, I believe MacPharland, in the offensive end was terrible. It seems I see the same complaints on other threads also about officiating. The NCAA/CCHA should be ashamed of itself for the quality of their officials. Having said that, you have to play the cards you are dealt; their penalty killing should have been better.

2) The Lakers couldn't catch a break. I know I counted 3 different times the puck was on the porch all by itself and they just couldn't get it to go any further.

Unfortunately it was not to be tonight. Reload and give em double hockey sticks tomorrow night.
 
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Dopeybaker.........I don't think it's a but as much a matter of who the coach is, but facing the reality of the extreme difficulty of recruiting blue chipper student/athelets to a small school in the
northcountry of the UP. Before the NCAA Clearinghouse, it was possible to admit blue chip players who were not Dean's List students. Unless you are the Wolverines and know how to sneak players past the Clearinghouse, that option is "long gone". If LSSU gets an administartion that agrees to "severley bend" the admission criteria and take risks on student/athletes other schools won't admit, unfortunately, they a destined towards medioricty.
 
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The Lakers are playing below 500 in league play,could still finished 9th,and you actually have people on here believing this is a good season. Lakers need 3 wins now or it's just another season near the bottom and a 9th place prediction at the next CCHA media day come September.
 
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The Lakers are playing below 500 in league play,could still finished 9th,and you actually have people on here believing this is a good season. Lakers need 3 wins now or it's just another season near the bottom and a 9th place prediction at the next CCHA media day come September.
If they win tonight and split at Northern, they'll probably finish somewhere between 5th and 7th. If they lose tonight, there will definitely be a lot of pressure on them to get at least a split at Northern, otherwise they will probably finish 9th. I think there is pressure on them (or at least Roque) now to avoid losing their last 3 games, because that could very well cost Roque his job unless they got hot in the CCHA tournament and made it to the Joe.
 
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I think there is pressure on them (or at least Roque) now to avoid losing their last 3 games, because that could very well cost Roque his job unless they got hot in the CCHA tournament and made it to the Joe.

It doesn't matter if they finish 8th or 9th AGAIN, under this administration. It doesn't matter if there are league reprimands, players cut from the roster for no reason, goaltenders not seeing a minute of ice time after being promised the world, barely 2000 people in the rink for your big weekend series up there, actual playoff crowds in the hundreds, average attendance going down every year, excuses, blame, throwing players and legendary coaches under the bus, and the same old tired excuses and vitriol on here, the truth is the good ole boys up in your little town and the donors that are promising all this paint for the empty seats and other renovations of that Norris Center want this adminstration in and they will stay there no matter what happens you people can't tell me it is based on job performace you are only fooling yourshelves.

The Truth Is Out There.....
TBA
 
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If they win tonight and split at Northern, they'll probably finish somewhere between 5th and 7th. If they lose tonight, there will definitely be a lot of pressure on them to get at least a split at Northern, otherwise they will probably finish 9th. I think there is pressure on them (or at least Roque) now to avoid losing their last 3 games, because that could very well cost Roque his job unless they got hot in the CCHA tournament and made it to the Joe.


Bill, the fact that he applied for the Clarkson job and the inconsistant play of his teams makes me think you may be right. Coach may need a very strong finish to keep his job.
 
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Bill, the fact that he applied for the Clarkson job and the inconsistant play of his teams makes me think you may be right. Coach may need a very strong finish to keep his job.

I think that he applied for the Clarkson job due to the budget issues at LSSU.
 
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